All-Star Picks That'll Make You Think...

<div class="quote_poster">Playmaker15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How do you come to that ocnlusion? After he held this team together threw all of the injuries to Shaq and Williams. He's top 5 in the league in scoring as well. He definately doesn't have the talent around him that Nash has either. Nash is a product of the system he plays in, If you put Jason Kidd or Mike Bibby in that system you would see the same results.</div>
Wade doesn't deserve MVP for the same reason (more so, actually) that Kobe didn't get it last year. He just hasn't led his team to enough wins. I mean his stats are great, but following that logic, any good player on a lottery team who is the only one deserving of touches should get the same consideration. You need to find a candidate that's in the happy median between having great stats on a weak team (which is what Wade does) and having mediocre stats on an exceptionally great team (something which people argue Nash does, but doesn't make much sense).

 

<div class="quote_poster">dallasdude Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
So what made him into an MVP? Its the Phoenix system that D'Antoni is using and guys around Nash that showcase his skills. Without Marion and Amare, Nash would be just another Luke Ridnour or a Jason Williams. We can argue about this all day long, but the league has made a mistake in giving Nash 2 MVP awards.</div>

Ridnour had Allen and Lewis. Williams had Shaq and Wade. Are you telling me those two players that each PG has aren't top tier? They're all all-star capable, in the case of Williams he has two players capable of league MVP. Ridnour has two very capable all-stars. Aguing that the reason Nash is so good is because he has Amare and Marion is just...wow.

 

<div class="quote_poster">rafy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ridnour had Allen and Lewis. Williams had Shaq and Wade. Are you telling me those two players that each PG has aren't top tier? They're all all-star capable, in the case of Williams he has two players capable of league MVP. Ridnour has two very capable all-stars. Aguing that the reason Nash is so good is because he has Amare and Marion is just...wow.</div>

Good point..On the other hand if Ridnour or Jason Williams were to run the point in Phoenix, the Suns would not be that bad either.

 

Certainly not as good as they currently are. And neither of those players would be putting up the stats Nash is, so I don't think the argument makes much sense.

 

<div class="quote_poster">dallasdude Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Good point..On the other hand if Ridnour or Jason Williams were to run the point in Phoenix, the Suns would not be that bad either.</div>

They wouldn't even be close to the level they are playing at right now. Just like Nash, neither can play defense. Besides that, it's a significant drop off in everything. Nash is better then them at everything, and their pretty much equal at defense (meaning none of them can play it).

 

Williams and Ridnour ar poor examples though, if you put Jason Kidd or Chris Paul in Phoenix they would easily be a better team.

 

We had Jason Kidd and couldn't make it out of the first round. No, he didn't have Amare, but he did have a lot of good players at the time (he has 2 All-Stars now and can't win in the LEast) losing to teams that weren't elite teams. He has fallen way off from what he was back then, so I highly doubt a Nash/Kidd trade is in the works. With Kidd the Suns would win maybe 45 games and be a low seed in the playoffs, getting bounced in the first round.

The way Nash keeps his dribble alive is what seperates him from other point guards and makes him so successful in this system. Nash has the best ball-handling skills plus can score and pass, Kidd can't score, Paul isn't the passer that Nash is.

Without Nash the Suns won 29 games, with him they won 62 and this year are on pace for even more wins. That's all anybody needs to say, you can throw out whatever opinions you have, but stats are stats, wins are wins, while you guys complain at how bad Nash is, he is busy winning games.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Playmaker15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Williams and Ridnour ar poor examples though, if you put Jason Kidd or Chris Paul in Phoenix they would easily be a better team.</div>

Kidd had a quit good team in Pheonix and wasn't able to do anything. Right now he has Carter, RJ and Kristic who some Net fans think he's all-star level so I won't leave him out. Paul has Peja, Tyson, and West. All of those guys are all-star quality. And they're not, nor were playing on half the level Pheonix was/is.

You guys keep suggesting these really good point guards, but they have really good teams too, full of talent. But they aren't getting anywhere. Nash is. The bottom line is: Nash is winning. And that's what matters. I hope they can just continue into the playoffs and win.

 

Jeferson and Krstic are gone for the year, Kidd didn't have the all stars like Amare Stoudemire in his prime, or a Shawn Marion in his prime. Also, you can't possibly consider David West, Tyson Chandler, and Peja All Stars.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Playmaker15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Jeferson and Krstic are gone for the year, Kidd didn't have the all stars like Amare Stoudemire in his prime, or a Shawn Marion in his prime. Also, you can't possibly consider David West, Tyson Chandler, and Peja All Stars.</div>

Why isn't Peja an All-Star?? Hasn't he not made the All-Star team?? Tyson Chandler avgs. 11.8 rpg. If his ppg would improve from 7.7, he would certainly be up there. David West avgs. a solid 15.5ppg with 7.8rbs. He's also a capable player. Chris Paul doesn't play with bad players. Jason Kidd is old though so that could be an excuse why he isn't at the level that Nash is at. But at the same time, some say Kidd is better. I would too in fact. The triple-doubles every night don't hurt. He still avgs. around 9apg. Jason Kidd isn't a fast break kind of guy as much now as he was though. Steve Nash is.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Playmaker15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Jeferson and Krstic are gone for the year, Kidd didn't have the all stars like Amare Stoudemire in his prime, or a Shawn Marion in his prime. Also, you can't possibly consider David West, Tyson Chandler, and Peja All Stars.</div>

Kidd had them last year, where did he get? Nowhere.

Nash was playing without Amare last year, look where he got? They played a tough series against the Mavs. Who, by practically everyones opinion, should have won the finals because they were the better team. Kidd couldn't do anything in the EAST for crying out, with RJ, VC and Nenad. And are you telling me that RJ and VC weren't in their prime? At 27-29 age range is when most people play their best basketball.

David West is a fabulous player. He can hit that mid range jumper, rebound, and attack the basket. He's made an impression on me with the way he's been playing. He's close to a double double every night, and you can atleast count on a block every game. I definitely consider him all-star level, and if you consider Josh Howard to be all-star quality, then you have to do the same with West. Just look at their numbers. I'm to lazy to check, but I'm willing to guess the only edge he has on him is is a few PPG.

Chandler is absolutely all-star level. He's a beast on the offensive boards, and he's definitely one of the best rebounder's in the league. The only knock on him is his offensive game, and I can tell you right now, if he got more plays run for him, and a few more touches, he'd easily get a double double every night.

And Peja...wow...no comment.

 

<div class="quote_poster">rafy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd had them last year, where did he get? Nowhere.

Nash was playing without Amare last year, look where he got? They played a tough series against the Mavs. Who, by practically everyones opinion, should have won the finals because they were the better team. Kidd couldn't do anything in the EAST for crying out, with RJ, VC and Nenad. And are you telling me that RJ and VC weren't in their prime? At 27-29 age range is when most people play their best basketball.</div>

The Suns got to the western Conference Semi's while the Net's got to the Eastern semi's and lost to the eventual champions. Even with no Amare the Suns were still loaded with talent. Krstic wasn't as good as he started off this year either.

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David West is a fabulous player. He can hit that mid range jumper, rebound, and attack the basket. He's made an impression on me with the way he's been playing. He's close to a double double every night, and you can atleast count on a block every game. I definitely consider him all-star level, and if you consider Josh Howard to be all-star quality, then you have to do the same with West. Just look at their numbers. I'm to lazy to check, but I'm willing to guess the only edge he has on him is is a few PPG.</div>

There is no way you can put West as an All star caliber player at least not this early in his career. Josh Howard is easily a better player than him.

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Chandler is absolutely all-star level. He's a beast on the offensive boards, and he's definitely one of the best rebounder's in the league. The only knock on him is his offensive game, and I can tell you right now, if he got more plays run for him, and a few more touches, he'd easily get a double double every night. </div>

If he was All Star quality, he'd be having plays run for him. Chandler might be a great rebounder, but every center in the All Star game is EASILY better than him.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And Peja...wow...no comment. </div>

Not anymore he's not, maybe a few years back but not now.

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Why isn't Peja an All-Star?? Hasn't he not made the All-Star team?? Tyson Chandler avgs. 11.8 rpg. If his ppg would improve from 7.7, he would certainly be up there. David West avgs. a solid 15.5ppg with 7.8rbs. He's also a capable player. Chris Paul doesn't play with bad players. Jason Kidd is old though so that could be an excuse why he isn't at the level that Nash is at. But at the same time, some say Kidd is better. I would too in fact. The triple-doubles every night don't hurt. He still avgs. around 9apg. Jason Kidd isn't a fast break kind of guy as much now as he was though. Steve Nash is.
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He made the All-Star team, but when he was in his prime. Also, maybe that's the reason Chandler isn't All Star material, because he only averages 7 points a game. You can't compare him to Amare, Dwight, Yao etc.

 

Anybody watch the last 2 Suns games? You think the Suns struggle to beat the Blazers and lose to the Hawks at home with Nash in the lineup? Highly doubtful

 

<div class="quote_poster">Playmaker15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The Suns got to the western Conference Semi's while the Net's got to the Eastern semi's and lost to the eventual champions. Even with no Amare the Suns were still loaded with talent. Krstic wasn't as good as he started off this year either.
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They were almost blown out 4-1 against the Heat. Lots of those games were landslides. Yeah, I watched the Heat play the Nets, and Kristic really played like crap. But I remember specifically lots of Net fans lobbying him as an all-star.

The Suns lost 4-2 to the mavs, but the games were close, and they gave the Mavs, pretty much unanimously decided to be the best team in the league, a run for their money. It was a good series. Mind you without Amare, who is a centerpiece. Can you imagine how the Mavs would do without Dirk? Well, Pheonix managed to play good basketball without their Dirk (Amare). Why? Because of the amazing talents of Steve Nash.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">There is no way you can put West as an All star caliber player at least not this early in his career. Josh Howard is easily a better player than him.</div>

Statistically they're almost identical. Howard has a few ppg on him, that's it.

This early in his career? He's been in the league as long as Howard. You can say that Howard is a better player than him, and I agree, but comparing numbers, and from the little I watched of both players; they're pretty similar. West is good, and so is Howard, if you ask me; there isn't much of a drop off from Howard to West. Thus, West is all-star quality.

I'm saying he deserves to be an all-star, but he is "all-star-quality". Which essentially means he's an excellent player, and he's just one of those guys that deserves the nod, but there are too many other players out there with bigger names and bigger stats.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If he was All Star quality, he'd be having plays run for him. Chandler might be a great rebounder, but every center in the All Star game is EASILY better than him.</div>

Does Ben Wallace have plays run for him? Sure, one a quarter. Are you saying that Big Ben shouldn't be an all-star? Right now, he even has better numbers then Ben.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Not anymore he's not, maybe a few years back but not now.</div>

lol, o.k.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He made the All-Star team, but when he was in his prime. Also, maybe that's the reason Chandler isn't All Star material, because he only averages 7 points a game. You can't compare him to Amare, Dwight, Yao etc.</div>

Suggesting that Peja isn't an all-star quality player is just funny.

See the Ben Wallace example for your points on Tyson. I'm not comparing him to Amare, Dwight and Yao. Comparing him to superstars isn't the best idea.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Playmaker15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">



He made the All-Star team, but when he was in his prime. Also, maybe that's the reason Chandler isn't All Star material, because he only averages 7 points a game. You can't compare him to Amare, Dwight, Yao etc.</div>

First off, Tyson Chandler is in the West. No reason to compare him with Dwight Howard. Dwight and Tyson have the same offensive game. They both get putbacks, aren't really good shooters, and do a lot of dirty work on the glass. Amare and Yao are both obviously better than Tyson because they both have post moves and can score. If Tyson were playing like this when he was in Chicago, then I would say him and Eddy Curry are both All-Star candidates. I did say that the 7ppg ruin his candidacy all together, but he's still a solid player to have that 90% of the teams would like to have.