<div class="quote_poster">Fiyah Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i am pretty upset right now... spent three hundred on tickets... bought a plane ticket to new york... and they suspend kobe for what!? i could not be more pissed right now</div> Start the David Stern Sucks chants!
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I got the impression that the NBA's trying to address the accusations that more lenient officiating is given to superstar guards, by targeting one of the more villified stars in the league. The explanation, in particular, was pretty ridiculous:</div> Then I love how the NBA is using Kobe Bryant as an example
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I just find it interesting for people saying Kobe did it on purpose and knew what he was doing, when the person he hit, Gino, and the Spurs coach, Popovich both agreed it was just an accident. If it didn't bother the person who was hit, why should it even be brought up?</div> Maybe because Poppovich and Manu are classy people? And they know better than to start problems? What good would whining about the play do and saying Kobe did it ON PURPOSE, when in fact, they don't know for sure? Of COURSE pop and Gino are going to say that! C'mon shapecity. That's obvious. I agree with what Stu said 100%. Although, to be honest, all I wanted was a technical foul or a flagrant called during the game. Or at the VERY LEAST a foul. A suspension I'm not too sure about. But since Kobe flopped majorly, he can deal with it.
<div class="quote_poster">Fiyah Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i am pretty upset right now... spent three hundred on tickets... bought a plane ticket to new york... and they suspend kobe for what!? i could not be more pissed right now</div> That sucks. This punishment isn't really hurting Kobe or the Lakers, since they should be favored to beat the Knicks regardless. It only hurts the fans in New York. But the NBA doesn't (and shouldn't) hand out punishments based on such considerations. Edit: Er, nevermind. Tough break for the Lakers.
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe because Poppovich and Manu are classy people? And they know better than to start problems? What good would whining about the play do and saying Kobe did it ON PURPOSE, when in fact, they don't know for sure? Of COURSE pop and Gino are going to say that! C'mon shapecity. That's obvious. I agree with what Stu said 100%. Although, to be honest, all I wanted was a technical foul or a flagrant called during the game. Or at the VERY LEAST a foul. A suspension I'm not too sure about. But since Kobe flopped majorly, he can deal with it.</div> How do you know it was on purpose? Both Manu and Poppovich denied it was intentional. Who are you to say they were just being classy people and just denying the fact? How do you know? Can you read minds? Also, on Kobe?s last second shot, he wasn?t attempting a set shot, he was going for a fadeaway. Usually when you follow through from a fadeaway, your arms will go towards the side. Trust me. I?ve seen Kobe play billions of times, and everytime he attempts a fadeaway, his arms will always drop to the side for the follow through (usually).
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How do you know it was on purpose? Both Manu and Poppovich denied it was intentional. Who are you to say they were just being classy people and just denying the fact? How do you know? Can you read minds? Also, on Kobe?s last second shot, he wasn?t attempting a set shot, he was going for a fadeaway. Usually when you follow through from a fadeaway, your arms will go towards the side. Trust me. I?ve seen Kobe play billions of times, and everytime he attempts a fadeaway, his arms will always drop to the side for the follow through (usually).</div> His arm didn't drop. It was a stiff arm whack to Ginobili's face. I don't think he intentionally tried to hurt him, but he probably did want to prevent him from getting the loose ball.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">His arm didn't drop. It was a stiff arm whack to Ginobili's face. I don't think he intentionally tried to hurt him, but he probably did want to prevent him from getting the loose ball.</div> Well, yeah. Kobe got his shot blocked in the last seconds of the 4th quarter, so he was trying to get the lose ball and maybe heave it up for a desperation shot. I don't think there really is any evidence to prove he did it intentionally
Yea, I don't think the motion that occured was anything regular from the finishing of a shooting motion and it was a hard blow considering how Ginobli stayed down (with nothing to gain). I don't really think it was a flop on Ginobli's part. But hearing Kobe's response, and considering if a foul was called the Lakers would lose. I think it was unintentional. Considering it was only a 1 game suspension it doesn't seem to big a deal.
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, yeah. Kobe got his shot blocked in the last seconds of the 4th quarter, so he was trying to get the lose ball and maybe heave it up for a desperation shot. I don't think there really is any evidence to prove he did it intentionally</div> If Kobe was trying to keep Manu off the loose ball by using his arm, then he's responsible for the consequences. Even if he didn't intend to hit him in the face, he still flailed his arm in an irresponsible, unsafe manner. That's punishable. It's like the swinging elbows rule. If you swing your elbows and knock someone to the ground as a result, that's an automatic ejection. It doesn't matter if the contact was "unintentional".
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How do you know it was on purpose? Both Manu and Poppovich denied it was intentional. Who are you to say they were just being classy people and just denying the fact? How do you know? Can you read minds? Also, on Kobe’s last second shot, he wasn’t attempting a set shot, he was going for a fadeaway. Usually when you follow through from a fadeaway, your arms will go towards the side. Trust me. I’ve seen Kobe play billions of times, and everytime he attempts a fadeaway, his arms will always drop to the side for the follow through (usually).</div> I DON'T know for sure if it was on purpose (although personally I suspect it was). And neither do Gino and Pop. And that's why of course they are going to say it was unintentional. They can't just go blaming people and causing problems when they don't know for sure. You missed my point. And I'm not even going to reply to your 2nd part. Especially since in your next post you contradict yourself.
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I DON'T know for sure if it was on purpose (although personally I suspect it was). And neither do Gino and Pop. And that's why of course they are going to say it was unintentional. They can't just go blaming people and causing problems when they don't know for sure. You missed my point. And I'm not even going to reply to your 2nd part. Especially since in your next post you contradict yourself.</div> My bad. I was under the impression that you were positive Kobe intentionally hit Ginobli. I didn't read through your post clearly enough. I apologize
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I DON'T know for sure if it was on purpose (although personally I suspect it was). And neither do Gino and Pop. And that's why of course they are going to say it was unintentional. They can't just go blaming people and causing problems when they don't know for sure. You missed my point. And I'm not even going to reply to your 2nd part. Especially since in your next post you contradict yourself.</div> That's the point everyone is upset about. It's inconclusive whether Kobe intentionally swung his arm out or not. As a fan of the Utah Jazz, I'm sure you've seen plenty of Karl Malone elbows crack players in the face, and I don't ever recall Malone getting suspended. This is not the first time a person has been elbowed in the face this season. Yet the NBA decides to conveniently suspend Kobe. And again, just one Laker game ago, Lamar Odom delivered a worse elbow to Gerald Wallace and did not receive a suspension. All I want is consistency with the league rules. KG throws a ball and a punch and gets 1 game, Raja Bell clotheslines Kobe intentionally and premeditated and gets 1 game, Kobe elbows Gino (intentionally or unintentionally, no one knows for sure) and gets 1 game. Sorry, but the first two were far worse than what Kobe did.
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe because Poppovich and Manu are classy people? And they know better than to start problems? What good would whining about the play do and saying Kobe did it ON PURPOSE, when in fact, they don't know for sure? Of COURSE pop and Gino are going to say that! C'mon shapecity. That's obvious. I agree with what Stu said 100%. Although, to be honest, all I wanted was a technical foul or a flagrant called during the game. Or at the VERY LEAST a foul. A suspension I'm not too sure about. But since Kobe flopped majorly, he can deal with it.</div> So by your point of view, the NBA is acting without class since they created a problem. The majority of the media is in disbelief, Kobe's in disbelief, the entire Laker organization is in disbelief, Ginobili and the Spurs are in disbelief. The fans are in disbelief and the NBA product has been tarnished once again from the knee jerk reactions of the governing body of the NBA.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So by your point of view, the NBA is acting without class since they created a problem.</div> I was talking about Ginobili and Poppovich. They are in no position to make the call. Stu Jackson on the other hand.... it's his JOB to look at these things and to discipline the players. So he HAS to make a call. And, it appears he saw what I saw. The swing LOOKED unnatural and intentional. Like I said before...... I wanted a technical/flagrant or at LEAST a foul called. I agree that a 1 game suspension is not that fair when you take into account the punishments that other players have gotten for worse things. Like KG for instance. Yes, I've seen Malone throw plenty of elbows. I've also seen Shaq turn around when he's posting up and elbow Jarron Collins in the temple several times. I agree that the league has been inconsistent. But apparently what they are trying to do now is BE consistent and clean up the NBA somewhat. There has to be a starting point SOMEWHERE. We all know the game was more physical in the 80's etc. I am in no way agreeing with all their new rules though, and I am not saying they are doing a great job by any means.
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">ESPN Reaction: Invalid Video Link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYa_yyOEbu0</div> 2 Things in that video: I loved Phil's sarcasm in the beginning. and I laughed when the guy said the NBA has the best officials in sports. It is up in the air. That video said 2 possible scenarios that made sense. Kobe was trying to create space because he has just got blocked so he can get the ball, and he was trying to do a "Reggie Miller". Another thing to factor in is the fact that he was blocked. The force he used to shoot the ball was stopped from the block so it could have carried through when Manu's period in which he got the block ended.
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ref should have called a foul on Kobe. And what does Gino touching him in the head have to do with anything? I can't even tell from that crappy video, but even if he did....... are you saying that is reason enough for kobe swipe him across the face full force? Anyways, I think even if Kobe commited murder, you would find some way to say that it was on accident.</div> If anybody committed murder you'd automatically assume Kobe did it
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If anybody committed murder you'd automatically assume Kobe did it</div> Maybe. I don't like the guy. In my opinion, he portrays himself as a very talented, but cocky, pretentious, and egotistical player. But that's besides the point and I don't want argue about that here. Because it wasn't me who decided what he did was deserving of 1 game suspension. So maybe Stu Jackson doesn't like him either.
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe. I don't like the guy. In my opinion, he portrays himself as a very talented, but cocky, pretentious, and egotistical player. But that's besides the point and I don't want argue about that here. Because it wasn't me who decided what he did was deserving of 1 game suspension. So maybe Stu Jackson doesn't like him either.</div> I would agree with you if every other superstar player wasn't like that....
