Official Game Thread: Cleveland @ Toronto (2/21/07)

Bosh missed a somewhat open jump shot and missed.

WTF was that TJ? That last drive. Wow

This is why Calderon should play in the clutch. TJ is just lost and crazy during that time.

That shouldn't have been a jump. Blind-ass refs. I swear. Three blind mice

Anderson Varajeo is so amazing. He would be PERFECT on our team starting alone side Bosh.

 

I forget? It might have been when Bargnani threw up a desperation 3?

 

<div class="quote_poster">SoSoDef Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">bosh had a wide open shot missed it, and the cavs came down and called the timeout. lebron drives, kicks, varejo with the put back slam.</div>

Thx. I caught the last 3 plays or so but I missed the Bosh jumper.

Disapointing game, but rather than read too much into it I'm going to wait to see how we play the next time out. We certainly didn't play consistant enough to win this one.

<div class="quote_poster">Omarion Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I forget? It might have been when Bargnani threw up a desperation 3?</div>

Nah i saw that ... that was the sequence before when Ford ran around and dribbled out the clock then Bargnani took that wierd looking 3 pointer from 30 ft out.

 

so it was:
Ford dribbled around.
Bargnani desperation 3
Lebron charges into Anthony Parker
Raptors do something??
Lebron drives
someone shoots 3
Varajeo jam
TJ throws up a layup
jump ball
TJ calls timeout w/o ball
Mo Pete misses 3

 

Guys, I don't know about you, but I always feel that when Calderon is playing we generally play and can blow out opponents. Then comes in TJ who generally gets the other team back into believing that they can win again. Then Calderon comes back in again and puts the scoring up. The TEAM runs better w/ Calderon at the point. With TJ we trade buckets w/ the other team. With Calderon we're always up by 8-10 points in the game. This is a very, very, very disappointing loss.

 

The raptors tend to choke in the last minutes of the game, especially when the score is close.

 

<div class="quote_poster">hollagr8 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Guys, I don't know about you, but I always feel that when Calderon is playing we generally play and can blow out opponents. Then comes in TJ who generally gets the other team back into believing that they can win again. Then Calderon comes back in again and puts the scoring up. The TEAM runs better w/ Calderon at the point. With TJ we trade buckets w/ the other team. With Calderon we're always up by 8-10 points in the game. This is a very, very, very disappointing loss.</div>

Well I wouldn't go that far, but given the level each of those guys played today the fact Ford played 31 minutes and Calderon played 16, I'd really like to ask the "COY" about that one.

TJ has all the physical tools to be an amazing guard in this league, it's just a matter of getting him to play smart. He started out this game on fire but then started looking for his own shot instead of continuing to move the ball around.

The flip side of the coin is that you dont' have to be the most gifted athlete to be a great pg in the nba. Mike Bibby, Steve Nash, Ridnour are all good examples of that.

 

ugh

 

<div class="quote_poster">hustler Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The raptors tend to choke in the last minutes of the game, especially when the score is close.</div>

That's all TJ.. he makes the games more exciting by letting the other teams back in so that he can drive to the basket on the final possession and make a stupid play so that we always have a good chance to lose. Mitchell, if you're listening, put TJ in the 2 position and don't make him play in the final 3 minutes. We should have lost that game against Chicago if Bosh wasn't there. TJ would've made us lose that one, and he most certainly made sure we lost this one.

 

<div class="quote_poster">a13x Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well I wouldn't go that far, but given the level each of those guys played today the fact Ford played 31 minutes and Calderon played 16, I'd really like to ask the "COY" about that one.

TJ has all the physical tools to be an amazing guard in this league, it's just a matter of getting him to play smart. He started out this game on fire but then started looking for his own shot instead of continuing to move the ball around.

The flip side of the coin is that you dont' have to be the most gifted athlete to be a great pg in the nba. Mike Bibby, Steve Nash, Ridnour are all good examples of that.</div>

This is actually true, however, the name of the game is point guard, which means deferring to another player unless absolutely necessary. Now, if Mitchell drew up that final play for TJ, then great, if not, TJ really should consider his role on this team and pass it up for someone that can do it better. Holla if you feel TJ should move to small forward. I mean, he obviously loves to shoot more than pass, so let's just give him a position that he can sink his teeth into.

 

I was shocked and appaled after the Varejao putback... I guess nobody has heard of a box out... especially Bosh who was right there.

And TJ Ford, don't even get me started on that part... oh my goodness

 

These games are way too important for TJ to be left in the final minutes, we're not a crap team anymore, and TJ is on a different page than the rest of the team. I honestly think that he believes that he or Bosh must take the final shots in the game. While that may have been our option last year, this team is not built like this anymore for a final shot from him or Bosh. Our team is way better than that now, and TJ should realize that.

 

Wut a disappointing loss.... Guys didnt play good at all. I thought they didnt share the ball, our offence was terrible. Perhaps, guys were just getting complacent, but if they dont buckle up by next game, things will go downfall in a hurry.

1. Where was Garbo in the last 3-4miins of the game. Noone could put the ball in the basket in the last stretch.
2. Bosh looked way too tired in this game, but i can understand that. He will be ready for the next game i can assure you that.
3. TJ ford, wut else can you say bout this guy, he needs disclipline....

LAstly, to a certain extent, am glad we lost, maybe this will be a knock on the head for the guys to buckle up and start playing back some good ball. If you wanna win in this league, you cant get too complacent. It aint over til the fat lady sings.

 

Our execution down the stretch leaves a lot to be desired. Doesn't seem like we have a plan b when the other teams increase their defensive pressure. And why is our last play always TJ driving down the lane and putting up a wild shot?

If we're going to do that, I'd much rather have Calderon who has at least a shot of finishing that play.

Bosh's play in the 4th was disappointing. He was back to turning the ball over, stopped driving to the net and didn't box out on the last play. I expect Bosh to bounce back the next game though. We should have had this game. Cleveland's defensive intensity was just much better than our's down the stretch.

 

Nets lost so it weighs down the loss just a bit, but we shouldn't look to only win the Atlantic.

 

Well, I have to say Varajao's dunk was pretty sweet, even though I was rooting for the Raps, Varajao's timing was just perfect and he was moving sideways and was like 4 feet from the basket with Bosh right against him, and seemed like some contact as he came down.

 

Good to see Jones getting some burn. I'm all for him taking minutes away from Graham. Hopefully he can produce this time around.

We had a VERY good opportunity to win it at the end but MoPete didn't realize he was WIDE open so he took an off balance 3 pointer with 2 seconds left on the clock. Seeing how the Cavs had a foul to give I guess he thought he'd get hit so he just chucked away hoping for a shooting foul to be called. Oh well, good exciting game but unfortunate ending. Bosh was Varejaowned tonight...

 

T.J. Ford for Varejao and Gibson?
Cleveland would get the PG they covet and the raps can get rebounding help and get Jose to start and Gibson to play back up....
works for me

 

<div class="quote_poster">norespect Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">T.J. Ford for Varejao and Gibson?
Cleveland would get the PG they covet and the raps can get rebounding help and get Jose to start and Gibson to play back up....
works for me</div>

I read somewhere that clevland offered Varejao for Calderon but the raptors turned the offer down. Did anyone else see that one?

I would do that trade you mentioned in a second, just a gut feeling that the salaries don't match though.

 

If we were to do something like that, we'd need to get another PG in the deal because I don't think anyones comfortable with Martin as a backup.