Mine would go something like this 10-6 Bengals 10-6 Steelers 8-8 Browns 6-10 Ravens( even with Stevie Mac Billick's once Dominant D grows another year older they struggle to compete)
How about 1) Ravens 12-4 - Mcnair goes down in preseason 2) Steelers 11-5 - Wild card 3) Bwngals 8-8 - step back 4) browns 5-11 - crennel on hot seat
Wait a minute.....McNair goes down in pre-season? He is the only reason that anyone is giving the Ravens a chance to compete this year. They will not win 12 games even with him healthy. Second, there is now way you can convince me that the Bengals will finish third if Palmer is healthy. As far as the Black and Gold goes, I might be able to live with 11 wins this year. With the schedule handed to the AFC North this year, 11 wins will probably win the division. cant wait for the Bengals / Steelers battle this year
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>Wait a minute.....McNair goes down in pre-season? He is the only reason that anyone is giving the Ravens a chance to compete this year. They will not win 12 games even with him healthy. Second, there is now way you can convince me that the Bengals will finish third if Palmer is healthy. As far as the Black and Gold goes, I might be able to live with 11 wins this year. With the schedule handed to the AFC North this year, 11 wins will probably win the division. cant wait for the Bengals / Steelers battle this year</div> Palmer isn't healthy and he probably won't be ready until Week 4. A lot of the Bengals season depends on Palmer's health and right now, I wouldn't bet on him starting the first few games. With the schedule they have and without Palmer. The Bengals are going to fall behind fast.
Word is now, Palmer could be ready by week 1, He's practicing and even doing the 11-11 drills! He's several months ahead of schedual.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>Wait a minute.....McNair goes down in pre-season? He is the only reason that anyone is giving the Ravens a chance to compete this year. They will not win 12 games even with him healthy. Second, there is now way you can convince me that the Bengals will finish third if Palmer is healthy. As far as the Black and Gold goes, I might be able to live with 11 wins this year. With the schedule handed to the AFC North this year, 11 wins will probably win the division. cant wait for the Bengals / Steelers battle this year</div> I think boller will do just fine. The D will be back to form, and the bengals and steelers will both take a step back. The browns are comptetion and ravens have easier schedule
I dont know about Boller, I consider him Joey H MK-II and I consider Aaron Rodger Joey Mk-III so yeah, Boller has a rifle of an arm and has the skills but can he put it all together? Im not sure he could under Billick, he may need a change of Scenery like Joey but who knows if that has even helped him yet.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>Wait a minute.....McNair goes down in pre-season? He is the only reason that anyone is giving the Ravens a chance to compete this year. They will not win 12 games even with him healthy. Second, there is now way you can convince me that the Bengals will finish third if Palmer is healthy. As far as the Black and Gold goes, I might be able to live with 11 wins this year. With the schedule handed to the AFC North this year, 11 wins will probably win the division. cant wait for the Bengals / Steelers battle this year</div> I think boller will do just fine. The D will be back to form, and the bengals and steelers will both take a step back. The browns are comptetion and ravens have easier schedule</div> Boller hasnt played well and has a serious confidence problem. The Ravens know this, thats why they wanted McNair so badly. The D will be back to form? That defense is getting older and older......I love it actually....next time you watch a Ravens game watch what Ray Lewis does...he gets knocked on his ass and jogs behind the play more than ever.... and if you are going to say two of the best teams in the NFL will both take a step back this year, at least give a reason why....the Browns are competition? that says absolutely nothing....Ravens have an easier schedule? by what? one game? they play the same division we play...come on man back up your statements with something....I cant argue with one word claims..... or should I say...."Detroit will win the NFC because they will be good"
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>Wait a minute.....McNair goes down in pre-season? He is the only reason that anyone is giving the Ravens a chance to compete this year. They will not win 12 games even with him healthy. Second, there is now way you can convince me that the Bengals will finish third if Palmer is healthy. As far as the Black and Gold goes, I might be able to live with 11 wins this year. With the schedule handed to the AFC North this year, 11 wins will probably win the division. cant wait for the Bengals / Steelers battle this year</div> I think boller will do just fine. The D will be back to form, and the bengals and steelers will both take a step back. The browns are comptetion and ravens have easier schedule</div> Boller hasnt played well and has a serious confidence problem. The Ravens know this, thats why they wanted McNair so badly. The D will be back to form? That defense is getting older and older......I love it actually....next time you watch a Ravens game watch what Ray Lewis does...he gets knocked on his ass and jogs behind the play more than ever.... and if you are going to say two of the best teams in the NFL will both take a step back this year, at least give a reason why....the Browns are competition? that says absolutely nothing....Ravens have an easier schedule? by what? one game? they play the same division we play...come on man back up your statements with something....I cant argue with one word claims..... or should I say...."Detroit will win the NFC because they will be good"</div> Actually they have it by 3 games By finishing 3rd, they play the 3rd place teams from other divisions instead of 1st and 2nd like steelers and bengals. it is common sense, no need to spell it out, unless speaking with someone who is ignorant and moronic. I didnt think you were, but if you wish to correct me, let me know, and i will post accordingly
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> I think boller will do just fine. The D will be back to form, and the bengals and steelers will both take a step back. The browns are comptetion and ravens have easier schedule</div> Boller hasnt played well and has a serious confidence problem. The Ravens know this, thats why they wanted McNair so badly. The D will be back to form? That defense is getting older and older......I love it actually....next time you watch a Ravens game watch what Ray Lewis does...he gets knocked on his ass and jogs behind the play more than ever.... and if you are going to say two of the best teams in the NFL will both take a step back this year, at least give a reason why....the Browns are competition? that says absolutely nothing....Ravens have an easier schedule? by what? one game? they play the same division we play...come on man back up your statements with something....I cant argue with one word claims..... or should I say...."Detroit will win the NFC because they will be good"</div> Actually they have it by 3 games By finishing 3rd, they play the 3rd place teams from other divisions instead of 1st and 2nd like steelers and bengals. it is common sense, no need to spell it out, unless speaking with someone who is ignorant and moronic. I didnt think you were, but if you wish to correct me, let me know, and i will post accordingly</div> Now you are taking shots at me?? the intraconference games that correspond to the teams placement in the division only account for TWO games on the schedule. So...you are saying a 6-10 Baltimore team will go to 12-4 and the Steelers will take a step back because Baltimore will play two third place intraconference teams and Pittsburgh will play two second place teams? You really think that's significant enough for you to reference Baltimore's "easier schedule"?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'> Boller hasnt played well and has a serious confidence problem. The Ravens know this, thats why they wanted McNair so badly. The D will be back to form? That defense is getting older and older......I love it actually....next time you watch a Ravens game watch what Ray Lewis does...he gets knocked on his ass and jogs behind the play more than ever.... and if you are going to say two of the best teams in the NFL will both take a step back this year, at least give a reason why....the Browns are competition? that says absolutely nothing....Ravens have an easier schedule? by what? one game? they play the same division we play...come on man back up your statements with something....I cant argue with one word claims..... or should I say...."Detroit will win the NFC because they will be good"</div> Actually they have it by 3 games By finishing 3rd, they play the 3rd place teams from other divisions instead of 1st and 2nd like steelers and bengals. it is common sense, no need to spell it out, unless speaking with someone who is ignorant and moronic. I didnt think you were, but if you wish to correct me, let me know, and i will post accordingly</div> Now you are taking shots at me?? the intraconference games that correspond to the teams placement in the division only account for TWO games on the schedule. So...you are saying a 6-10 Baltimore team will go to 12-4 and the Steelers will take a step back because Baltimore will play two third place intraconference teams and Pittsburgh will play two second place teams? You really think that's significant enough for you to reference Baltimore's "easier schedule"?</div> Yes. There isnt a lot of difference between 1st and last in NFL. I dont think i took a shot at you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> Actually they have it by 3 games By finishing 3rd, they play the 3rd place teams from other divisions instead of 1st and 2nd like steelers and bengals. it is common sense, no need to spell it out, unless speaking with someone who is ignorant and moronic. I didnt think you were, but if you wish to correct me, let me know, and i will post accordingly</div> Now you are taking shots at me?? the intraconference games that correspond to the teams placement in the division only account for TWO games on the schedule. So...you are saying a 6-10 Baltimore team will go to 12-4 and the Steelers will take a step back because Baltimore will play two third place intraconference teams and Pittsburgh will play two second place teams? You really think that's significant enough for you to reference Baltimore's "easier schedule"?</div> Yes. There isnt a lot of difference between 1st and last in NFL. I dont think i took a shot at you.</div> so...just to be clear, the only reason Baltimore will go from 6-10 to 12-4 is because of those two games in which they play "easier" teams than Cincy and Pittsburgh????
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'> Now you are taking shots at me?? the intraconference games that correspond to the teams placement in the division only account for TWO games on the schedule. So...you are saying a 6-10 Baltimore team will go to 12-4 and the Steelers will take a step back because Baltimore will play two third place intraconference teams and Pittsburgh will play two second place teams? You really think that's significant enough for you to reference Baltimore's "easier schedule"?</div> Yes. There isnt a lot of difference between 1st and last in NFL. I dont think i took a shot at you.</div> so...just to be clear, the only reason Baltimore will go from 6-10 to 12-4 is because of those two games in which they play "easier" teams than Cincy and Pittsburgh????</div> Thats not what i said. Only a moron would boil it down to one reason
No, what a moron would do is predict that the Ravens will win 11 games, then predict that they do it without McNair. McNair is the Ravens only significant improvement from last season. THE reason that alot of people around the NFL are giving them a chance to be competitive is because they went out and got a proven veteran QB, something they have really never had in Baltimore. To project them to win 11 games in one of the toughest divisions in football is bold, to predict they do it with Boller is just stupid. or do you want to go back to your brilliant easier schedule argument?
my fault, you said 12 games....that makes it even worse. I am willing to bet you can't even find a Raven fan that will tell you Boller can win 12 games for this team in the North......
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>my fault, you said 12 games....that makes it even worse. I am willing to bet you can't even find a Raven fan that will tell you Boller can win 12 games for this team in the North......</div> Let me break it down for you like this. 1) there defense has all the talent it needs to be great. Just as good as the bears were last year 2) Is boller better than orton? I think so. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. 3) Boller has a winning record as a starter. So, saying it is unreasonable that he couldnt 12 games is ridiculous. Saying he cant get better is dumb, he was a first rd pick with a monster arm. Maybe, Since you are a steelers fan you are biased and are unwilling to concede anything, and me being a bearsfan and completely unbiased to both teams can see the truth
Boller has NEVER had sustained success in the NFL. THE reason that everyone is talking about the Ravens is McNair. It is absolutely ridiculous to say they will win 12 games...but they will do it with the same guys they had last year when they sucked. They could really contend with McNair.....without him they have not and would continue to suck.....You have nothing to base Boller winning 12 games on, he has never had success....just tell me whats different that would make him good this year when he hasn't been able to do it until now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>my fault, you said 12 games....that makes it even worse. I am willing to bet you can't even find a Raven fan that will tell you Boller can win 12 games for this team in the North......</div> Let me break it down for you like this. 1) there defense has all the talent it needs to be great. Just as good as the bears were last year 2) Is boller better than orton? I think so. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. 3) Boller has a winning record as a starter. So, saying it is unreasonable that he couldnt 12 games is ridiculous. Saying he cant get better is dumb, he was a first rd pick with a monster arm. Maybe, Since you are a steelers fan you are biased and are unwilling to concede anything, and me being a bearsfan and completely unbiased to both teams can see the truth</div> 1.)The ravens had a good defense last year and they sucked 2.)Comparing him to the Bears possible 2nd string QB makes no sense. 3.)Saying he can get better by working with the second string offense all preseason is dumb dude, he didnt have success when he practiced with the starters. Lastly, Why would me being a Steelers fan have anything to do with thinking that the Ravens will only win with McNair behind center? Its not as if I am refusing to admit they will be any good this year. I just think Boller sucks and your argument likewise sucks.
Right now the browns need a Center, Bentley is gone for the season, his backup retired, and the 3rd stringer is out the first 4 games of the season for violating the substance abuse policy.
