http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcas...ayer?id=2763035 What do you guys think of this? I would be furious if this trade were to go down. I'm in love with Trevor Ariza's game and I see him turning into a great player. He is a great defender, offensive rebounder, and slasher. You guys all know how I feel about Vince Carter and I would hate to lose Trevor. In my mind, Ariza should be untouchable because he has so much potential. I don't understand why we would do this deal if Carter is rumored to sign with us over the offseason anyways. It seems stupid for us to give up a first round pick along with one of our young prospects when we can just sign him in a couple of monthes. That would be better because we'd know that he wants to be here and we wouldn't have to worry about him opting out this summer and leaving us with nothing. I think Vince Carter would be horrible for this team and it scares me that the "insiders" are discussing this deal like it's a serious rumor. I'm crossing my fingers this is just Chad Ford's imagination running wild. What are your thoughts?
I wouldn't trust Chad Ford's sources. He's fabricated a lot of deals and Thorn is one of the better GMs at keeping hush about any trades he makes. Vince Carter should guarantee the Magic make the playoffs. The problem with Vince is you never know which guy is going to show up.
I wouldn't trade Pat Garrity for Vince Carter, he's worse than T-mac (as a person and definately as a player) He will cost us way too much money this offseason I would much rather have Rashard Lewis or Gerald Wallace if he opts out
<div class="quote_poster">TheHighness Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldn't trade Pat Garrity for Vince Carter, he's worse than T-mac (as a person and definately as a player) He will cost us way too much money this offseason I would much rather have Rashard Lewis or Gerald Wallace if he opts out</div> Tmac's been a great person in Houston. You'd be lucky to get a player like him. Vince Carter is a top 5 player in this league. Why wouldn't you want him? Are u serious? The guy's the only reason New Jersey's even respectable. Dwight Howard and Vince on the same squad? That's crazy! Then I hear you whining about losing Trevor Ariza, GET OVER IT! Vince will make you guys a serious matchup problem.
^Never watched a Magic game in his life, nor has he visited these boards often. I'm not going to go through why we don't want Vince for the 80th time, and why we don't want to give up Ariza. Also Otis has made it CLEAR that Ariza, Dwight, Jameer, and I think Diener are untouchables. I can't even get the audio to load Swish, anyone care to explain the deal?
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Tmac's been a great person in Houston. You'd be lucky to get a player like him. Vince Carter is a top 5 player in this league. Why wouldn't you want him? Are u serious? The guy's the only reason New Jersey's even respectable. Dwight Howard and Vince on the same squad? That's crazy! Then I hear you whining about losing Trevor Ariza, GET OVER IT! Vince will make you guys a serious matchup problem.</div> Dwight will take longer to develop and would rarely get the ball and we would essentially be the Wizards by playing absolutely zero perimeter defense. Seriously the only times Dwight ever gets the ball now is on passes by our wings, now if you throw VC in there who will demand the rock then that means that only 1 guy will really pass to Dwight. I would much rather have Trevor Ariza for 1.5 million then VC for the max. I wouldn't say that he is the sole reason that makes the Nets respectable. I think Kidd has more to do with it then Vince, but both do play a big part. Not only do I think that he is not Top 5. Here are the guys that I think is better than VC in no particular order....Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Dirk, Duncan, KG, Ray Allen, Yao, Kirilenko, Nash, Gilbert, Marion, Brand, Okafor, JO, Dwight, Bosh, Melo, Redd, AI, Josh Howard, Pierce, Billups, Kidd, Gasol, Joe Johnson, Boozer, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, and Lamar Odom, Rashard Lewis to name some(probably not everyone though). I would much rather have all of those players over VC. Just my personal opinion though. Just to give you an idea of how much I don't want VC, I would much rather have Tmac back then getting VC and I absolutely despise Tmac.
Ok, Rock4Life, I'm going to break down all the reasons why we don't want Vince Carter later tonight when I got a little bit more time. It's been done several times on this board but I'll do it again later. And One and Only, the deal is Grant Hill and either Trevor Ariza OR Darko Milicic for Vince Carter. Ford said that rumors of this deal emerged on Sunday.
<div class="quote_poster">Swish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's been done several times on this board but I'll do it again later.</div> It has been done a lot. You might as well quote it from a different thread. lol <div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If we were getting Jason Kidd instead I would say hell yeah, but for VC, hell no.</div> Exactly, Jason Kidd would be incredible. I'm not too big on Vince though; just a few reasons why I don't want him on the Magic: he'll stunt Dwight's development by jacking up a lot of shots, he loses the inspiration to give it his all, he is aging, and he is not the type of veteran I want working with our young players.
<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> I wouldn't say that he is the sole reason that makes the Nets respectable. I think Kidd has more to do with it then Vince, but both do play a big part. Not only do I think that he is not Top 5. Here are the guys that I think is better than VC in no particular order....Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Dirk, Duncan, KG, Ray Allen, Yao, Kirilenko, Nash, Gilbert, Marion, Brand, Okafor, JO, Dwight, Bosh, Melo, Redd, AI, Josh Howard, Pierce, Billups, Kidd, Gasol, Joe Johnson, Boozer, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, and Lamar Odom, Rashard Lewis to name some(probably not everyone though). I would much rather have all of those players over VC. Just my personal opinion though. Just to give you an idea of how much I don't want VC, I would much rather have Tmac back then getting VC and I absolutely despise Tmac.</div> I agree except Odom and Rashard Lewis. Look, I'd rather have T-Mac back than Vince Carter. Or Brian Scalabrine.
<div class="quote_poster">Chuck Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree except Odom and Rashard Lewis. Look, I'd rather have T-Mac back than Vince Carter. Or Brian Scalabrine.</div> That's taking it too far.
<div class="quote_poster">Chuck Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree except Odom and Rashard Lewis. Look, I'd rather have T-Mac back than Vince Carter. Or Brian Scalabrine.</div> I really hope the Scalabrine thing is just sarcasm lol I'd definatly take T-mac back over Vince though. T-mac at 75% is better than Vince.
<div class="quote_poster">TheHighness Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I really hope the Scalabrine thing is just sarcasm lol I'd definatly take T-mac back over Vince though. T-mac at 75% is better than Vince.</div> No, it's not sarcasm. It's hyperbole. Are you not in 10th grade english yet? Why does everyone on here take everything at face value? Irony, sarcasm, hyperbole, etc. Oh....14 years old
<div class="quote_poster">Chuck Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No, it's not sarcasm. It's hyperbole. Are you not in 10th grade english yet? Why does everyone on here take everything at face value? Irony, sarcasm, hyperbole, etc. Oh....14 years old </div> Anything that sounds out of the ordinary from Chuck, don't take seriously. It's just a joke.
<div class="quote_poster">Swish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">And One and Only, the deal is Grant Hill and either Trevor Ariza OR Darko Milicic for Vince Carter. Ford said that rumors of this deal emerged on Sunday.</div> I finally got it to play, and honestly I think that would be rape to us. We lose an important tradable in Grant, and our young up and coming in Darko/Ariza. No telling if Carter just signs with someone else at the end of the season, leaving us with one less big and our expiring contract. Why, in ALL of the NBA, is Carter's name always glued to the Magic? I hate it.
<div class="quote_poster">Swish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ok, Rock4Life, I'm going to break down all the reasons why we don't want Vince Carter later tonight when I got a little bit more time. It's been done several times on this board but I'll do it again later.</div> I don't see any reason why you wouldn't want Vince. By minimizing his game to just a scorer ur not really acknowledging how talented this guy is. Right now, the Magic have a good young team. But thus far not as good as the elite teams in the East. With Vince, ur gonna have a TOP 5 player who's gonna help Dwight out alot. Ppl said the same thing about Tmac comin to Houston (stunting Yao's growth) but that's hasn't been then case. <div class="quote_poster">Swish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">And One and Only, the deal is Grant Hill and either Trevor Ariza OR Darko Milicic for Vince Carter. Ford said that rumors of this deal emerged on Sunday.</div> Trevor Ariza? C'mon guys. Ur gettin VINCE CARTER for cryin out loud. Nothin against Ariza, but ur gettin an incredibly gifted player back. I'd do this trade in a heart beat
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't see any reason why you wouldn't want Vince. By minimizing his game to just a scorer ur not really acknowledging how talented this guy is. Right now, the Magic have a good young team. But thus far not as good as the elite teams in the East. With Vince, ur gonna have a TOP 5 player who's gonna help Dwight out alot. Ppl said the same thing about Tmac comin to Houston (stunting Yao's growth) but that's hasn't been then case.</div> He's an old player who is past his prime with a past of injuries who is known for having a bad attitude. He disapears at times (remember a couple of weeks ago when all the Nets fans were complaining?) and he seems to settle for jumpshots way too often at this point in his career. He'd cost us a lot of money this offseason and he doesn't deserve how much he would ask for. He also admitted to giving up on the Raptors which is something I will never let him live down. <div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Trevor Ariza? C'mon guys. Ur gettin VINCE CARTER for cryin out loud. Nothin against Ariza, but ur gettin an incredibly gifted player back. I'd do this trade in a heart beat</div> Watch a Magic game and get back to me. I'd take Trevor Ariza over Vince Carter any day.
Yea, I think you need to watch more games with Vince Carter. First of all, his leadership abilities range from non-existent to Steve Francis-like (depending on the team's success). And when Gator says you don't know which Carter you're getting, he's not kidding. Not only do you have to worry about how he plays after he's traded, but you'll see his effort level and intensity vary from season to season. He's a terrific scorer that, for no apparent reason, will sometimes completely ignore why he's such a great scorer (driving the ball). Honestly, he might make the All-Star team and highlight reels every year, but after enduring T-Mac and Francis, I can understand why Magic fans don't want VC.
<div class="quote_poster">Chuck Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No, it's not sarcasm. It's hyperbole. Are you not in 10th grade english yet? Why does everyone on here take everything at face value? Irony, sarcasm, hyperbole, etc. Oh....14 years old </div> Oh sorry I though this was a basketball forum not Engish class am I in the wrong place. And if you would like to know (not that it is any or you buisness or anything) but I am 22 and I passed 10th grade English a long time ago. So if you don't mind can we please leave that in the "10th grade english class" and discuss what we all came here to discuss (BASKETBALL) thanks CHUCK.
