8 Black Youths Convicted of Hate Crime

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">A judge Friday found that eight black teenagers beat three white women in Long Beach out of racial hatred, ending a divisive trial that was muddled by conflicting testimony and accusations of witness intimidation.

    Judge Gibson Lee upheld nearly all of the prosecution's counts in a case that roiled this diverse city with its core allegation: that nine girls and a boy visited a well-to-do part of Long Beach on Halloween night and beat three women to the ground because they were white.

    Lee threw out the case against the youngest defendant, a girl who turned 12 the night before the attack. The testimony linking her to the crime was a single statement that she was "throwing newspapers around at the girls." Another was convicted of the assault but not of a hate crime.

    On the courthouse steps, Deputy Dist. Atty. Brian Schirn, who supervised the case, said the victory was not something to cheer about.

    "Today is not a happy day," he said. "The victims still have to undergo physical, emotional treatment. I feel sorry for everybody. There are no winners."

    Defense attorney Frank Williams Jr. said he was "perplexed" by Lee's ruling. The defense lawyers and the youths' families contend that authorities prosecuted the wrong people in a rush to resolve the highly charged case.

    "I thought the judge would make a much more reasoned decision about my client, who was not identified by any of the victims," he said.

    Those convicted were eight females a 13-year-old, two 14-year-olds, two 16-year-olds, a 17-year-old and two 18-year-olds and an 18-year-old male. The oldest defendants were tried as juveniles because they were 17 when the crimes occurred.

    Handcuffed to their chairs, the defendants broke down as Lee read the rulings. Nine were convicted of felony assault, eight with a hate-crime enhancement. For four of the nine, the conviction will count as a first strike under California's three-strikes law, which mandates a life term for a third felony conviction if the first two were for "serious" or "violent" felonies.

    One girl cradled another's head. A 13-year-old girl buried her face in her gray Juvenile Hall sweat shirt and sobbed. Their parents' mouths hung open in disbelief.

    "His mind was made up," said the mother of a 16-year-old girl, who will have a strike. "The judge was under pressure. He took the way out that makes him look good. He took the cowardly way."

    The three victims Loren Hyman, 21; Laura Schneider, 19; and Michelle Smith, 19 sat together in the front row, showing no emotion at the verdicts. Concerned about their security, they later went to "safe places" for the weekend without making public comment, said Doug Otto, their civil attorney.

    "They're gratified that their version of what occurred seems to be vindicated by the court's decision," Otto said. "They feel that justice is beginning to be done in this case."

    Otto said all three women felt victimized again by some of the comments that defendants' supporters made during the contentious trial. "There's not a scintilla of evidence that they provoked these things," he said.

    After the verdicts, families of the accused converged at a North Long Beach church to address the media. They have said that their children were present when the attack occurred but did not participate in the beatings.

    "I was walking out of the court and they were crying, 'Mama,' and I couldn't do nothing," said the mother of four of the defendants, including the girl who was cleared in the case.

    She said her children work hard, do their homework and are not allowed to watch TV during the week. Going out on Halloween "was a treat for them."

    The news conference ended with sobs and a woman screaming, "Oh, my God, they took my baby."

    Lee said he will hear Wednesday how the attack has affected the victims' lives, before setting a sentencing date. Judges, not juries, decide all cases in Juvenile Court.

    The defendants, who have spent 87 days in custody, could receive penalties ranging from probation to commitment to a California Youth Authority prison until they are 25. They have no criminal records. Given that, defense attorneys say the most likely sentence would be three to nine months in a county probation camp.
    Two other boys, arrested separately from the 10, will go on trial later for the assaults.

    The incident had ignited outrage in Long Beach since it was first reported in a front-page Press-Telegram article that labeled it "a horrific hate crime" and quoted the victims as comparing the culprits to "a pack of hyenas." Residents of Bixby Knolls expressed a range of emotions: Some railed against political leaders for not quickly addressing their fears; others urged that the case not be prejudged.

    As the case went to trial, it resonated beyond Long Beach, generating heated discussion on talk radio and drawing national media attention. City officials called for unity and held numerous meetings to ease racial tensions. The court proceeding often did little to dampen the emotion, but rather demonstrated how messy the workings of the justice system can be.

    Prosecutors had to make sense of pandemonium that night, proving who, on a darkened street with hundreds of people, joined a mob of about 30 that took part in the beating, and what their motivations were.

    Because the law requires juveniles to go to trial within 15 court days of their arraignment unless they are released from custody, the district attorney's office had to build its case in three weeks.

    Deputy Dist. Atty. Andrea Bouas relied on victim Hyman and an eyewitness, Kiana Alford, to describe how the defendants attacked the three young women because they were white.

    Hyman testified that she and her two friends were at Bixby Road and Linden Avenue where hundreds of people are drawn every year by elaborate Halloween displays when a black male in a crowd began to sexually taunt her.

    Hyman said that the women ignored the jibes but that the crowd grew angry. Someone yelled, "I hate white people," as others began to pelt the women with small pumpkins and lemons, Hyman testified. As the trio tried to walk away up Linden, the mob grabbed them and began to pummel them.

    Hyman suffered multiple fractures in her nose and around her eye, and will require surgery to reposition her eye. Schneider was knocked unconscious and probably suffered a concussion. Smith's injuries were not detailed in court, but Otto said her lung was bruised.

    On the stand, Alford reconstructed the incident in detail, describing who in the scrum punched and kicked which victim, even who threw lemons and pumpkins at them.

    Under cross-examination, however, she said she was 175 to 300 feet away during the attack, watching over her shoulder and in her rearview mirror. She also conceded that it was too dark to make out what individuals were doing. And her companion that night, called by the defense, testified that they arrived after the beating was over.

    The defendants, who had gone to Bixby Knolls as a group to trick-or-treat, were arrested after having left the scene in two red cars. The defense attorneys attacked the way police conducted the identifications, telling Alford and Hyman they had caught the attackers before showing them the suspects and never testing the witnesses' memories with lineups that included non-suspects. The attorneys played 911 tapes that described the attackers as male.

    But the prosecution had two pieces of physical evidence to bolster the identifications. Hyman's cellphone was found in the car of one of the girls, and one girl had bloodstains on her pants.

    All manner of digressions and histrionics in the courtroom complicated the trial.

    The judge allowed witnesses to testify anonymously, then reversed himself three times. During her testimony, Alford's car was rammed in front of her home; prosecutors said it was witness intimidation. In open court Bouas blamed defense attorneys for witness intimidation. A deputy public defender repeatedly accused Bouas of misconduct and asked for mistrials. Bouas accused the defendants of being gang members. The judge spoke so softly that attorneys often spoke over him.

    As the trial plodded on, the 10 defendants passed notes, braided each other's hair and occasionally giggled at bits of testimony, such as when a probation officer listed the contents of one girl's pocket: 15 cents.

    The defendants know one another through school, family and participation in track and field. A 17-year-old girl is a nationally recognized runner who represented the U.S. at a championship meet in Beijing in August and was being courted by USC. Another attends Cal State Long Beach on a track scholarship.

    The families said they plan to appeal the convictions.</div>

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lb...ines-california

    I figured I'd post this. If this was a white on black hate crime it would be all over the news. This is absolutely disgusting. 8 youths beat 3 white women. How more cowardly can you get?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lb...ines-california

    I figured I'd post this. If this was a white on black hate crime it would be all over the news. This is absolutely disgusting. 8 youths beat 3 white women. How more cowardly can you get?</div>

    Well, only one of the "youths" was a man, right? He's the truly cowardly ************, and I hope he gets life, especially given the age of the girls who were assaulted.
     
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    It's bullshit that they didn't try these people as adults, at least the ones that were 16 and 17. There is no difference between a 17 year old and an 18 year old.

    I agree with you, I really wish the eldest male would've gotten a life sentence, such a coward. How the hell do you attack three woman, no matter what race, who are defenseless. Racist assholes.
     
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    That's just plain terrible. What a bunch of assholes.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If this was a white on black hate crime it would be all over the news.</div>
    Don't know why you brought that up.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Don't know why you brought that up.</div>

    Cause it's true.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That's just plain terrible. What a bunch of assholes.


    Don't know why you brought that up.</div>

    Because it's true, like Carter said.
     
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    It's true, because white-on-black hate crimes are more frequent and a bigger problem than black-on-white hate crimes. There's no racist motivations behind it or anything.

    I had heard about this before, anyways. And the article itself said that the case was getting considerable publicity throughout the city.
     
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    That's the thing, throughout the city. A white on black hate crime makes headlines throughout the nation.
     
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    Anytime a man touches a woman it's pretty sad, this especially is horrible and cowardly.

    But why even bring up the race thing? White on black hate crimes get more attention because its such a sensitive issue after white people have abused the rights of blacks for years and years in America. But who cares what gets national headlines or not? Why does it matter?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Anytime a man touches a woman it's pretty sad, this especially is horrible and cowardly.

    But why even bring up the race thing? White on black hate crimes get more attention because its such a sensitive issue after white people have abused the rights of blacks for years and years in America. But who cares what gets national headlines or not? Why does it matter?</div>

    Why does it matter? It subconsciously makes people form generalizations about races. The media is a very powerful tool. Whoever controls the media controls the mind.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Why does it matter? It subconsciously makes people form generalizations about races. The media is a very powerful tool. Whoever controls the media controls the mind.</div>

    I wonder what percentage of white people there are in the national media?

    I won't even get into it with you, we all saw what happened to the last person that tried to.
     
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    Hmm. Black men are getting killed every day and barely make regional headlines. If a white woman is killed, especially if she has blonde hair, the case becomes a national sensation!

    And as far as teenagers of 14, their brain is not fully developed yet to a point where they can realize the FULL consequences of their actions. Therefore you have to give them SOME slack and put them in a juvenile center. Giving anyone in my opinion of 16 or younger a felony conviction is messed up. You're giving up on this person while there is still a good shot of rehabilitation.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I wonder what percentage of white people there are in the national media?

    I won't even get into it with you, we all saw what happened to the last person that tried to.</div>

    My response has nothing to do with race but rather your comment -

    "But who cares what gets national headlines or not? Why does it matter?"

    I told you why it mattered. Get over yourself.

    And Skillz was banned because of the way he conducted himself in a debate with me, not because he debated me. He relied on personal attacks and inappropriate language to try to offend me, because he couldn't make a logical point. If you do that, you'll be tossed out just like he was.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">My response has nothing to do with race but rather your comment -

    "But who cares what gets national headlines or not? Why does it matter?"

    I told you why it mattered. Get over yourself.

    And Skillz was banned because of the way he conducted himself in a debate with me, not because he debated me. He relied on personal attacks and inappropriate language to try to offend me, because he couldn't make a logical point. If you do that, you'll be tossed out just like he was.</div>
    I'm all over myself aren't I?

    Look a crime is a crime, there are much bigger things to worry about then who gets the national media stories. The media is prodominately ran by white people so it's not like there is any discrimination when it comes to media coverage.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Look a crime is a crime, there are much bigger things to worry about then who gets the national media stories.</div>

    No, because like I said, that's a very important subject. The way someone is portrayed in the media controls the public's perception of them. What's so hard to understand about that?
     
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    Voodoo Child, heads up man you come off really hostile sometimes with quotes like "get over yourself". This is a website man. I think some of you guys take the "rules" a bit too seriously. And don't respond angrily, I'm saying this with good intentions. You guys cannot expect to allow people to post an article about a race-related hate crime and then NOT allow people to argue about passionately, that is unrealistic. If you don't like people like Air Fresh saying "the media is white" or whatever, then don't allow political postings. Postings are always going to generate a little bit of trash talk or strong opinions or what have you.
    I think you guys powertrip for the sake of it, not shapecity but some of the other "leaders" or whatever title you have given yourselves[​IMG] .
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No, because like I said, that's a very important subject. The way someone is portrayed in the media controls the public's perception of them. What's so hard to understand about that?</div>

    So the media percieves white people as a bunch of hate criminals?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's true, because white-on-black hate crimes are more frequent and a bigger problem than black-on-white hate crimes.</div>

    Not true at all there, bro. In Europe white on black hate crimes are more frequent, but in the US there is far more racial hatred towards whites from blacks now then vice versa. From where I grew up in a dominantly black neighborhood I had one black friend because he wasn't racist, the rest made fun of me or in some instances tried to kill me with a baseball bat or other weapon. Why? Well I kind of figure it is racial when six or seven 20-30 year old guys guys are chasing me down at 14 years old and screaming "come back here you white mother******** trash, we own you now!" What reason? Well I would just be walking home from a store so I suppose I made them mad for walking places.

    [​IMG]

    How frequent is this type of thing with racism against whites happen in the US? Happens often, usually discarded by the news and media because it really isn't all that important. Whatever causes an uproar will be broadcasted. It brings in the cash. When I asked a black Reverend at a church I used to go to about how to deal with these situations of hatred he said it was my fault for all the hatred my ancestors put on black people over generations. So it was my fault these guys were trying to kill me? How is that may I ask when my family were mostly massacred in World War II over in Europe?

    Anyway the topic of this thread is sad, but this type of thing happens often, usually ending worse. Many people here have a lot to learn still about the world. Racial problems are still more of an issue for black people worldwide, but again, in the US it is now worse for whites and even other races. Believe what you want, but you have to experience it and see it to believe it. I pity those of you that rely on your information from what the television is giving you.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Not true at all there, bro. In Europe white on black hate crimes are more frequent, but in the US there is far more racial hatred towards whites from blacks now then vice versa. From where I grew up in a dominantly black neighborhood I had one black friend because he wasn't racist, the rest made fun of me or in some instances tried to kill me with a baseball bat or other weapon. Why? Well I kind of figure it is racial when six or seven 20-30 year old guys guys are chasing me down at 14 years old and screaming "come back here you white mother******** trash, we own you now!" What reason? Well I would just be walking home from a store so I suppose I made them mad for walking places.

    [​IMG]

    How frequent is this type of thing with racism against whites happen in the US? Happens often, usually discarded by the news and media because it really isn't all that important. Whatever causes an uproar will be broadcasted. It brings in the cash. When I asked a black Reverend at a church I used to go to about how to deal with these situations of hatred he said it was my fault for all the hatred my ancestors put on black people over generations. So it was my fault these guys were trying to kill me? How is that may I ask when my family were mostly massacred in World War II over in Europe?

    Anyway the topic of this thread is sad, but this type of thing happens often, usually ending worse. Many people here have a lot to learn still about the world. Racial problems are still more of an issue for black people worldwide, but again, in the US it is now worse for whites and even other races. Believe what you want, but you have to experience it and see it to believe it. I pity those of you that rely on your information from what the television is giving you.</div>

    Is there any statistical backing for that?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So the media percieves white people as a bunch of hate criminals?</div>

    Yes, I think they do. They know they can sell their papers or raises their ratings when it's a white on black hate crime, because black people make a big stir about it. Black people riot, they protest. They overreact. White people? When was the last time you saw white people get unruly over a hate crime? When was the last time, before this, that you saw white people as the victims of hate crimes?
     

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