Im really dissapointed in the Lakers right now,Sixers fans were counting on them to stop our winning streak.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">We're going to get annihilated, even if Kobe plays. Honestly, I think this is Kobe's way of saying F you to Mitch and the Lakers. He supposedly wanted a change at the deadline and didn't get it. I don't think he cares about this season. Kobe and Phil told the team that he wasn't going to bail them out this year and I don't think they believed him. They should start, because they're wasting his time out there.</div> I hope that's not true. It would only confirm all the nasty things the "Kobe haters" were saying about him after the Suns series last year.
Interesting to say the least. I wonder if old Stu is going to whip out the rule book again. It looked like a minor hit (a little intentional), but didn't hurt anyone so I think he should be let off. In the old NBA, giving someone a little nudge to get them off your nuts was okay.
Well anybody who watches Kobe play regularly knows that that move he made was a natural basketball move for him. He does it regularly to clear space when he's driving.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well anybody who watches Kobe play regularly knows that that move he made was a natural basketball move for him. He does it regularly to clear space when he's driving.</div> You aren't serious are you?
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, it's definetly not something that warrants a suspension IMO, but neither were the first two. If he got suspended for hitting Jaric and Ginobli, I don't see him getting away with this one. Again, it doesn't warrant a suspension. But seeing it's Kobe, Stu Jackson and David Stern will probably suspend him for 5 games</div> Its not like they HATE Kobe, be real. Its like the 3rd damn time.
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You aren't serious are you?</div> Kobe does do that a lot to create space, you can't avoid doing it when someone is ALL OVER you like Korver was. I guess Kobe got unlucky that it hit Korver's nose. If Kobe doesn't get suspended, thank Korver for not falling to the floor and be thankful that the next game was on national TV.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Its not like they HATE Kobe, be real. Its like the 3rd damn time.</div> But this would concede you agree with the first two suspensions, which Brian and most Laker fans don't. The elbow to Korver was the only one I felt warranted a suspension. There's no justification for Kobe swinging his elbow that high up while dribbling the basketball.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">But this would concede you agree with the first two suspensions, which Brian and most Laker fans don't. The elbow to Korver was the only one I felt warranted a suspension. There's no justification for Kobe swinging his elbow that high up while dribbling the basketball.</div> I didn't agree with the first one, but I agree with the 2nd one. I mean .. the more it happens, the more people there are going to be that agree with the suspensions. I thought he tried to draw a foul but RESULTED in Jaric getting hurt, unintentional or intentional, I am not going to judge... but it was the 2nd time.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe does do that a lot to create space, you can't avoid doing it when someone is ALL OVER you like Korver was. I guess Kobe got unlucky that it hit Korver's nose. If Kobe doesn't get suspended, thank Korver for not falling to the floor and be thankful that the next game was on national TV.</div> No he doesn't, and yes he could have avoided it by not swinging his elbow that high up. Kobe does use an elbow to create space and protect the ball, but it's not necessary to raise it that high up. If you watch the video, the first elbow is what Kobe typically does, but the second elbow that caught Korver in the face was out of the ordinary. Korver isn't exactly a shorty either. Korver is an inch taller than Kobe, so to compare stand next to someone an inch taller than you and look how high you have to swing your elbow to hit them in the face.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I didn't agree with the first one, but I agree with the 2nd one. I mean .. the more it happens, the more people there are going to be that agree with the suspensions. I thought he tried to draw a foul but RESULTED in Jaric getting hurt, unintentional or intentional, I am not going to judge... but it was the 2nd time.</div> Look at what you just wrote. You didn't agree with the first one, but you agreed with the second one. They were the exact same play, how come one time you think it's ok, but the second time it's not?
I didn't agree with the first two suspensions, even though I thought they were a weak attempt to get a call. At most, they were fine-worthy. However, this elbow's too blatant to not elicit a suspension. He isn't even shooting, so he can't use the excuse of his "natural motion." I also got to give Korver major props for staying in the play even after he got that cheapshot.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Look at what you just wrote. You didn't agree with the first one, but you agreed with the second one. They were the exact same play, how come one time you think it's ok, but the second time it's not?</div> The first situation was completely different, 4th quarter and 2 seconds remaining... Kobe basically hit Ginobili trying to get the ball in desperation. The other one against Jaric was just unnecessary. You should consider the situations instead of just "what happened." <div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No he doesn't, and yes he could have avoided it by not swinging his elbow that high up. Kobe does use an elbow to create space and protect the ball, but it's not necessary to raise it that high up. </div> He does or he doesn't? Take a stand. My point was Kobe does swing his arm ... I mean even I do it when someone is all over me playing defense. Its a "get off of me" kind of move. I still say its unlucky that it connected with Korver's face. <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I also got to give Korver major props for staying in the play even after he got that cheapshot.</div> Yup. If he had went down, it would've definitely increased Kobe's chances of getting suspended. <div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well anybody who watches Kobe play regularly knows that that move he made was a natural basketball move for him. He does it regularly to clear space when he's driving.</div> Thank you! It certainly is ... I mean .. Korver was all over Kobe.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No he doesn't, and yes he could have avoided it by not swinging his elbow that high up. Kobe does use an elbow to create space and protect the ball, but it's not necessary to raise it that high up. </div> He does or he doesn't? Take a stand. My point was Kobe does swing his arm ... I mean even I do it when someone is all over me playing defense. Its a "get off of me" kind of move. I still say its unlucky that it connected with Korver's face.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The first situation was completely different, 4th quarter and 2 seconds remaining... Kobe basically hit Ginobili trying to get the ball in desperation. The other one against Jaric was just unnecessary. You should consider the situations instead of just "what happened." </div> It doesn't matter what the situation is... it's the EXACT same play...
<div class="quote_poster">Eternal Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It doesn't matter what the situation is... it's the EXACT same play...</div> The situation makes a LOT of difference. You HAVE to take that into consideration. 1st incident - Kobe was trying to keep Manu away from the loose ball to try to hit the game(winning or tying, dont remember) shot and on the other hand, with Jaric .. not necessary at all. 1st incident was flat out .. IN THE MOMENT. Couple of seconds to go in the game ... Kobe has to find a way to get the ball up there ..
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The situation makes a LOT of difference. You HAVE to take that into consideration. 1st incident - Kobe was trying to keep Manu away from the loose ball to try to hit the game(winning or tying, dont remember) shot and on the other hand, with Jaric .. not necessary at all. 1st incident was flat out .. IN THE MOMENT. Couple of seconds to go in the game ... Kobe has to find a way to get the ball up there ..</div> No the situation makes no difference at all, and it never would make a difference. You don't have to take into consideration all of the side factors. Kobe IMO got a bad deal from the first suspension, but had to get suspended for the play on Jaric since they were identical, which is why he was suspended again.
<div class="quote_poster">Eternal Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No the situation makes no difference at all, and it never would make a difference. You don't have to take into consideration all of the side factors. Kobe IMO got a bad deal from the first suspension, but had to get suspended for the play on Jaric since they were identical, which is why he was suspended again.</div> From your first statement, you're telling me both the situations were similar. And then you tell me Kobe got a bad deal on the first one? If they were so SIMILAR to you, why is it a bad deal? You're proving my point here... first one was in a different SITUATION.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">From your first statement, you're telling me both the situations were similar. And then you tell me Kobe got a bad deal on the first one? If they were so SIMILAR to you, why is it a bad deal? You're proving my point here... first one was in a different SITUATION.</div> Your looking at it totally wrong here... Kobe got a bad deal from BOTH of the calls. He had a bad call from the first incident... so they obviously had to suspend him from the second one, since it was the same play. I'm not going by situation at all on when and where the foul took place. The only difference between the two is the play with Manu happened before the Jaric foul. Kobe should not have been suspended for either...
You guys need to watch Kobe more, honestly. I'm not defending this elbow, because I think it does warrant a suspension, but that's a natural basketball move for him. He clears space like that all the time.
