Clearly, patience has become a problem when developing young QBs....several reasons for this exist....one of which is the ridiculous contracts that 1st round picks recieve....its insane to give $20mill guaranteed to anyone that has never taken a snap in this league....to even live up to that contract, the player has to be one of the best 2 or 3 players in the league and thats not a likley scenario....I think the biggest reason though is a lack of patience with coaching staffs....I checked every QB drafted in the 1st round since 1982(actually 1982-2002 since the guys after 2002 havent reached thier 4th years as of yet)....in that 20 year period, of the teams that drafted a QB in the 1st round, 21 of 38 coaches were no longer with the team within 3 years and a handful of others were out after 4 or 5....not all of them were fired, but most were....so 55% of all quarterbacks drafted in the 1st round for that time period experienced a change in coaching staffs within 3 seasons....of those same QBs, 32 of the 38 saw a change within 5 years....in the past 20 years, 84% of the time that a coach drafts a QB in the 1st round, hes gone within 5 seasons....its not just the busts either....of the coaches that drafted QBs from 1998-2002, only Donavan McNabb and Andy Reid are still together....Peyton Manning, for all his success, couldnt save Jim Mora....Culpepper couldnt save Dennis Green....Vick couldnt save Dan Reeves....Pennington couldnt save Herm Edwards....so if you like the coach you got now, pray he didnt draft a QB, because chances are, he wont be around if he did....be wary of that Titans, Cardinals, and Broncos fans....
of course u are talking first rounders..lol.. wow u are right i can't think of 1 other then reid and mcnabb..
Nice post Beef. One thing though, often the coach has little to say about who the first round pick is. Marty Mornhinwig wanted nothing to do with Harrington. He was so pissed he left the war room and didn't show for the Princess' introduction to the media. Doey was 100% Matt Millen's boy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>Nice post Beef. One thing though, often the coach has little to say about who the first round pick is. Marty Mornhinwig wanted nothing to do with Harrington. He was so pissed he left the war room and didn't show for the Princess' introduction to the media. Doey was 100% Matt Millen's boy.</div> Marty wanted Quentin Jammer
You've just been drafted, #3 overall by the Detroit Lions....it should be one of the happiest days of your life....but, you find out that your new head coach doesnt want you and was so adament about it that he stormed out of the war room....is there a worse way to start your career as a "franchise savior"? atleast you got the money....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>You've just been drafted, #3 overall by the Detroit Lions....it should be one of the happiest days of your life....but, you find out that your new head coach doesnt want you and was so adament about it that he stormed out of the war room....is there a worse way to start your career as a "franchise savior"? atleast you got the money....</div> Talk about never having a chance. Harrington is going to make detroit look so stupid. Not as stupid as they look by losing 10+ games every year. But still, pretty stupid
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>You've just been drafted, #3 overall by the Detroit Lions....it should be one of the happiest days of your life....but, you find out that your new head coach doesnt want you and was so adament about it that he stormed out of the war room....is there a worse way to start your career as a "franchise savior"? atleast you got the money....</div> Talk about never having a chance. Harrington is going to make detroit look so stupid. Not as stupid as they look by losing 10+ games every year. But still, pretty stupid</div> That's not fair. LOL. The alleged 2 toughest jobs in Detroit are; Lions QB & Red Wings goal keeper. Lets here it for instant fixes and unrealistic expectations.
I look at Harringtons numbers and other than the 1st 2 years(which most QBs struggle through and his included a coach that didnt want him and a coaching change), at his worst, he was avg and at his best he was good....3000 yards, 19 TDs, 12 Ints, atleast on the surface, is good for an NFL QB....granted, i wasnt there, and I havent been around him, and Ive heard he had attitude problems galore, but theres talent there, if there wasnt, he couldnt have put up the season he did in his 3rd year....Zack thinks the guy is garbage, and he may be right, but its clearly personal for him, I think the guy will be productive, and I may be right, but its clearly personal for me....we are both to close to the situation to give an objective opinion....but I trust in Saban...hes never had a losing season at any level, a streak kept alive last year with a team that lost 12 games the year before....in this man, I trust!....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>I look at Harringtons numbers and other than the 1st 2 years(which most QBs struggle through and his included a coach that didnt want him and a coaching change), at his worst, he was avg and at his best he was good....3000 yards, 19 TDs, 12 Ints, atleast on the surface, is good for an NFL QB....granted, i wasnt there, and I havent been around him, and Ive heard he had attitude problems galore, but theres talent there, if there wasnt, he couldnt have put up the season he did in his 3rd year....Zack thinks the guy is garbage, and he may be right, but its clearly personal for him, I think the guy will be productive, and I may be right, but its clearly personal for me....we are both to close to the situation to give an objective opinion....but I trust in Saban...hes never had a losing season at any level, a streak kept alive last year with a team that lost 12 games the year before....in this man, I trust!....</div> Saban knows what he's doing. He's getting Harrington for nothing. No one will give what Millen is asking and Saban knows that. Saban also knows there's a good chance Culpepper isn't ready for the first quarter of the year. So he needs somebody otherwise Miami could be in a hole to start the year with Cleo running things. Harrington has it physically. Everyone knows that. What his problem is he doesn't have it mentally. He doesn't put that big play up. He didn't earn the respect from his players. He lacks leadership qualities.. If your Miami and your invested in a QB with an ACL injury getting someone like Harrington to be your backup and start for the first 3-5 games of the season is a smart move. 1. You have nothing to lose. The contract they agreed to isn't that bad for Miami. 2. If Harrington does revive his career enough in those 3-5 games to start the year he's huge trade bait or he's a great backup. I really like what Miami is doing. Ronnie Brown is my fantasy sleeper this year. I like the 3-4 there trying to get going. I like Culpepper and I think he?ll do great. Chambers is my boy from UW. They have the makings of something special for 2007 with a healthy Culpepper for all 16 games.
The problem Saban might run into is that both of his QBs can be head cases. I've always said that Culpepper's worst problem was his tendency to push when he shouldn't be pushing. It is definitely possible to fluster him, and when things start to go bad, they get really bad. The upside to this is that when Pep is playing well I do not think there is a better QB in the league than him. Porky is right - Harrington has the physical skills, he just lacks the personality traits to lead an NFL team. I've watched a decent amount of Lions football and seen Harrington play a decent amount and have always come away with the same conclusion - the kid doesn't believe he can do it. Who knows, though, maybe the fresh start will be good for both QBs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>I look at Harringtons numbers and other than the 1st 2 years(which most QBs struggle through and his included a coach that didnt want him and a coaching change), at his worst, he was avg and at his best he was good....3000 yards, 19 TDs, 12 Ints, atleast on the surface, is good for an NFL QB....granted, i wasnt there, and I havent been around him, and Ive heard he had attitude problems galore, but theres talent there, if there wasnt, he couldnt have put up the season he did in his 3rd year....Zack thinks the guy is garbage, and he may be right, but its clearly personal for him, I think the guy will be productive, and I may be right, but its clearly personal for me....we are both to close to the situation to give an objective opinion....but I trust in Saban...hes never had a losing season at any level, a streak kept alive last year with a team that lost 12 games the year before....in this man, I trust!....</div> Saban knows what he's doing. He's getting Harrington for nothing. No one will give what Millen is asking and Saban knows that. Saban also knows there's a good chance Culpepper isn't ready for the first quarter of the year. So he needs somebody otherwise Miami could be in a hole to start the year with Cleo running things. Harrington has it physically. Everyone knows that. What his problem is he doesn't have it mentally. He doesn't put that big play up. He didn't earn the respect from his players. He lacks leadership qualities.. If your Miami and your invested in a QB with an ACL injury getting someone like Harrington to be your backup and start for the first 3-5 games of the season is a smart move. 1. You have nothing to lose. The contract they agreed to isn't that bad for Miami. 2. If Harrington does revive his career enough in those 3-5 games to start the year he's huge trade bait or he's a great backup. I really like what Miami is doing. Ronnie Brown is my fantasy sleeper this year. I like the 3-4 there trying to get going. I like Culpepper and I think he?ll do great. Chambers is my boy from UW. They have the makings of something special for 2007 with a healthy Culpepper for all 16 games.</div> I still think if harrington gets the chance to start (i think he will) He takes job and never gives it back.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>of the teams that drafted a QB in the 1st round, 21 of 38 coaches were no longer with the team within 3 years and a handful of others were out after 4 or 5....not all of them were fired, but most were....so 55% of all quarterbacks drafted in the 1st round for that time period experienced a change in coaching staffs within 3 seasons....of those same QBs, 32 of the 38 saw a change within 5 years....in the past 20 years, 84% of the time that a coach drafts a QB in the 1st round, hes gone within 5 seasons....its not just the busts either....of the coaches that drafted QBs from 1998-2002, only Donavan McNabb and Andy Reid are still together....</div> Maybe the city of Baltimore isn't in the equation. If I can remember, Boller and Billick are still on the same team. Maybe not next year but yeah, the statistics are in your favor.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>of the teams that drafted a QB in the 1st round, 21 of 38 coaches were no longer with the team within 3 years and a handful of others were out after 4 or 5....not all of them were fired, but most were....so 55% of all quarterbacks drafted in the 1st round for that time period experienced a change in coaching staffs within 3 seasons....of those same QBs, 32 of the 38 saw a change within 5 years....in the past 20 years, 84% of the time that a coach drafts a QB in the 1st round, hes gone within 5 seasons....its not just the busts either....of the coaches that drafted QBs from 1998-2002, only Donavan McNabb and Andy Reid are still together....</div> Maybe the city of Baltimore isn't in the equation. If I can remember, Boller and Billick are still on the same team. Maybe not next year but yeah, the statistics are in your favor.</div> Boller hasnt reached his 4th year. But, i think he will and billick will be around still.
Boller was drafted the year after the cut off so he wasnt included in the study, but I think hes a candidate to fall into the 5 year change....I dont think its unreasonable to think that Billick has a very short leash after last season and cant survive double digit losses.....Boller is a good example though of the growing patience problem, as he enters his 4th season and hes been replaced....the Ravens arent bringing in McNair to compete, but to play....perhaps Billick knows that if he has a bad year, hes gone and therefore has to lose patience or his job....
I admit I lay it on a little thick about the Princess to get under the skin of the DWO and to make for better reading. It's all in fun for me. That said, Steve Mariucci (Mr. Nice Guy) gave Doey every opportunity and it cost him his job. It got so bad that when the two attended the team mass (Both are Catholic) on the morning of road games they didn't speak or even look at each other. The majority of the team wanted to beat Harrington's ass and Dick Jauron benched him because he knew "Millen's Boy" cost Mariucci and Mornhinwig their jobs and that he didn't have what it takes. Then there's the Manhood issue. Does everyone remember the Tony Saragoosa coments? He claimed Harrington wasn't his kinda guy. "More of a Champagne and Strawberries fello." I've never even seen a photo of the Princess with a women. Clearly Doey's wealthy and he's not an ugly man, why no women? Next to San Francisco, Miami's likely the most attractive NFL city for a "Pecker Puffing QB". Maybe Beef's right and she'll thrive in South Beach. One thing for sure, it will be interesting to watch this Soap Opera.
I dont know about Harrington, but I think Terrell Owens is gay....if he was gay, that would explain part of why his teammates dont care for him....i am looking forward to seeing what happens....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>I still think if harrington gets the chance to start (i think he will) He takes job and never gives it back.</div> This is the most clueless post I've ever read. Please lay off the crack for your own good BF1 ... it's eating away at your brain.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>I still think if harrington gets the chance to start (i think he will) He takes job and never gives it back.</div> This is the most clueless post I've ever read. Please lay off the crack for your own good BF1 ... it's eating away at your brain.</div> How is it possible that someone could think that a Highly drafted player, who got stuck on a bad team, with a bad GM and 2 coaches who didnt want him, who's # kept getting better his first 3 years, could have success on a different team, with talent and coaching staff that wanted him around? Obviously, my brain has been eaten away. Only logical expectation.
