He tries to bluff Miami by trading Joey H to Cleveland. The following article explains it all Harrington to the Browns? The first sentence is a hoot. Romeo Crennel's interview was enlightening. RC, essentially, said that Detroit is blowing smoke. You would think Saban & Crennel being Belichick disciples would talk. Millen is trying to save face and his job by trying to get as much as he can for JH. I'd still prefer Maddox because of his familairity w/ Mularkey or Tim Couch.
Yeah I can't say I expect much out of the Dolphins with Joey "The Bust" at QB too start the year. Here's to Daunte rehabbing fast and well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'd still prefer Maddox because of his familairity w/ Mularkey or Tim Couch.</div> No shit Serlock! Not only is Millen an idiot, anyone who would give up anything for Doey is also an idiot. I'd prefer the Lions pay him on June 1st and put him on the practice squad and make him run the scout team every week in practice. I'm sure many players on the Lions defense would like that! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ("John Clayton)</div><div class='quotemain'>The Dolphins' position is that Harrington wants to join their team. The Lions' position is that the collective bargaining agreement doesn't permit a secret deal and might go to the NFL Management Council for help. The market for Harrington in a trade diminished when the Broncos drafted Jay Cutler and the Chiefs drafted Brodie Croyle, leaving the Browns as one of the few options for the Lions aside from Miami.</div> I gotta believe Harrington already has the Dolphin playbook. I'd love the NFL to step in and award the Lions a high Dolphin draft pick for tampering. Now <u>that</u> would be funny!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'd still prefer Maddox because of his familairity w/ Mularkey or Tim Couch.</div> No shit Serlock! Not only is Millen an idiot, anyone who would give up anything for Doey is also an idiot. I'd prefer the Lions pay him on June 1st and put him on the practice squad and make him run the scout team every week in practice. I'm sure many players on the Lions defense would like that! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ("John Clayton)</div><div class='quotemain'>The Dolphins' position is that Harrington wants to join their team. The Lions' position is that the collective bargaining agreement doesn't permit a secret deal and might go to the NFL Management Council for help. The market for Harrington in a trade diminished when the Broncos drafted Jay Cutler and the Chiefs drafted Brodie Croyle, leaving the Browns as one of the few options for the Lions aside from Miami.</div> I gotta believe Harrington already has the Dolphin playbook. I'd love the NFL to step in and award the Lions a high Dolphin draft pick for tampering. Now <u>that</u> would be funny!</div> Calm down, sunshine! Breath. It's gonna be okay. Oh, wait, your a Lions fan. ROFL. Seriously, I doubt Saban is, has, or will tamper. If Miami was penalized, what would Detroit do w/ the #32 pick? I know. Hire Rick Spielman & trade it for a 6th in 2010 & 5th in 2012.
Although Lions president Matt Millen told Harrington he would let him go where the quarterback wanted, the Lions don't want to trade him for the sixth-round choice in 2007 being offered by the Dolphins. I think the Lions' current problem serves Matt Millen right for not honoring his word. The Dolphins were willing to trade him a draft pick, but Millen decided to try and screw Harrington and Saban, so I think Saban should let Millen eat that draft pick. As far as paying Harrington to run a practice squad team, I didn't realize that the Lions were so good that they could afford a roster spot and the salary cap money to make a guy rich for practicing. I also doubt you can just beat the crap out of a quarterback in practice without any repercussions. I'm sure Harrington would file a grievance with the NFLPA if the Lions abused their position of power or he might file a lawsuit against the Lions. If the Lions take the low road, I would like Harrington's chances of making them pay.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>I think the Lions' current problem serves Matt Millen right for not honoring his word.</div> You're mistaken about who has a problem. The Dolphins don't have a QB to start the season. As for a 6th round pick, 90% of the time it amounts to nothing. It's not Millen's job to make life easier for opposing teams or former players. Lions fans are backing Millen in this case. If the Dolphins or Harrington want to get started they need to pay ... if not they can wait. Don't worry Doey had a good wonderlic score. LMAO!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>Seriously, I doubt Saban is, has, or will tamper.</div> According to Millen he gave the Dolphins permisson to talk to Jo Jo. "Get to know each other", he said. He also claims any contract talk would be tampering and a violation of the CBA. It's pretty clear according to press reports the Dolphins and Harrington talked contract, according to Millen that's tampering. I expect he'll cut Harrington when the time comes and then file a complaint against your hero Nick Saban. Maybe Millen will get more than a 6th after all? Dumb like a fox?
How is it clear that Harrington and the Dolphins talked contract? I would think that Harrington's roster bonus would be public knowledge. I'm sure Saban knew about the roster bonus and salary without speaking to Harrington. I'm sure Saban also knew that if the Lions still had Harrington after the draft, then the market demand would be much less because a lot of other teams would draft QBs and lose interest in Harrington. Just because Saban didn't offer Millen the high draft picks that he wanted doesn't mean that Saban is guilty of tampering. Of course, I can see where Lion devotees would confuse intelligence with lack of character since they see so little of the former and so much of the latter from their own GM. I'm sure Millen is just sore because it's harder to find a fan, in the parking lot, to whip and take his aggressions out on, during the off season.
This goes to show what a complete moron Matt Millen is. I got this from the Detroit Free Press. "They can talk, and they can get a feel for each other," Millen said. "I'm giving them permission to talk to him and get to know the kid and that kind of stuff. ... "By league rule, they can't do a contract. ... I think that's a cap violation. ... I'm not thrilled about it." Doesn't common sense dictate that Harrington and the Dolphins would have to talk about a new contract? "If they're going to do the deal," Millen said. But isn't it that the Dolphins want to do a deal -- reportedly for a sixth-round pick in 2007 -- and the Lions just aren't accepting their terms? "Well, then there's no deal," Millen said. Where's the line? "I don't know where the line is," Millen said. Is there anyone in control of the Lions' organization? (Yes, BA, the term Lions' organization IS an oxymoron and Millen does put the moron in oxymoron.) Here's the article. http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article.../605010360/1049
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>Seriously, I doubt Saban is, has, or will tamper.</div> According to Millen he gave the Dolphins permisson to talk to Jo Jo. "Get to know each other", he said. He also claims any contract talk would be tampering and a violation of the CBA. It's pretty clear according to press reports the Dolphins and Harrington talked contract, according to Millen that's tampering. I expect he'll cut Harrington when the time comes and then file a complaint against your hero Nick Saban. Maybe Millen will get more than a 6th after all? Dumb like a fox?</div> There is not much to say as Dale seems to have it all covered. Just a few thoughts from yours truly. Granted I'm not a lawyer. If Millen gave Miami permission then I fail to see where any "tampering" took place. Lets say Millen does get an extra pick if for no other reasoning than whining like a kid who doesn't want to go to school. He'll just make a pig's breakfast of it. History has already proven that. Joey and the 'phins have already agreed in principle to a contract. It happens all the time. Eric Moulds did it with the Texans earlier this offseason. Buffalo & Houston agreed to compensation. The problem here is Millen, as previously stated, is trying to save face. The jets gave the Redskins a 6th rounder which is a good basis for this deal. Though, Ramsey is worth more IMO. All Millen has to say is no deal. Its that simple!.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Millen)</div><div class='quotemain'>[The Browns] had a real strong interest in getting a deal done," Lions president Matt Millen told Detroit media Sunday. "Apparently, they couldn't get it worked out."</div> It would seem that Millen did not see the interview w/ Crennel yesterday which I referred to earlier in this thread. Either that or Matt is delusional and sees what he wants. He did play all those years in an alternate universe I mean San Francisco so anything is possible.
I'm in no way saying Millen isn't an idiot. I also agree that Patrick Ramsey is better than Jo Jo Dancer and all the Redskins got for him is a 6th round pick. Of course Millen has much more invested in Doey than the Skins did in Ramsey because on where Jo Jo was drafted. The bottom line is that 6th round picks rarely make it in the NFL anyway. I went back and looked at the last 23 years of Miami 6th round picks and almost all were failures. They did get Reggie Roby in the 6th round in 1983, but in the 23 yrs since then nothing much. Millen knows Miami doesn't have a starting QB for opening day and figured he had some leverage. Most teams would want a new QB studying the playbook ASAP and long before June 15th. The Lions have little or nothing to lose in this deal, while Miami has quite a few early games to lose with Doey at QB. To be honest, if I were Saban, I wouldn't give up anything for Jo Jo Dancer, but then again I'd have re-signed Gus Ferrotte.
Its understood that when you give a player "permission to seek a trade", you are giving them permission to talk to the teams about the contract he would sign upon the trade being agreed upon....there is a ton of precedent of deals being done before trades because no one trades for disgruntled players without those parameters in place....it happens all the time, its very common....thats likely why Millen doesnt know how it works....anything that is normal NFL business would be foreign to this idiot....if this deal was betwen the Dolphins and any other team, the deal would be done already....only Millen would tell the player he will trade him where he wants to go and then send him out to find that home....no one else would give up all the leverage....Millen is likely mad at himself, not the Dolphins and hes deflecting....this only hurts the Lions though....even if the Dolphins wait until June 15, he still would be here 40 days BEFORE training camp starts, which means that he will have 90 days in the system and a full training camp before the season, which is plenty of time....
btw, accussing Saban of cheating and motivating him to kick the living hell out of you on National TV this Thanksgiving isnt smart....do you really want to spend Thansgiving choking down a 38-0 whomping while you choke down your turkey?
Just 38-0? The last time the Dolphins played a Martz led offense; They stomped a mud hole in the Rams and that was with Wanny in charge.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>....Millen is likely mad at himself, not the Dolphins and hes deflecting....</div> Is it safe to say he's overcompensating? ROFLMAO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>The bottom line is that 6th round picks rarely make it in the NFL anyway. I went back and looked at the last 23 years of Miami 6th round picks and almost all were failures. They did get Reggie Roby in the 6th round in 1983, but in the 23 yrs since then, nothing much. Millen knows Miami doesn't have a starting QB for opening day and figured he had some leverage. Most teams would want a new QB studying the playbook ASAP and long before June 15th. The Lions have little or nothing to lose in this deal, while Miami has quite a few early games to lose with Doey at QB. To be honest, if I were Saban, I wouldn't give up anything for Jo Jo Dancer, but then again I'd have re-signed Gus Ferrotte.</div> I stand by this part of my last post that the Dolphin fans failed to address. As for the Thanksgiving Day game? I'm sure Ford Field will be Jo Jo Dancers worst nightmare that day, and that game is already been highlighted by Marinelli's defence. No doubt I'll be using photo's of Doey from that game to create a signature for BA or Beef. LMAO!
Dolphin fans have failed to address what part? The part where you talk about how the Dolphins don't have a starting QB for opening day yet and would like to have one long before June 15th? What part of Beef's "June 15th gives Harrington 90 days with a full training camp" post didn't you understand? I'm sure Saban is working on our QB problem right now. He probably wanted to see if he was going to draft a QB before he signed another veteran. Perhaps Culpepper's rehab is ahead of schedule. That's information that your probably not going to get out of Saban until he wants people to know. I have full confidence in Saban to know exactly what needs to get done and by when. I'm also confident that he won't ruin the future by overreacting to the present. Try placing that kind of confidence in Matt Millen.
The NFL said the Dolphins were within their rights to discuss contract terms with quarterback Joey Harrington once Detroit gave Harrington permission to seek a trade. ''Yes, a player is allowed to talk about a contract with another team in that situation,'' league spokesman Greg Aiello said after asking the NFL Management Council for clarification. Here's to Matt Millen shutting his ignorant pie hole. If you want to check out the article from the Miami Herald, here it is. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sport...ll/14477292.htm
Thanks Dale. I was just about to post the same thing. Zack; I'll address your final issue. So, you would've resigned Gus? I'm sure it had crossed Saban's mind but didn't work out that. Gus still wanted starters $ when he knew & allegedly accepted the fact he may not be the starter. Personally, Gus was an improvment over every QB Miami had since Dan retired but was still a stop gap.
