Invalid Video Link This is probably the most "unnatural" basketball move I've seen. If he isn't suspended, Stu Jackson goes against everything he stated when he suspended Kobe. Kobe'll get suspended for this! When we visited Milwaukee, Kobe showed Bogut how to push! Btw, what happened to Bogut? Wasn't he supposed to be the next Duncan?
Bogut hasn't been given much of a chance to become a big-time center, and this incident surely won't help. What a stupid move by Bogut. It's not a sly move like Kobe pulls, it's just an idiotic shove at the end of an embarassing loss. It appears that Bogut has quite a bit of growing up to do, as does this team. That said, it's no worse or immature than Kobe's actions, so I don't know why it has to be immediately compared to him. I'm sick of the talk about Kobe's elbow as it is! LOL
I'm sick of the elbow talk to. The only thing I ask for is for the league to be consistent. If they suspend Kobe...fine by me, as long as other players are getting suspended for their dangerous acts.
Mamba, do you really not understand why Kobe was suspended, or are you just in denial? Twice, Kobe nailed someone cleanly, square in the face. You continually ignore this in your attempts to uncover a double standard.
I don't ignore anything, like Shape, I'm asking for the NBA to be CONSISTENT with their rulings. You're telling me that shoving a player as big as Bosh in the back while he's driving towards the rim isn't dangerous? I've got no problem with the league suspending Kobe, at all. The first time should've been a fine...the second time, I can understand. I absolutely hate the inconsistencies of Stu Jackson though. He let Shaq get away with murdering Marvin Williams and LeBron get away with decapitating Wade. There has been no mention of the league checking out Devean George for his elbow on Sasha last night or Dirk for pushing Kobe in the back. Where was the league last year when Kobe nailed Dirk in the face when he drew a foul Where was the league last year when Bynum and Shaq went back and forth with each other? All of a sudden, the league is deciding to lay down the law? Consistency, my friend, is all I'm asking for. BTW, did you not see my post right above you? I don't see any denial there...
That was a push to the back/arm, while Kobe's was an elbow to the face. While the shove by Bogut was no small thing, and it could have really hurt Bosh, an elbow to the face is still looked at much harder by the league.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> BTW, did you not see my post right above you? I don't see any denial there...</div> Perhaps I wasn't clear. Kobe got punished for hitting defenders square in the face. It's been established for a while that such contact is treated differently by the league than shoving/elbowing someone below the neck area.
An accidental elbow (the first one at least) has a lot less intent of harm than a shove in the back to Bosh, who is 6'11 (?), driving to the basket. The intent was there, the foul was a lot worse than the elbow.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">An accidental elbow (the first one at least) has a lot less intent of harm than a shove in the back to Bosh, who is 6'11 (?), driving to the basket. The intent was there, the foul was a lot worse than the elbow.</div> Intent is more clear in this case, sure. But intent isn't what got Kobe suspended.
I was watching that game, and I just didn't understand where that came from with Bogut, like what was that? That's dangerous stuff man, a guy can really get injured with a move like that.
Man, really though. Get over the Kobe suspension. He hit someone in the face .. now these kind of hard fouls on the BODY happen ALL the time.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Man, really though. Get over the Kobe suspension. He hit someone in the face .. now these kind of hard fouls on the BODY happen ALL the time.</div> Let's put a hypothetical out there. If Kobe had done this to another player, do you think the league would suspend him? Durvasa, what are your comments about Mutombo elbowing Delonte West the other night, which resulted in a concussion?
This isn't even slightly comparable to what Kobe did. Nice try though... I agree 100% with durvasa and Bahir. Altohugh, PERSONALLY, I think Bogut should get a fine or a 1 game suspension for just being an idiot. Not because what he did is comparable to what Kobe did. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Consistency, my friend, is all I'm asking for</div> Consistency THIS SEASON, you mean? If you wanna keep bringing up things that happened in different seasons, then the list could go on forever. All you talk about is Lebron "decapitating" Wade, but I've watched the video many times and it did not deem a suspension IMO. And I have yet to see the Shaq and Marvin Williams thing...
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This isn't even slightly comparable to what Kobe did. Nice try though... </div> I believe the term is "unnatural basketball act."
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Let's put a hypothetical out there. If Kobe had done this to another player, do you think the league would suspend him? </div> Probably would have, because he's under the spotlight right now .. and its his fault he's under the spotlight.. <div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Durvasa, what are your comments about Mutombo elbowing Delonte West the other night, which resulted in a concussion?</div> Intent or result, intent or result? Which are you going by Shape? You just asked Durvasa about Mutombo's elbow to Delonte ... which RESULTED in a concussion. If you go by that, then ... you're going against yourself because Bogut's push on Bosh didn't RESULT in anything.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I believe the term is "unnatural basketball act."</div> I actually wrote a paragraph out about that but I decided to delete it and not post it because I didn't want to start more arguements. You've never seen players push other players? Did this unnatural act hit someone in the face? Pushing someone and elbowing someone in the face is completely different, regardless of intent, as Kobe was not suspended based on intent like durvasa pointed out.
Bosh said afterwards that Bogut was playing dirty the entire game (elbows, cheapshots, etc.). I've been a fan of Bogut, but this clearly was a stupid move on his part. I think it was a combination of frustration with his role in Terry Stotts' offense and with his poor performance in that game. That said, I don't think this deserved a suspension. A fine at most, but it wasn't as dangerous as it could've been. I think one factor that nobody has yet to point out is that there's a different standard for post players and guards. I don't think its as applicable in this situation, but guard's get protected enough as it is. And if Kobe's been taking cheapshots with his elbows more than once, then it's definitely going to get more attention that a dirty push by a couple of low post players.
I do think Bogut should be suspended. Not because this was an unprecedented violent act - players push and shove each other all the time, and usually it's broken up quickly. This didn't even get to that. Bogut took his cheap shot, TJ came up and said something, and nothing else happened physically. However, consistency is the key here. Bogut can't be allowed to just shove a guy for no reason, just like Kobe can't swing his elbow just because somebody is playing tight D. I hope that Bogut does sit for a game, because he needs to realize that he can't pull that sort of crap. I also think this is a hit to Bogut overall. He's not the most intimidating guy, but he plays physically. Now, he'll be known as a guy who can get frustrated and throw a cheap shot. Which sucks. Good going, Andrew.
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I actually wrote a paragraph out about that but I decided to delete it and not post it because I didn't want to start more arguements. You've never seen players push other players? Did this unnatural act hit someone in the face? Pushing someone and elbowing someone in the face is completely different, regardless of intent, as Kobe was not suspended based on intent like durvasa pointed out.</div> so what you saying is pushing someone does not warrant a suspension but an accidental elbow in the face should? Has that pushing result in Bosh falling down hard, do you think Bogut should be suspended? Other thing that nobody realize is when a player "intentionally" trying to grasp and foul Shaq, he sometime swings his arm unnaturally and often time misses. But the NBA doesn't seem to make a big deal outta of it. Why? The point is if Kobe swings his arm and miss, there would be no suspension. But since his elbow accidentally lands on someone face, it is unfortunate that the NBA must take the appropriate action by suspending him. The same goes to Bogut's play.
