O'Bryant Back With The Team

Good to see O'Bryants putting up better numbers in the D-League.

 

That pu$$y better step up. Kills the spirit. Have some attitude about it and say how he viewed it as motivation that every time he got the ball he was thinking about the defender being Nelly and how he just wanted to hurt him or something...

 

I know dude. If there's one thing you must have to survive in the nBA, it's mental toughness, I'd guess. You have to know that you're going to be a hall-of-famer. It's just a matter of time...

 

<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I know dude. If there's one thing you must have to survive in the nBA, it's mental toughness, I'd guess. You have to know that you're going to be a hall-of-famer. It's just a matter of time...</div>

Yeah,but you also want such a player to see some outcome for working hard and making progress. The Warriors have been pretty dreadful over the years when it came to wasting young players by showing them they had to get out of here or get used to basketball from the spectator perspective.

 

I think O'Bryant will be fine, would we rather have Foyle for a prospect center? Nice guy and all who gives great effort, but where is the rest of his consistent game outside of shotblocks?

I don't even care if we have a mid-level starting center, we just need something good in the middle that doesn't suck and will provide solid ability every single night. I think POB will at least be that guy that doesn't suck. He may not live up to some people's expectations, but he'll be solid, I think. Inconsistency might be his biggest problem and that could be attributed to aggressiveness or trying to unlearn bad habits and learn good ones... Let's hope Nelly can actually develop a big man... which I don't think he can. Centers are usually 5th option offense in his offense with the power forward not even being that post up player that goes down low. Small ball specialists are brought in for a reason and it's because we don't have the kind of players all-around coaches like to have.

Once or if we get to a sniff of the playoffs and we get better big men, we don't need Nelson anymore. The reason we got him was because we have no good big men on this team except for one guy who isn't all-star or anything and he's not even a traditional center. The closest big man next to him isn't even a power forward by definition. He's like all the other sad SF/PF combos that have come and gone from this franchise (Joe Smith, Antwan Jamison, Troy Murphy, Dunleavy Jr). Give us a power forward/center hybrid with some inside/outside shooting range and good defensive/rebounding skills, please, please, please! He doesn't even have to pass very well. Just something that does those things and can finish and get to the foul line and make at least 70%.

I just badly want to see some basketball where the lineups and position players make sense and not specialize in guard based matchups without any effort to try and use big men to support that guard based attack. I'll take a Reggie Evans or a Dale Davis or somebody to rebound and get physical. Or heck how about a non physical Zarko Cabarkapa type player or Toni Kukoc. Somebody that can make plays at the PF/C positions.

 

Aw heck. It's too early to write POB off. He's been a stiff in the NBA, but he did well in his stint with the Bakersfield Jam and kept improving. I don't expect much from him this year. If he gets five minutes a game, then that's pretty good.

 

<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think O'Bryant will be fine, would we rather have Foyle for a prospect center? Nice guy and all who gives great effort, but where is the rest of his consistent game outside of shotblocks?

I don't even care if we have a mid-level starting center, we just need something good in the middle that doesn't suck and will provide solid ability every single night. I think POB will at least be that guy that doesn't suck. He may not live up to some people's expectations, but he'll be solid, I think. Inconsistency might be his biggest problem and that could be attributed to aggressiveness or trying to unlearn bad habits and learn good ones... Let's hope Nelly can actually develop a big man... which I don't think he can. Centers are usually 5th option offense in his offense with the power forward not even being that post up player that goes down low. Small ball specialists are brought in for a reason and it's because we don't have the kind of players all-around coaches like to have.

Once or if we get to a sniff of the playoffs and we get better big men, we don't need Nelson anymore. The reason we got him was because we have no good big men on this team except for one guy who isn't all-star or anything and he's not even a traditional center. The closest big man next to him isn't even a power forward by definition. He's like all the other sad SF/PF combos that have come and gone from this franchise (Joe Smith, Antwan Jamison, Troy Murphy, Dunleavy Jr). Give us a power forward/center hybrid with some inside/outside shooting range and good defensive/rebounding skills, please, please, please! He doesn't even have to pass very well. Just something that does those things and can finish and get to the foul line and make at least 70%.

I just badly want to see some basketball where the lineups and position players make sense and not specialize in guard based matchups without any effort to try and use big men to support that guard based attack. I'll take a Reggie Evans or a Dale Davis or somebody to rebound and get physical. Or heck how about a non physical Zarko Cabarkapa type player or Toni Kukoc. Somebody that can make plays at the PF/C positions.</div>

Troy Murphy anyone?

 

<div class="quote_poster">DIRK4L1FE Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Troy Murphy anyone?</div>

Forward? Yes. Center? No. Outside? Yes. Inside? No. Rebound? Yes. Defense? No...

 

It's funny how skewed the perception of Troy Murphy is around the league. People who don't watch him much look at his stats and think he's a good player. I mean, he's decent in certain areas, but he's way overpaid and his numbers are such a mirage lol.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Kwan1031 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Forward? Yes. Center? No. Outside? Yes. Inside? No. Rebound? Yes. Defense? No...</div>

Exactly, Dirk. Kwan is right. He doesn't finish that well either. Also being mobile for PF position is helpful. The guy is slooow and has no touch inside except off the dribble with a layup.

But he's good with the elbow jumper, driving the ball with his left, and the step back jumper. But talk about lacking any inside or defensive presence. The guy is only physical when he wants his rebounding numbers it seems or gets up playing defense occasionally. He keeps his hands down a lot of times and doesn't play much help D.

 

<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's funny how skewed the perception of Troy Murphy is around the league. People who don't watch him much look at his stats and think he's a good player. I mean, he's decent in certain areas, but he's way overpaid and his numbers are such a mirage lol.</div>

It's like the same thing with Dampier, Al Harrington, and Jamal Magloire, huh? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind talent like Damp or Mags, as long as the price ain't steep, which it is (unfortunately).

 

<div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's like the same thing with Dampier, Al Harrington, and Jamal Magloire, huh? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind talent like Damp or Mags, as long as the price ain't steep, which it is (unfortunately).</div>

I wouldn't include Harrinton, no. He is a good bargain at $7 mils for what he can do. The problem is that Nellie is asking him to play the PF, which is why it's frustrating to watch at times, because he isn't a big bruiser inside. He's a finesse scorer, not a power rebounder/finisher. He's a 6'9" guard, like TMac in a way (except not as good, of course). If he played SF he'd probably have some trouble guarding the quicker matchups but at least he could do his scoring thing and not have to worry about getting 8-9 boards a night with 1 or 2 blocks. Because that's not his game.

But Nellie refuses to put a legit big man at PF, so instead Harrington is asked to do things he's not very good at -- defend inside, rebound, and block shots.

Remember, Harrington is one of the best 3-pt shooters in the league, and one of the best pure jump shooters as well. He's an outside scorer, not an inside guy. For what he brings, though, it's a good value at $7 mils.