I hate certain types of players: Ballhogs: AI, McGrady, Marbury, Francis Thugs: AI, Fortson, Artest, Stephen Jackson, Jason Williams Whiners: Antoine Walker, 'Sheed Speaking-Impaired: 90% of the NBA! Kobe "No-means-no" Bryant who never went to college speaks more eloquent than most of his colleagues who went to universities. As for Nash, a 33 game turn-around, 3 division titles, 2 Western Final appearances (and counting), 2 MVPs (and counting) voted on by basketball experts (who actually watch all the team's games), great attitude, good locker room guy, charitable, helps his community, speaks well... all CRAP! If only they'd realize the MVP should be voted on by biased youth on an internet forum, most of whom have never seen Larry Bird play, then maybe we could all get sleep at night! When will everybody see that 45 wins, 3rd place in the division, and 7th seed in the West is the most valuable? Anyway at the end of the day, I don't hate anybody, they are just doing a job, that job is to entertain me, so it's all good. I do really hate casual fans and how the NBA caters to them while ignoring the true fans who support the product day-in, day-out.
<div class="quote_poster">scorbutic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I hate certain types of players: Ballhogs: AI, McGrady, Marbury, Francis </div> If you're going to consider T-Mac a ballhog, your list should have atleast 10 more people.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If you're going to consider T-Mac a ballhog, your list should have atleast 10 more people.</div> The lists weren't complete, just some example players, of course those aren't the only ballhogs, thugs, whiners, and players who can't speak, but like I said I dislike certain types of players rather than the players themselves. If you can think of any more who fit the categories, mentally add 'em to the list, as those are types of players I think are ruining the NBA (also note some of the names aren't superstars, but they were good examples).
I dislike superstars who don't take advantage of their natural abilities. Topping the list is Shaq. There's never been a player with his size and athleticism in any sport. He's won Championships and dominated a few seasons, but Shaq could have went down as the best ever without any debate. Shaq should have been a dominant force on both ends of the floor and could have been someone who could realistically average 30 points and 20 rebounds a season. He also never figured out how to make free throws, which makes him a liability at the end of games. You can't be considered the best or the most dominant when your coach benches you in crunch time because you can't make free throws. Shaq should have 10 titles by now, so when we look back after he retires, he'll go down as a disappointment. Another player is Stephon Marbury. Ability wise he tops the charts, but he's never been able to figure out how to harnass his ability and win games. I also don't like the fact he never made himself accountable for failing. Only this season he's finally matured somewhat, but too, little too, late.
The list for me begins and ends with one man: Shaquille O'Neal. A man born into a body that guaranteed him a successful basketball career, and despite being given this ift, has never conditioned himself to the point where he could achieve true brilliance; rather, his career has been made legendary by brute size and force, and years of NBA officials who refuse to enforce the rules of the game. If you lower down and dislodge a defensive player from the court to back in towards the basket, that's supposed to be a foul. The defender is entitled to his own position on the court. If you shuffle your feet before planting for a shot, that's traveling. And if you average the PPG Shaq has while shooting only 50% from the line, that's the difference between being a high level scorer, and possibly the all time leading scorer in NBA history. It's a damn disgusting shame. I have never in my entire life suggested (as some overzealous middle aged men might, watching a basketball game and dreaming of their days playing high school ball) that I could step onto a court, or a field, and perform the way these extraordinary athletes do, with one notable exception. I am a twenty year old, five foot ten, one hundred and seventy two pound young man. And if I were born into the body that Shaquille O'Neal has, with all that power, agility, and potential for dominance, I would be a better basketball player than him. So, yeah, not too fond of Shaq. *edit* - I just did the math on Shaq's free throwing, and I admit to exaggerating initially; if he hit 75% for his career, his point total would increase only about 2200 points, leaving him still about 12000 short of Kareem's record. Nonetheless, it certainly is a dubious feat to leave enough points at the line to account for almost a full season of dominant scoring, and that's assuming generously that he only be asked to shoot 75%.
Dirk Nowitzki: I just find him extremely overrated...its just me though. I also don't like how he reacted when his team lost the NBA finals. Ron Artest: He has had every opportunity in the world, yet continues to mess it up. Zach Randolph: See Ron Artest.... Gilbert Arenas: Not that I hate him, love his game, but he is full of himself. Carmelo Anthony: See Ron Artest...
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Another player is Stephon Marbury. Ability wise he tops the charts, but he's never been able to figure out how to harnass his ability and win games. I also don't like the fact he never made himself accountable for failing. Only this season he's finally matured somewhat, but too, little too, late.</div> I don't think Marbury's inability to win is solely based on him. He was put in a lot of unlucky situations. Minnesota has always lost in the first round of the playoffs except one year well after Marbury was traded, so he clearly didn't attribute to their losing. With the Nets many times his teammates were injured. He only spent 2 seasons in Phoenix: the first was another injury-riddled season, and the second was a 6-game playoff loss to the eventual NBA champion Spurs. He gets criticized a lot in New York, but is it his fault he has new teammtes and coaches every so often?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Steve Nash-he looks like the type of guy you see on the news for stalking 13 year old girls. </div> i always used to say this....
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think Marbury's inability to win is solely based on him. He was put in a lot of unlucky situations.</div> When he came to Phoenix I thought the same thing. I like the guy, on television he seems like a nice enough person, he is very skilled, and he gives back the community. Then stories came that he didn't get along with teammates and his posse was huge and distracting, plus he really doesn't play as a true PG. In the last 19 years the Suns have missed the playoffs twice, both were with Marbury on the team. He took over a 51-31 team and won 36 games the next year. It doesn't help that Nash took a 29 win Suns team (granted Marbury was traded half way through the season, but they weren't exactly winning with him) and won 62 games. It's not that his former teams eventually win once he leaves, they win immediately and it's not just a few games... Minnesota went from 25 wins to 50 New Jersey went from 26 win to 52 (and a trip to Finals) Phoenix went from 29 wins to 62 (and a trip to West Finals) I hope it works out for him in New York, I know how much he wanted to play there and I just hope he puts it together and can figure out how to win.
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">yeah those guys are usually fit as hell and have stylish haircuts. </div> Look at his eyes sometime....he's pretty creepy looking.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If you're going to consider T-Mac a ballhog, your list should have atleast 10 more people. </div> word.....
Lebron James: Way too much overhyped. League treats him as God. He gets all the call and when he hit Wade on accident he didn't get suspended, but when Kobe hit Ginobli on accident he got suspended. Gilbert Arenas: Right when I was starting to like the guy, he goes out and makes stupid comments. He is way too confident. I don't hate Arenas, I just find him annoying at times.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting scorbutic:</div><div class="quote_post">When he came to Phoenix I thought the same thing. I like the guy, on television he seems like a nice enough person, he is very skilled, and he gives back the community. Then stories came that he didn't get along with teammates and his posse was huge and distracting, plus he really doesn't play as a true PG. In the last 19 years the Suns have missed the playoffs twice, both were with Marbury on the team. He took over a 51-31 team and won 36 games the next year. It doesn't help that Nash took a 29 win Suns team (granted Marbury was traded half way through the season, but they weren't exactly winning with him) and won 62 games. It's not that his former teams eventually win once he leaves, they win immediately and it's not just a few games... Minnesota went from 25 wins to 50 New Jersey went from 26 win to 52 (and a trip to Finals) Phoenix went from 29 wins to 62 (and a trip to West Finals) I hope it works out for him in New York, I know how much he wanted to play there and I just hope he puts it together and can figure out how to win.</div> First, you forgot to mention that Marbury was traded during a lockout season. So yes, Minnesota won 25 games, but that’s only because they only played 50 games. Also, Marbury barely played for Minnesota that season; 18 games into the season, which the T’Wolves were 12-6, he was traded, so he was no way responsible for the ‘Wolves record from that point on. The Nets were already horrible before Marbury arrived there. His first year in New Jersey was an adjustment, but after the Nets’ poor start, the Nets were around .500 their last 60 or so games. The next season here was the story: Van Horn broke his ankle and missed 33 games, Kenyon Martin had a bad knee and missed 14 games, Kerry Kittles missed the entire season, Kendall Gill missed 51 games, and Marbury himself missed 15 games. The very next season the Nets acquired Richard Jefferson, Jason Collins, Todd MacChulloch, and their players for the most part were healthy. In Phoenix, Marbury started the season without Clifford Robinson, Tony Delk, and Rodney Rogers who combined for 40.6 points. All three of those players played with Jason Kidd the previous year. It must also be mentioned that the Suns’ didn’t have a legit center, which is very important playing in the West. The following year, after acquiring Stoudemire, the Suns made the playoffs and took the NBA champion Spurs to 6 games. The next year Marbury was traded as of January 5, so his tenure in Phoenix that year should be negated. When he went to New York the Knicks did well that year, but Isiah continued to make all types of changes, which disrupted chemistry. From 03-04 to the present, Marbury has had 7 coaches and has played with at least 20 different players. That’s poor management he’s just been surrounded with, which isn’t his fault. I haven’t noticed an “attitude” from Marbury. He has clashed with many players before, but that’s just a result from all the losing. Keith Van Horn and Marbury left New York on good terms. In fact, Van Horn said “I had my best season playing under Steph.” Quentin Richardson and Marbury had some problems last year, but that was just a result of the losing. Everyone had issues with each other, but Marbury’s problems were just heavily scrutinized because he’s the media’s scapegoat. Q and Marbury are on good terms now. The “best point guard” thing was blown out of proportion too. The media asked him if he was the best point guard in the league and he just said yes. It’s not like Marbury was terrible either; he was averaging roughly 22/8 when that comment was made. And Marbury always wants to be the best at everything he does whether it’s basketball or even dressing. Marbury gave credit to Nash, Kidd, and some of the elite point guards in the league, but many people forget about that part. And how can you hate a guy for giving back to the community like he does. Yes, I know pretty much every player gives to the community and charities, but not like him. What rich athlete do you know who sells $15 sneakers? Or paid all of the barbers in Coney Island to give kids free haircuts? I’m also pretty sure he gave the biggest donation in the NBA towards the Hurricane Katrina efforts. He also broke down in tears when talking about the whole debacle in Louisiana. Marbury is genuine and is probably the most involved when it comes to assisting the community, but people seem to conveniently forget about that part too.
I like Gilbert, I think he's good for the game, the NBA has been lacking a quality character like him. It's a nice break away from the idiots like Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, Stephon Marbury etc.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC187 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I like Gilbert, I think he's good for the game, the NBA has been lacking a quality character like him. It's a nice break away from the idiots like Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, Stephon Marbury etc.</div> How is Marbury an idiot? If that's the case, how isn't Gilbert more idiotic than Marbury?
<div class="quote_poster">Carter Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Lebron James: Way too much overhyped. League treats him as God. He gets all the call and when he hit Wade on accident he didn't get suspended, but when Kobe hit Ginobli on accident he got suspended. Gilbert Arenas: Right when I was starting to like the guy, he goes out and makes stupid comments. He is way too confident. I don't hate Arenas, I just find him annoying at times.</div> There is no special treatment, what Kobe did was more flagrant even though I didn't agree with it.
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, it's really not Lebron's fault he's getting hype; he's a marketable star. I just don't agree with him being placed as a greater superstar than Wade in many people's eyes when Wade has proven himself more in this league. The only year of which I would agree that Lebron surpassed him would be thier rookie years. Edit: Oh, and Steve Francis (former star) and Marbury are two of the players I REALLY dislike in this game. I couldn't stand Marbury from the moment that he called himself the best point guard in the league, Actually, scratch that, I had preconcieved notions about him even before that.</div> Oh yeah I forgot about you. You basically said the same thing I did... You're not morally superior, you have stupid biases as well. In fact I wouldn't even say I dislike Steve Nash that much either.
I dislike Dirk after the comments he made about "giving away" the championship. Also LeBron's hype is dying down thank the Lord but its still pretty bad.
