<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">My only question walking out of practice Tuesday was $25,000 or $50,000. It?s hard to imagine how Phil Jackson doesn?t get fined for painting the picture of a league that has a ``vendetta?? against Kobe Bryant and twice using the term ``witch hunt.?? Jackson certainly had his feelings on the NBA?s decision to assess Bryant a flagrant foul penalty 1 for catching Philadelphia?s Kyle Korver in the face with an elbow in Friday?s game. If you want to play David Stern, here are Jackson?s unedited comments: Q: Were you happy about the league just giving Kobe a flagrant 1? Jackson: It shouldn?t have even been a flagrant 1. That?s crazy. That?s a vendetta. They have a witch hunt going on. That?s nuts. A guy?s riding somebody. Everybody does that in this league. It?s just becoming a witch hunt now. Q: Do you have any idea why? Jackson: I think that obviously once something happens like that and a lot of videotape starts floating around and people are making cuts of things that are happening, there?s a lot of focus on him. Q: Have you guys sent in tape to the league of him doing the arm motion on his shot? Jackson: Not that I know of, unless Mitch (Kupchak) has asked our video guy to do that. We?re just collecting things right now. Q: Is it worrisome when these incidents involving Kobe have been no call, loose ball foul and no call on the court and you end up with two one-game suspensions and a flagrant foul? Jackson: It is an after the fact type of thing. That is bothersome. They have (the) advantage of looking at videotape. We wish that they would correct some of the mistakes they make in ballgames the same way. There?s a couple games that probably could be swung, won or lost, by some of the calls if they?d correct them after the fact. But you can?t do that in the game. Q: Stu Jackson said after the second suspension that he didn?t need to consult with the referees because he could watch the video replay. Do you think they should talk to the actual referees before they do something? Jackson: You?d think that would happen, just off-hand. Even the details of the (Marko) Jaric foul, from what I understand, Jaric got on his arm before he got to the ball. So the shot?s coming, he hits his arm. Kobe?s reacting to his hand. The whole play ensues. If a referee sees that, he might have called the first foul and not the second. A lot of referees will let a touch of the arm go if a guy pulls his hand back when his shooting motion begins. I mean, that?s how our game?s become. In those situations, the referee might have said, `Hey, he hit his arm first and Kobe reacted to that first arm touch and tried to draw the foul. But it doesn?t look like they?re making that accommodation at all.</div> Source
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Even the details of the (Marko) Jaric foul, from what I understand, Jaric got on his arm before he got to the ball. So the shot’s coming, he hits his arm. Kobe’s reacting to his hand. The whole play ensues.</div> That sounds like a shapecity arguement. Jaric hits Kobe's arm first, so this means Kobe has the right to swing his arm wildy and elbow Jaric in the face! Memo to other NBA players: Do not touch Kobe while he's shooting. An elbow to the face will most likely ensue. (But then again, if you don't touch him, you might get called for a foul anyway..... ie the Utah Jazz game....)
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That sounds like a shapecity arguement. Jaric hits Kobe's arm first, so this means Kobe has the right to swing his arm wildy and elbow Jaric in the face! Memo to other NBA players: Do not touch Kobe while he's shooting. An elbow to the face will most likely ensue. (But then again, if you don't touch him, you might get called for a foul anyway..... ie the Utah Jazz game....)</div> Absolutely, and I would also add, don't play defense with your face in the NBA. If you watch the replay in x-mo slow motion, you'll actually see Jaric was trying to bite Kobe's elbow.
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That sounds like a shapecity arguement. Jaric hits Kobe's arm first, so this means Kobe has the right to swing his arm wildy and elbow Jaric in the face! Memo to other NBA players: Do not touch Kobe while he's shooting. An elbow to the face will most likely ensue. (But then again, if you don't touch him, you might get called for a foul anyway..... ie the Utah Jazz game....)</div> so what you're saying is, it's okay for the defender to make illegal contact, but it's not okay for the offensive player to attempt to benefit from that illegal contact. sorry, but that's not how the game works. kobe may have inadvertently hit him in the face, but he initiated the contact, ie he assumes that risk. are all jazz fans this bitter? granted we did beat your team at 60% strength, but it's a little pathetic how bitter you come across.
<div class="quote_poster">yodawgsup Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">so what you're saying is, it's okay for the defender to make illegal contact, but it's not okay for the offensive player to attempt to benefit from that illegal contact. sorry, but that's not how the game works. kobe may have inadvertently hit him in the face, but he initiated the contact, ie he assumes that risk. are all jazz fans this bitter? granted we did beat your team at 60% strength, but it's a little pathetic how bitter you come across.</div> Sure it's fine for a player to get close to another player, or to touch a players elbow, or whatever. It's called a foul. And no, it's not ok for Kobe to swing his arms wildly into people's faces whether it be on purpose or in attempt to "benefit from the illegal contact." And there's like 3 Jazz fans on this entire board so I doubt you could make the assumption that all Jazz fans are bitter.
<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Sure it's fine for a player to get close to another player, or to touch a players elbow, or whatever. It's called a foul. And no, it's not ok for Kobe to swing his arms wildly into people's faces whether it be on purpose or in attempt to "benefit from the illegal contact." And there's like 3 Jazz fans on this entire board so I doubt you could make the assumption that all Jazz fans are bitter.</div> Right, it's called a foul, but you know as well as I do that in game-ending situations, such fouls are rarely called; it is then perfectly legal for the offensive player to accentuate the hit, to make it visible for the refs. That's what Kobe did, and unfortunately, he ended up accidently hitting Jaric in the face. He was rightly called for the foul, but there was nothing wrong with his strategy; in fact, it is routinely employed by other great players. You don't seem like a very knowledgable fan, man. Your entire schtick is nothign more than endlessly chanting of "you can't swing wildly into people's faces because it's...wrong!" but you seem hardpressed to understand the rationale behind the situation.
<div class="quote_poster">BigBalleR8 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Marbire just leave already, you're really annoying</div> lmao, seriously. This guy doesn't give up, we've already heard what he has to say about the situation, yet feels he has to come by the Laker forum 20 times a day to keep on repeating himself. Enough is enough brother, let's move on.
I understand the rationale behind the situation perfectly. I know that by flailing his arms Kobe is accentuating the foul. The problem is that players like Kobe, Vince, Wade, and MANY MORE do those movements even when they AREN'T fouled. And it's called flopping. And it really pisses me off. That's another story though. And I stand by my point. I don't care FOR WHAT REASON you flail your arms - if you hit someone in the face, accept the consequences. Once is fine, but twice? in the same month? I see it no different than throwing your elbows after a rebound. It's done for a reason - to clear space. But if you hit someone in the face, you got something else coming at you. And I wouldn't keep coming back if Kobe didn't keep elbowing people!
Hey guys, lets prevent this from turning into a flame war. Everyone has their opinion whether you like it or not, so just live with it. If you don't like what he's saying, you don't have to read it nor do you have to respond to it. So please, lets keep this conversation mature and lets not get out of hand with this.
