So I'm going for a jumpshot........ the defender runs at me and initiates contact..... I then pull out an axe and decapitate him. It's not my fault though, he initiated contact. shapecity, your favoritism towards Kobe Bryant never ceases to amaze me. If someone initiates contact on a jumpshooter, it's grounds for calling a foul, not grounds for flailing your arms in a completely irrelevant direction and hitting the defender in the face. Oh, I'm SURE it was an accident this time as well. Besides, Manu and Jaric did nothing out of the ordinary. Kobe did. I was actually a little shakey in saying that Kobe deserved a 1 game suspension last time..... but this just cements it for me. He deserves a 2-3 game suspension in my opinion. Regardless of whether he really wants to hit people in the face, or if he just has an absolutely crazy after shot flailing motion. Maybe next time I play basketball, I will instinctively throw my elbows after a rebound. I will catch someone in the jaw and knock them unconscious, but it's ok because he initiated contact by trying to steal the rebound from me. It's also a motion I always do after a rebound. Please, show me 2 videos of the same person doing the exact same after shot movement, and injuring 2 people. And why bring up the past? The NBA is cleaning stuff up NOW. Sure Reggie Miller did what he did back then. You think Karl Malone and Barkley didn't do worse things? If you see someone do that TODAY, and not get suspended for it, then you have something. BTW Mamba, if you can't tell the difference between these 2 Kobe plays, and when Lebron hit Wade, you need to get yourself some spectacles.
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So I'm going for a jumpshot........ the defender runs at me and initiates contact..... I then pull out an axe and decapitate him. It's not my fault though, he initiated contact. shapecity, your favoritism towards Kobe Bryant never ceases to amaze me. If someone initiates contact on a jumpshooter, it's grounds for calling a foul, not grounds for flailing your arms in a completely irrelevant direction and hitting the defender in the face. Oh, I'm SURE it was an accident this time as well. Besides, Manu and Jaric did nothing out of the ordinary. Kobe did. I was actually a little shakey in saying that Kobe deserved a 1 game suspension last time..... but this just cements it for me. He deserves a 2-3 game suspension in my opinion. Regardless of whether he really wants to hit people in the face, or if he just has an absolutely crazy after shot flailing motion. Maybe next time I play basketball, I will instinctively throw my elbows after a rebound. I will catch someone in the jaw and knock them unconscious, but it's ok because he initiated contact by trying to steal the rebound from me. It's also a motion I always do after a rebound. Please, show me 2 videos of the same person doing the exact same after shot movement, and injuring 2 people. And why bring up the past? The NBA is cleaning stuff up NOW. Sure Reggie Miller did what he did back then. You think Karl Malone and Barkley didn't do worse things? If you see someone do that TODAY, and not get suspended for it, then you have something. BTW Mamba, if you can't tell the difference between these 2 Kobe plays, and when Lebron hit Wade, you need to get yourself some spectacles.</div> I will look for video footage on youtube, but one recent hard foul that didn't result in a suspension was Shaq laying out Marvin Williams the other night. I bring up the past, because I preferred how the game was officiated in the past. I like the hard fouls, I like retaliation fouls, I don't like this hands off pansy basketball the NBA has become. If Jaric wants to play defense with his face then he has to expect to get hit.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">. It's really unfair for Kobe to be scrutinized, because he's not the only player who flails his arms after a jump shot, trying to draw a foul. Reggie Miller made a career out of kicking his legs out to draw contact. </div> And yet, his flailing arms are the only ones that seems to connect with other player's faces. Unless you can show a case where another player did the same thing and wasn't suspended, there's no double standard.
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So I'm going for a jumpshot........ the defender runs at me and initiates contact..... I then pull out an axe and decapitate him. It's not my fault though, he initiated contact. shapecity, your favoritism towards Kobe Bryant never ceases to amaze me. If someone initiates contact on a jumpshooter, it's grounds for calling a foul, not grounds for flailing your arms in a completely irrelevant direction and hitting the defender in the face. Oh, I'm SURE it was an accident this time as well. Besides, Manu and Jaric did nothing out of the ordinary. Kobe did. I was actually a little shakey in saying that Kobe deserved a 1 game suspension last time..... but this just cements it for me. He deserves a 2-3 game suspension in my opinion. Regardless of whether he really wants to hit people in the face, or if he just has an absolutely crazy after shot flailing motion. Maybe next time I play basketball, I will instinctively throw my elbows after a rebound. I will catch someone in the jaw and knock them unconscious, but it's ok because he initiated contact by trying to steal the rebound from me. It's also a motion I always do after a rebound. Please, show me 2 videos of the same person doing the exact same after shot movement, and injuring 2 people. And why bring up the past? The NBA is cleaning stuff up NOW. Sure Reggie Miller did what he did back then. You think Karl Malone and Barkley didn't do worse things? If you see someone do that TODAY, and not get suspended for it, then you have something. BTW Mamba, if you can't tell the difference between these 2 Kobe plays, and when Lebron hit Wade, you need to get yourself some spectacles.</div> I've seen the video of Kobe flailing his arms (a few seasons ago) against the Jazz and drew a foul ; so he does do that to get the ref to blow his whistle. However, I would like for him to stop, because people are going to look down on him for the contact that keeps occuring. He would be wise to take that away from his game, he doesn't need it. This is probably the last time he'll do that. Kobe needed some rest anyway after logging in so many minutes yesterday, heh.
I love Kobe, prolly my favorite player in the league. But even I can't defend him on that one lol. He OBVIOUSLY popped Jaric on purpose. Maybe it's not worth a suspension but c'mon guys, he definatley intentionally did that. Theres no way he accidently flailed his arms and landed a very crushing blow to Jaric's nose. However, I do agree that if that were Lebron the league wouldn't have paid it any mind.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I love Kobe, prolly my favorite player in the league. But even I can't defend him on that one lol. He OBVIOUSLY popped Jaric on purpose. Maybe it's not worth a suspension but c'mon guys, he definatley intentionally did that. Theres no way he accidently flailed his arms and landed a very crushing blow to Jaric's nose. However, I do agree that if that were Lebron the league wouldn't have paid it any mind.</div> Yeah this time it seemed a little dirty (like a 1970's Oakland Raider type of move). But at least he's not soft; I like hard fouls (that don't cause damage in the long run to the opposing player).
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I love Kobe, prolly my favorite player in the league. But even I can't defend him on that one lol. He OBVIOUSLY popped Jaric on purpose. Maybe it's not worth a suspension but c'mon guys, he definatley intentionally did that. Theres no way he accidently flailed his arms and landed a very crushing blow to Jaric's nose. However, I do agree that if that were Lebron the league wouldn't have paid it any mind.</div> I agree, Kobe intentionally flails his arm, but what's debatable is the reason why? and also is he the only one in the league doing it?
when i was watchin this live, i knew he would be suspended. it was the exact same thing he did on manu. i thought manu's was unintentional but after seeing this, i think both were intentional. he does such a good job of making it seem by accident. its gonna be a pretty ugly game tonight, we need smush to step up big
<div class="quote_poster">hugelakersfan8 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i thought manu's was unintentional but after seeing this, i think both were intentional. </div> yeah the one on Jaric I have to say looks intentional but I think Marko will live. looks like Kobe's picked up a few tricks from Bruce Bowen.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"As players, we know during a game when someone is trying to hurt you or be mean, and I never thought that was what was happening. So I'm really surprised by the decision," Minnesota's Marko Jaric told me this afternoon via cell phone about an hour after the NBA announced Bryant's one-game suspension. Jaric said his only scar from the incident was a small marking above his eye, which is probably pretty fortunate since the elbow from Bryant gave Jaric a bloody nose, and as anybody who's ever been struck in the nose knows, a black eye often comes next. Just ask Manu Ginobili, who walked around with a shiner for two weeks after getting hit by Bryant's elbow in the Jan. 28 incident that previously earned Bryant a one-game suspension. "I haven't seen the replay, but if you ask me what I thought about the play when it happened, I don't think he did it intentionally, and I don't think players should be suspended for things that happen unintentionally," Jaric said. "I think he was trying to draw a foul, and he swung his hand out to make it look dramatic, and he hit me by accident. He apologized right after." Jaric said the pain from the strike was only a "2 or 3" on a scale of 1 to 10.</div> There you go.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There you go.</div> You just...... don't get it, do you shapecity? It's the same thing Manu said. And it's the RIGHT thing to say. You would have to be a complete idiot to run your mouth off and say it was on purpose, when in fact you do not know for sure. Not to mention it would make you look like a poor sport. And it's easier to tell watching in slow motion replays from outside as opposed to Jaric telling us if Kobe did it on purpose. I'm sure it was on accident..... twice.....
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You just...... don't get it, do you shapecity?</div> I have no idea what you are talking about man. Shape is one of, if not, the most intelligent and non-biased Laker fan I've ever seen. Unlike most Laker fans, he isn't a Kobe jock rider.
<div class="quote_poster">Bobcats Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I have no idea what you are talking about man. Shape is one of, if not, the most intelligent and non-biased Laker fan I've ever seen. Unlike most Laker fans, he isn't a Kobe jock rider.</div> Co-sign, Shapecity is my hero, and definitely the most knowledgable cat on the forum
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You just...... don't get it, do you shapecity? It's the same thing Manu said. And it's the RIGHT thing to say. You would have to be a complete idiot to run your mouth off and say it was on purpose, when in fact you do not know for sure. Not to mention it would make you look like a poor sport. And it's easier to tell watching in slow motion replays from outside as opposed to Jaric telling us if Kobe did it on purpose. I'm sure it was on accident..... twice.....</div> Why can't you just accept Jaric's direct quote at face value? By your logic, if Jaric had said he felt the suspension was justified, that would make it the WRONG thing to say? "As players, we know during a game when someone is trying to hurt you or be mean, and I never thought that was what was happening." This quote should sum it up for you.
This reminds me of how you responded to Manu Ginobli's comments. How do you know it was intentional? If a player comes out and says it wasn't, then it wasn't. Why must you go through all the bullcrap and talk about how "he was just saying the right thing." If Marko Jaric didn't think it was intentional, then let's leave it at that. After all, he was the one that got hit in the face, not you or me.
If Jaric would have said that YES, the suspension was RIGHT, and that Kobe hit him INTENTIONALLY, then yes, I think that would have been a bad move on Jaric's part. But common sense told him to play it right. But I'll stop since once again it is obvious that nothing will change your mind. I wonder how many noses Kobe needs to break... Edit: Brian, I don't know with 100% certainty that it was intentional. No one does. And by that I mean HITTING JARIC and Manu. The flailing of the arms by itself is intentional because he is trying to draw the foul or whatever. I think he deserves the suspension this time either way. And it SHOULD remind you of how I responded in the Manu thread. Kobe did the EXACT same thing.
IF Jaric himself says it wasn't intentional, the argument is over... Marbire, if Jaric is only saying the "right" thing to say, he could just say "i have no comment about that, or thats for the league to figure out" if he really thought he did it intentionally.
Why would it be a bad move if Jaric said he agreed with the call, or said it's up to the league to decide, not his, or some other cliche athletes use? Assuming Jaric really did feel Kobe tried to hurt him intentionally, isn't it worse for Jaric to lie about it to the media and then bad mouth Kobe in private?
