I wrote this for the Starbury haters last year. Hopefully that will dispel some of the fictitious labels unfairly placed on him: http://www.justbball.com/forums/showpost.p...940&postcount=2
<div class="quote_poster">scorbutic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I hate certain types of players: Ballhogs: AI, McGrady, Marbury, Francis </div> Is there a player who has the ball in his hands more than Steve Nash?
Damn, posts in this thread can really aggrevate you. Arenas? Pierce? Carmelo and AI? No one said Jermaine O'Neal. I use to like this guy, but until a recent article I think he's a punk who think's he's got everybody down. <div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I bet a large group of kids here hate a baller for stupid reasons. No need to single any group out. The LeBron hate is the most retarded imo, because unlike Nash, he has actually been one of the top three players in a season at the age of 21. If I were running a company, I'd also market the hell out of a beast like him.</div> Personal. If Karma said Kobe you could insert his name into huevon's post. If you can say there's nothing wrong with hating Nash, I can have my reasons for disliking LeBron. <div class="quote_poster">Playmaker15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I dislike Dirk after the comments he made about "giving away" the championship. Also LeBron's hype is dying down thank the Lord but its still pretty bad.</div> I agree. I dislike LeBron and Jermaine (still respect their games) and can't stand Dirk
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I wrote this for the Starbury haters last year. Hopefully that will dispel some of the fictitious labels unfairly placed on him: http://www.justbball.com/forums/showpost.p...940&postcount=2</div> One could write something similar about Stephen Jackson but it won't change anyone's opinion of him. Two incidents have given him a reputation he'll never be able to shake but I've never heard anything but compliments about him from teammates and coaches. People already have their minds made up.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">One could write something similar about Stephen Jackson but it won't change anyone's opinion of him. Two incidents have given him a reputation he'll never be able to shake but I've never heard anything but compliments about him from teammates and coaches. People already have their minds made up.</div> I don't remember Marbury ever getting in trouble with the law unlike Stephen Jackson. Most of Marbury's detractors are oblivious to his positive traits. And his negative traits are blown way out of proportion by the media.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It still baffles me how anyone can dislike Steve Nash.</div> Thank you I can't think of any superstars I dislike because I personally define the term superstar as some one I like. But if I had to choose I might go with Artest I like the guys play and hustle on D but the way he acts and always gets in to trouble makes it seem that he is ungrateful for his wealth and position in life, maybe he has good reason to act this way but I don't know that reason as a fan.
Not superstars but two players that come to mind are Ricky Davis for shooting on his own basket to try to get a triple double and Nate Robinson bouncing the ball to himself. I hate selfish players.
<div class="quote_poster">Eclipse Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Not superstars but two players that come to mind are Ricky Davis for shooting on his own basket to try to get a triple double and Nate Robinson bouncing the ball to himself. I hate selfish players.</div> Nate Robinson missing a fancy dunk doesn't make him a selfish player. I've seen Allen Iverson, Michael Jordan, Vince Carter, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, and many other players mess up on similar flashy moves.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC187 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I like Gilbert, I think he's good for the game, the NBA has been lacking a quality character like him. It's a nice break away from the idiots like Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, Stephon Marbury etc.</div> Yea, I like Arenas because there's nobody in the NBA quite like him. He also knows how to market himself: "gonna score 50 against Portland," The one hand shootout against Stevenson, between the leg dunk ... The kind of things people are going to talk about the next day.
Saying I'm gonna score 50 against Portland and ending up scoring 9 against them is somewhat idiotic, no?
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Saying I'm gonna score 50 against Portland and ending up scoring 9 against them is somewhat idiotic, no?</div> Yeah, I would say. I have a problem with him saying he's going to drop 50 on the team that Colangelo owns (Denver?) because he cut him from the U.S. team. That kind of bitterness is what a loser would show. Memo to Gil: it probably wasn't personal, show some class.................... the correct response: "I'm disappointed I couldn't take part, but I will root for the team, and hopefully will be able to try to play for my country next time out" NOT: "the coaches cut ME? i'm going to show them up in their building..."
He uses that as motivation, c'mon .. think about it. Nobody is that dumb. <div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Saying I'm gonna score 50 against Portland and ending up scoring 9 against them is somewhat idiotic, no?</div> It is, but he has proven himself as a superstar in the NBA.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Is there a player who has the ball in his hands more than Steve Nash?</div> Umm..... ballhogging and chucking up shots is different than being a good point guard who distributes the ball and leads the nba in assists..... ???
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nate Robinson missing a fancy dunk doesn't make him a selfish player. I've seen Allen Iverson, Michael Jordan, Vince Carter, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, and many other players mess up on similar flashy moves.</div> Well you get some leeway when you score 25-35 points a night (as these guys do) and which Nate does not. When you're playing 18 minutes a game, you don't try that stuff. Whenever I see him play he tries to take the whole game over by himself. BTW: Why do you feel the need to defend every single Knick player whenever anyone says anything remotely negative about them? You call someone who says they don't like Marbury a "hater" and yet you say you don't like Nash because he is overhyped and overated? You tell everyone how much Marbury has done for the community. Have you ever looked at how much Nash does for the community? I bet you anything you would LOVE Nash if he was on the Knicks. Somewhat hypcoritical, no? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"Don't get me wrong, I love Jason Kidd, he is a great point guard," Marbury said. "(But) how am I comparing myself to him when I think I'm the best point guard to play basketball? That makes no sense. I can't compare myself to somebody when I already think I'm the best."</div> Wasn't Marbury overhyped coming out of college and highschool? Hasn't Marbury himself contributed to hype himself by calling himself the best point guard to play basketball, which he obviously is not?
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I would say. I have a problem with him saying he's going to drop 50 on the team that Colangelo owns (Denver?) because he cut him from the U.S. team. That kind of bitterness is what a loser would show. Memo to Gil: it probably wasn't personal, show some class.................... the correct response: "I'm disappointed I couldn't take part, but I will root for the team, and hopefully will be able to try to play for my country next time out" NOT: "the coaches cut ME? i'm going to show them up in their building..."</div> I like that he wants to play for his country and was upset with the cut.
<div class="quote_poster">igotask8board Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Personal. If Karma said Kobe you could insert his name into huevon's post. If you can say there's nothing wrong with hating Nash, I can have my reasons for disliking LeBron.</div> I just think it's worse to hate LeBron (compared to Nash who's not nearly as good as James and has multiple MVPs), but I understand how you feel completely.
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Umm..... ballhogging and chucking up shots is different than being a good point guard who distributes the ball and leads the nba in assists..... ???</div> True. I just thinking "ballhogging" is the wrong term. Because, technically, Nash hogs the ball more than anyone. Just not in a bad way.
How one can sit here and defend Marbury is beyond me. The guy is a terrible team player. Every team he has gone too has absolutely sucked. He ruined the Suns, Nets, and Knicks (well, the Knicks suck in general). He's not a team player and individually, I don't think he's on the level of Billups, Arenas, Paul, Deron Williams, Baron Davis (arguable), J Rich, Marion, etc. Just because Marbury does good for his community doesn't mean jack, wasn't he too selfish to help his cousin when he needed help?
Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Shaquille O'Neal, Carmelo Anthony, Tony Parker, Steve Francis (though not much of a superstar anymore), and plenty more. Those are at the top of my list though.
<div class="quote_poster">Eclipse Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well you get some leeway when you score 25-35 points a night (as these guys do) and which Nate does not. When you're playing 18 minutes a game, you don't try that stuff. Whenever I see him play he tries to take the whole game over by himself.</div> I don't care that you dislike Robinson. You just said he was selfish because he missed on a flashy dunk, which isn't true. Almost every player, regardless of status (star, 6th man, 12th man, etc.) gets flashy sometimes and don?t convert. And in the beginning of the season Nate was playing meaningful minutes. Often times the Knicks would feed off of flashy plays and make runs. That?s not a selfish play?just a thoughtless one. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">BTW: Why do you feel the need to defend every single Knick player whenever anyone says anything remotely negative about them?</div> The only player which I?ve defended was Stephon Marbury. Like I said, it doesn?t bother me that you don?t like Nate; I was just saying not converting on a flashy dunk attempt is not a selfish play. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You call someone who says they don't like Marbury a "hater" and yet you say you don't like Nash because he is overhyped and overated? You tell everyone how much Marbury has done for the community. Have you ever looked at how much Nash does for the community? I bet you anything you would LOVE Nash if he was on the Knicks. Somewhat hypcoritical, no? </div> I never said I didn?t like Steve Nash. My quote clearly states: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It's not like I don't like Steve Nash as person or as a player, I just don't like all the hype surrounding him.</div> You?re right. If Nash was a Knick I would love it and the hype would probably not bother me at all. But isn?t that the same for every fan and their respective team? I think LeBron James is overhyped ? especially in his younger days ? but it didn?t bother Cavalier fans. I?ve actually been very fond of his game since Dallas. Nash has helped me take a number of people?s money in NBA 2K2 to 2K4. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Wasn't Marbury overhyped coming out of college and highschool? Hasn't Marbury himself contributed to hype himself by calling himself the best point guard to play basketball, which he obviously is not?</div> If you don?t like Marbury because you think he?s overrated, then fine. My responses were mostly directed towards the people who don?t like Marbury because: ?I don't know why, I just cant stand him? or calling Stephon Marbury an idiot with no sort of explanation why. <div class="quote_poster">Mamba:</div><div class="quote_post">How one can sit here and defend Marbury is beyond me. The guy is a terrible team player. Every team he has gone too has absolutely sucked. He ruined the Suns, Nets, and Knicks (well, the Knicks suck in general). He's not a team player and individually, I don't think he's on the level of Billups, Arenas, Paul, Deron Williams, Baron Davis (arguable), J Rich, Marion, etc. Just because Marbury does good for his community doesn't mean jack, wasn't he too selfish to help his cousin when he needed help?</div> Clearly you didn?t read my response to scrobutic, so I?ll simply repost it just for you: ?The Nets were already horrible before Marbury arrived there. His first year in New Jersey was an adjustment, but after the Nets? poor start, the Nets were around .500 their last 60 or so games. The next season here was the story: Van Horn broke his ankle and missed 33 games, Kenyon Martin had a bad knee and missed 14 games, Kerry Kittles missed the entire season, Kendall Gill missed 51 games, and Marbury himself missed 15 games. The very next season the Nets acquired Richard Jefferson, Jason Collins, Todd MacChulloch, and their players for the most part were healthy. In Phoenix, Marbury started the season without Clifford Robinson, Tony Delk, and Rodney Rogers who combined for 40.6 points. All three of those players played with Jason Kidd the previous year. It must also be mentioned that the Suns? didn?t have a legit center, which is very important playing in the West. The following year, after acquiring Stoudemire, the Suns made the playoffs and took the NBA champion Spurs to 6 games. The next year Marbury was traded as of January 5, so his tenure in Phoenix that year should be negated. When he went to New York the Knicks did well that year, but Isiah continued to make all types of changes, which disrupted chemistry. From 03-04 to the present, Marbury has had 7 coaches and has played with at least 20 different players. That?s poor management he?s just been surrounded with, which isn?t his fault. I haven?t noticed an ?attitude? from Marbury. He has clashed with many players before, but that?s just a result from all the losing. Keith Van Horn and Marbury left New York on good terms. In fact, Van Horn said ?I had my best season playing under Steph.? Quentin Richardson and Marbury had some problems last year, but that was just a result of the losing. Everyone had issues with each other, but Marbury?s problems were just heavily scrutinized because he?s the media?s scapegoat. Q and Marbury are on good terms now.? Answer me this: how is Kobe ? your favorite player ? more of a team player than Marbury? Players and coaches alike have criticized him for being selfish, egotistical, etc. After Shaq?s departure, which Kobe definitely contributed to, the Lakers have been decent at best. Kobe was also charged with a felony and cheated on his wife. Is defending Kobe "beyond you" too? Marbury and Kobe both have many unlikable traits, but too bad Kobe isn?t an option. Great job in sticking up for your favorite player! Secondly, how is Jason Richardson, who is currently averaging 14.1 points on 39.5% shooting, 31.5% from downtown, on a whopping 14 shots per game, better than Marbury? I think you probably want to rethink that, buddy. The rest of the players you named are all-stars and all-star caliber players, so it?s not a bad thing to say Marbury isn?t better than them. And about the Telfair/Marbury ?issue?, Marbury has his own needs: he has two parents, I believe six or seven siblings, a wife, children, nieces, nephews, etc. He has his own financial needs and he did provide some financial support for Telfair, who would soon be signed to a $30-million dollar Addidas contract. The two remain on good terms. And saying it doesn?t mean jack Marbury does good for his community is downright silly. I don?t even think I?ll justify that statement with a response. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It is, but he has proven himself as a superstar in the NBA.</div> I agree. I just don't see how NTC thinks Arenas isn't an idiot and Marbury is.
