76ers Record since Iverson trade: Dec 20 vs Indiana L 93-101 Dec 22 at Boston W 98-83 Dec 23 vs New York W 98-77 Dec 26 at Golden State L 97-116 Dec 27 at Sacramento L 76-101 Dec 29 at Portland W 98-95 Dec 31 at LA Lakers L 94-104 Jan 2 at Denver W 108-97 Jan 3 at Utah L 87-98 Jan 5 at Minnesota L 102-104 Jan 9 vs Detroit L 89-98 Jan 10 at New York L 99-106 Jan 12 vs Milwaukee W 110-97 Jan 13 at Charlotte L 83-89 Jan 15 vs Toronto L 86-104 Jan 17 at Memphis L 102-118 Jan 19 vs Miami W 98-95 Jan 21 vs San Antonio L 85-99 Jan 23 vs New Orl/OKC W 102-96 Jan 24 at Cleveland W 118-115 Jan 26 vs Cleveland L 97-105 Jan 27 at Atlanta W 104-89 Jan 29 at Houston L 84-105 Jan 31 at New Orl/OKC W 89-78 Feb 2 vs Golden State L 101-102 Feb 5 vs New Jersey W 100-98 Feb 7 vs Charlotte W 92-83 Feb 9 vs LA Clippers L 89-90 Feb 11 vs Dallas L 89-106 Feb 14 vs Washington L 85-92 Feb 21 vs New York W 104-84 Feb 23 at Charlotte L 87-102 Feb 24 at Milwaukee L 90-109 Feb 26 vs Sacramento W 89-82 Feb 28 vs Phoenix W 99-94 Mar 2 vs Memphis W 117-112 16-20 _____________________________________________________ Nuggets Record since Iverson trade: Dec 22 vs Sacramento L 96-101 Dec 26 vs Boston W 116-105 Dec 28 vs Seattle W 112-98 Dec 29 at New Orl/OKC L 89-99 Dec 31 vs Dallas L 85-89 Jan 2 vs Philadelphia L 97-108 Jan 5 at LA Lakers L 104-123 Jan 6 vs Utah L 84-96 Jan 8 vs Milwaukee W 104-92 Jan 10 vs San Antonio L 83-92 Jan 12 vs Houston L 86-90 Jan 14 at Portland W 109-93 Jan 19 vs Cleveland W 110-99 Jan 20 at Houston W 121-113 Jan 22 vs Memphis W 115-98 Jan 23 at Seattle W 117-112 Jan 26 at Utah L 111-116 Jan 27 vs New Jersey L 102-112 Jan 29 vs Charlotte L 101-105 Jan 31 at Portland L 91-100 Feb 2 vs Portland W 114-107 Feb 3 at Sacramento L 87-94 Feb 5 vs Phoenix L 108-113 Feb 7 vs New Orl/OKC L 112-114 Feb 9 at Indiana W 102-95 Feb 10 at Milwaukee W 109-102 Feb 12 vs Golden State W 123-111 Feb 14 at Minnesota L 94-99 Feb 20 at San Antonio L 80-95 Feb 23 vs Utah L 104-114 Feb 24 at Dallas L 95-115 Feb 26 at Memphis W 111-107 Feb 28 vs Orlando W 111-101 14-19
But there is a bigger picture than that, you have to take into account the adjustments the nuggets had to make to fit iverson into the offense, there still in that process, you also have to recognize the key injuries that they have had. nuggets will make playoffs, 76ers wont, simple as that, you would have made playoffs with AI.
Did you forget that AI sprained his ankle and missed games, and that the Nuggets were missing Melo as well? They still haven't even played that many games together.
I'm not really focused too much on the Denver stats, actually I could have not even posted them. I just think our team plays better. Most winning teams play as a team and have fun. Most winning teams have a core balanced attack and do not have to rely on one player. Most winning teams play with that grit on defense. The reason for this comment is because when AI was on the team the other players would not get that much touches if even allowed to shoot at all. That makes them lazy on defense. Without Allen they know they will get the ball so its a all round team effort. Which we were lacking with him.
<div class="quote_poster">N4S Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not really focused too much on the Denver stats, actually I could have not even posted them. I just think our team plays better. Most winning teams play as a team and have fun. Most winning teams have a core balanced attack and do not have to rely on one player. Most winning teams play with that grit on defense. The reason for this comment is because when AI was on the team the other players would not get that much touches if even allowed to shoot at all. That makes them lazy on defense. Without Allen they know they will get the ball so its a all round team effort. Which we were lacking with him.</div> ^ We have nothing like this until he was gone. Don't get me wrong. AI was good when he was here and we won alot of games, but not the team is more fun to watch IMO cause I know the players are actually enjoying themselves. So much that there asses are going to get us less pingpong balls. Sorry for the 2x post. Someone can merge it.
You also have to account for schedule strength. I'm not sure how tough your schedule was before the A.I. trade, but those wins are all against pretty crappy competition (aside from a couple surprises against Cleveland and Phoenix).
i agree we are better without AI etleast i got to see him play one more time in philadelphia when i went to the home opener against altlanta 3rd row great seats
I wouldn't say we are better off without Iverson, but the offense is much more efficient. Prior to Allen leaving the offense was built to fit Iverson, while everyone else stood and watched. Since he has left everyone is contributing. Iguodala has become a 20 points per game guy, Korver has gone for 30 a couple of times, etc. The AI trade was one that needed to be made.
Well thats a given though. Allen is a scorer and needs shot attempts to be really effective, you replace him with some role players and you have a lot more shots to go around, thats pretty simple.
<div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well thats a given though. Allen is a scorer and needs shot attempts to be really effective, you replace him with some role players and you have a lot more shots to go around, thats pretty simple.</div> It's not just about shot attempts, it about ball movement. Wade, Lebron, etc. all demand a large amount of shots, but their teams still maintain a decent amount of ball movement, to the point that role players such as Kapono, Gooden, Haslem, etc. all get their shots. With Iverson on the 76ers that was not the case, one night Iguodala might get 12 shots attempt and the next he would get under ten. The ball was constantly in AI's hands and the team relied way too much on him on the offensive end.
