All-Star Picks That'll Make You Think...

As I expected Josh wasnt voted on by the coaches as a reserve. So apparently he wasnt that impressive when he was scoring 19 to 20 plus and grabbing 7 to 8 boards on their sorry teams. OKay.

The Suns who are playing great *fart noise* have 3 deserving *fart noise* players on the bench in 2 time MVP Nash, do everything Marion, and Half a Leg/Half Amazing Amare. The Nets *fart noise* have 2 All Stars when really they should have 1. The Pistons who are playing well have 2 when they should only have 1. And the Spurs *entire bowel movement noise* have 2 All-Stars when they should only have one.

Why should this make you think...

Why isnt Dirk the MVP?

All the other good teams have help at All-Star status but Dirk. Steve Nash our current MVP has 2 flippin All-Stars on his team.

 

It's a classic case of everyone looking what players have done in the past and not looking at the present/future.

*fart noise*

 

<div class="quote_poster">samoan-maverick Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Steve Nash our current MVP has 2 flippin All-Stars on his team.</div>
He made them All-Stars, without Nash the Suns are a 30 win team with no All-Stars... just look at them with Marbury. MVPs make their team better, everybody that plays with Nash has career years.

If you're mad at Nash for leaving, blame Cuban. If you want to make a case that Dirk should be MVP, try to do so without dragging down other players. It should be very easy if he is MVP-worthy; its those who aren't good enough to make a case for themselves that have to bash on other player's games.

I think Dirk, Kobe, and Nash are the leaders for MVP this year, trying to pick apart one of their games to make another look better is dumb, all 3 are great players, I'd pay to see any of them and they all deserve it.

P.S.>> Howard will make the team, if you read Hollinger's article it explains that the coaches probably tried to vote Howard on the team, but the system allowed for guards to make it over deserving forwards.

 

kobe cant win MVP, too many "haters", Josh should definately be an all-star, shaq should not be an all-star, nash shouldnt have won two mvp's, marion isnt that good, dirk deserved the MVP last year as did kobe lebron wade, but mvp is a popularity contest just like the allstar game, if the winner was actually the most valuable player, iverson would have won every year. thats why i take no notice these kind of things, the all star game doesnt define how good a player is, just how popular.

 

<div class="quote_poster">AKIRA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">but mvp is a popularity contest</div>
Wade, Kobe and LeBron are far more popular than Nash, so obviously not.

<div class="quote_poster">AKIRA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">if the winner was actually the most valuable player, iverson would have won every year</div>
Philly's last 3 seasons = 38-44, 43-39, 33-49
If that's an MVP, I'll take the undeserving, least valuable player who single handedly turned a 29-53 team into a 62-20 team, but I'm kind of crazy like that.

P.S.>> If Kobe doesn't win it, its because his team is currently 6th in the West, usually winning is a factor in determining who is most valuable. I doubt the MVP voters are "haters", so that won't be an issue.

<div class="quote_poster">AKIRA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">marion isnt that good</div>
Always top 20 in points, rebounds, steals, blocks, field goal percentage, double-doubles and minutes, annual contender for Defensive Player of the Year, a 20-10 player, his 25.3 EFF rating (7th in the NBA) is .6 behind Kobe's, so I guess he "isnt that good" either.

 

<div class="quote_poster">scorbutic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He made them All-Stars, without Nash the Suns are a 30 win team with no All-Stars....</div>

This is where I disagree.

Marion and Amare are/were All-Star material before Nash got there. I would go to the trouble to compare/research PER and the like if I wasn't too lazy. If you really want I can explain it in detail sometime later.(too tired now )

 

Of course they were "All-Star material" a lot of players are; Amare didn't have the numbers because he was still very young and Marion did make an All-Star team before Nash, but in 5 years he only made it once, since Nash he has made 3 in 3 years. Nash has increased both of their PERs:

Marion without Nash = 19.82
Marion with Nash = 23.5

Amare without Nash = 18
Amare with Nash = 24.37

 

<div class="quote_poster">scorbutic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wade, Kobe and LeBron are far more popular than Nash, so obviously not.</div>amongst fans maybe, and that's a maybe, but not amongst the people who vote for MVP.

 

<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">amongst fans maybe, and that's a maybe, but not amongst the people who vote for MVP.</div>
I don't personally know anybody who votes for MVP to have insight in the matter, and I doubt anybody on this forum does either, so unless you can take a poll of the MVP voters, you're simply speculating.

The reason Kobe hasn't won an MVP lately is because the Lakers haven't won the division since Shaq left and the last MVP to come from a team who wasn't at least tied for the division lead was Jordan in 1988 (4 GB) and before that was Moses Malone in 1979 (1 GB).

 

<div class="quote_poster">The One & Only Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This is where I disagree.

Marion and Amare are/were All-Star material before Nash got there. I would go to the trouble to compare/research PER and the like if I wasn't too lazy. If you really want I can explain it in detail sometime later.(too tired now )</div>
The key thing is that, with Nash, the Suns are winning. Without him (like when they had Marbury), they're a mediocre team with a record that doesn't justify multiple All-Star selections. He's the most important player on that team.

Anyways, I'm not quite sure what the point of this thread is. Just seems to be a rambling post that addresses all the percieved slights against the Mavericks. Somehow the Suns got dragged into it (although that seems to be the trend this season).

 

<div class="quote_poster">scorbutic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wade, Kobe and LeBron are far more popular than Nash, so obviously not.</div>

Not in the media's eyes. Every analyst makes Nash sound like he's the only reason Phoenix can play when IMO it's the other players who make him so good. Amare was bound to be a special player with or without Nash and Marion was already an All Star. I think Steve Nash might be the most overhyped player in the league today, the media refuses to accept that he has TONS of talent around him.

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The key thing is that, with Nash, the Suns are winning. Without him (like when they had Marbury),
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True, but when has Marbury ever been able to lead a team? He also had a rookie Amare not the superstar Amare of today. Plus Raja Bell wasn't there either I believe.

I believe the MVP should be either Wade or Kobe, Wade has had to carry Miami all season long without Shaq and now without Riley there. Kobe has Lamar Odom and Bynum and that's about it. Dirk's been great, but he aruguably has more talent around him than either Wade or Kobe.

As for the All Star reserves, the number of reserves should be increased IMO. There are too many deserving players who don't get in,( Joe Johnson, Melo, Josh Howard, Emeka Okafor.) How does Boozer get in over Carmelo Anthony?

 

See that's a double standard I see a lot when people talk about Nash. They try to say that he's the product of very good teammates and then go around and talk about other candidates (Kobe, Wade, Nowitzki) leading their teams to a very respectable records. At least be consistent. If you're going to fault Nash for having such great talent around him, do the same to Kobe for playing under the best coached team in the league, to Nowitzki for having similarly talented teammates, or Wade for getting iso plays called on virtually every offensive possession.

 

<div class="quote_poster">scorbutic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He made them All-Stars, without Nash the Suns are a 30 win team with no All-Stars... just look at them with Marbury. MVPs make their team better, everybody that plays with Nash has career years.</div>
Marion was a two-time all-star and Stoudemire was the Rookie of the Year with Marbury. Nash didn't make anyone anything and Marbury didn't have the luxury of playing with Stoudemire as a 3-year vet, or a Q-Rich, or the improved Joe Johnson.

 

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Marion was a two-time all-star and Stoudemire was the Rookie of the Year with Marbury. Nash didn't make anyone anything and Marbury didn't have the luxury of playing with Stoudemire as a 3-year vet, or a Q-Rich, or the improved Joe Johnson.</div>

lol.

Anyway. Your post makes me laugh. By your standards, Kobe HAS HAS HAS to be MVP. There is no other option. Drik has a much, much, much better team than Kobe. Your logic is beyond flawed. You sound like a PS3 fanboy.

 

<div class="quote_poster">samoan-maverick Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The Suns who are playing great *fart noise* have 3 deserving *fart noise* players on the bench in 2 time MVP Nash, do everything Marion, and Half a Leg/Half Amazing Amare. The Nets *fart noise* have 2 All Stars when really they should have 1. The Pistons who are playing well have 2 when they should only have 1. And the Spurs *entire bowel movement noise* have 2 All-Stars when they should only have one.</div>
You said, Nets should have 1, Pistons should have 1.

Which 2 players would you bring in the East? (has to be two guards, because VC, Kidd, Rip, and Billups are all guards)

 

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Marion was a two-time all-star</div>
No reason to straight out lie. Like I said above, in 5 years he was an All-Star ONCE, with Nash he has been an All-Star 3 out of 3 years.

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nash didn't make anyone anything</div>
Last year the Suns had half the team with career highs in scoring, all because of Nash's leadership and ability to distribute the ball. Diaw, James Jones, and Barbosa were struggling and riding the bench before playing with Nash.

<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Marbury didn't have the luxury of playing with Stoudemire as a 3-year vet, or a Q-Rich, or the improved Joe Johnson.</div>
Marbury has proven no matter who he plays with they will lose. He had Marion, Amare (who was scoring 20 PPG, more than he is this year), & JJ (I wouldn't say he was "improved" as he only averaged 0.4 PPG more). The main difference is Nash gets his team the ball and gives them open shots (that's why their FG% are up, not because they suddenly decided to play well) while Marbury shot it himself.

If you don't feel Nash should get the MVP (after convincing yourself with a flawed excuse), that's fine, but it would then need to go to Dirk. Miami is in the East and isn't over .500, so Wade shouldn't even be mentioned. Kobe's team in 6th, like I stated before, it's been nearly 20 years since an MVP came from a non-division winner, as MVPs usually lead their team to wins (the only stat that matters) which Nash and Dirk have done.

 

Nash only makes a team like the Phoenix Suns better and is not the league MVP. No one's going to become an MVP overnight. He's been doing this for 3-4 years in Dallas before he came to Phoenix and I've been hearing the same bozos that voted him for MVP say Bibby was a better point guard than Nash while he was at Dallas.

So what made him into an MVP? Its the Phoenix system that D'Antoni is using and guys around Nash that showcase his skills. Without Marion and Amare, Nash would be just another Luke Ridnour or a Jason Williams. We can argue about this all day long, but the league has made a mistake in giving Nash 2 MVP awards.

 

Man you guys have been arguing about the same thing throughout the entire post. Face it. Nash is a 2-Time MVP whether you like it or not. You can't change that. Guess what?? He's a nominee again this year. Guess what?? He has a great chance of winning it again this year. He makes his team a lot better. Have you ever seen a Suns game?? Nash with his drive to the hoop and kicking it out to his teammates for the shot. Nash with a 3pointer to help his team lead. Nash with a nasty alley to Stoudamire or Marion. Sure Dirk does deserve it and I'm not saying he does but Nash is just great. It doesn't matter if he has Marion and Stoudamire. You can put him in Orlando and I bet you Dwight will avg. 20+ppg. Wade isn't deserving. Maybe last year he was. LeBron is deserving but his team is still mediocre and he isn't really a team leader like Nash. Nash is the frontrunner and look for him to win it this year again. Kobe won't win because they haven't done anything since Shaq was there.

 

<div class="quote_poster">CLos Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wade isn't deserving. </div>

How do you come to that ocnlusion? After he held this team together threw all of the injuries to Shaq and Williams. He's top 5 in the league in scoring as well. He definately doesn't have the talent around him that Nash has either. Nash is a product of the system he plays in, If you put Jason Kidd or Mike Bibby in that system you would see the same results.

 

I can argue every MVP wins because of the system they play in, had the Lakers played Small Ball and never played Shaq, he'd have never won his MVP. If Jordan played point guard in a post-up offense (where the PF and C get the ball), he'd never have won. But their coaches weren't stupid, they played to their strengths and they were successful.

D'Antoni's system is set up for Nash to succeed, what's wrong with that? Is Dallas' system not set up for Dirk's benefit? The Laker's for Kobe? The Heat for Wade? If these teams aren't set up for their stars to succeed in, then their coaches should be fired.

I'm kind of tired even posting about this, I back my argument up with stats and everybody else just keeps expressing their "expert" opinion, contradicting themselves in the process, making things up and straight out lying. The people who vote for the MVP watch tons of games, they know more about basketball than homer fans.