<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>I have to agree with SF. The Seahawks would have to lose to the Steelers again before I would consider the Seahawks a better team.</div> So, same deal as Broncos and Pats. Eh?</div> What are you talking about. The Pats are still the better team. Denver can beat New England all they want but New England is still a better team. It is the will of Football Gods.</div> Or the major media which is, conveniently, based in the Northeast where shockingly the Pats are located. I smell a conspiracy. ROFL.
Jets at #31 is that a joke..... sure there is the QB controversy but what about their defense its a DAMN GOOD defense. the funniest thing is at 28 i see the Bills, on the Bills its saids JP or Holcolm or Nall sooo who has the better situation Bills or Pennington, Ramsey or Clemons, personally i'd go with the Jets QBs. Jets will gain more respect throughout the season i think and it doesnt really matter to me I love where the team is going and i think soon we are gonna pick it up right where we left off
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>Power Rankings: 1. Seahawks 2. Superbowl Officiating Crew 3. Steelers That looks about right... As an aside, I can't believe these guys have the Lions rated higher than the Packers. *laughs* Riiiiiiiiight...</div> Ya know the packers aren't all that good And hard it is me to just say that.. the lions have firepower if they can get rolling.. but the packers will ALWAYS be in contention aslong as #4 is at the helm.. Mediocre team bad team the packers always have a chance aslong as Farve is running the Offense
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>As for the Super Bowl officials, name me one bad call that actually changed the game? The push-off? it was a push off even if it is rarely called. The holding call? was ticky tacky but was still holding. or the goal line touchdown challenge? would have gotten it on 4th and 1 inch. Bottom line, the bad calls swing both ways. Every team withstands them now and then, just look at the Steelers in the Indianapolis game. If you are looking for someone to blame look at The TE Stevens who dropped how many passes? or Hasselback who made the bad throws. You might as well jump on the Steeler bandwagon now. Otherwise its gonna run your ass over......</div> 1 call that changed the game??? how about the piss poor call they made on hasslebeck for tackling someone???? yea know the chop block call???? stupid freaking call.. i don't think it changed anything extensivly but it was a bad call.. there were some bad calls there but its over and done Steelers are the champs end of story
dallas at 7, owens wont raise the team from the depths of hell, philly was already a good team before he showed up, this writer is pretty generous
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>Power Rankings: 1. Seahawks 2. Superbowl Officiating Crew 3. Steelers That looks about right... As an aside, I can't believe these guys have the Lions rated higher than the Packers. *laughs* Riiiiiiiiight...</div> Ya know the packers aren't all that good And hard it is me to just say that.. the lions have firepower if they can get rolling.. but the packers will ALWAYS be in contention aslong as #4 is at the helm.. Mediocre team bad team the packers always have a chance aslong as Farve is running the Offense</div> Lions have very little offensive fire power. They have high draft picks not talent. Ryan Leaf was a high draft pick. Does that make him talent. I don't think so. The Lions need to rebuild, starting with a QB. If they can get Quinn, cut Rodgers, cut M.Williams, maybe straighten out Roy Williams, trade Kevin Jones (who is always hurt and overrated) start Brian Caulhon, and find a #2 WR. Then they'll have fire power for the future.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>Power Rankings: 1. Seahawks 2. Superbowl Officiating Crew 3. Steelers That looks about right... As an aside, I can't believe these guys have the Lions rated higher than the Packers. *laughs* Riiiiiiiiight...</div> Ya know the packers aren't all that good And hard it is me to just say that.. the lions have firepower if they can get rolling.. but the packers will ALWAYS be in contention aslong as #4 is at the helm.. Mediocre team bad team the packers always have a chance aslong as Farve is running the Offense</div> Lions have very little offensive fire power. They have high draft picks not talent. Ryan Leaf was a high draft pick. Does that make him talent. I don't think so. The Lions need to rebuild, starting with a QB. If they can get Quinn, cut Rodgers, cut M.Williams, maybe straighten out Roy Williams, trade Kevin Jones (who is always hurt and overrated) start Brian Caulhon, and find a #2 WR. Then they'll have fire power for the future.</div> Ryan Leaf had a shit load of talent, and so do the lions they just don't use it to the full potential.. Kevin Jones could be a very good back if someone would block for him, Roy williams is a good reciver if he would apply himself more, Rogers is an absolute bust but he has talent, Mike williams is to slow, Marcus pollard is still a good TE They have the talent to win.. they just don't
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'> Ya know the packers aren't all that good And hard it is me to just say that.. the lions have firepower if they can get rolling.. but the packers will ALWAYS be in contention aslong as #4 is at the helm.. Mediocre team bad team the packers always have a chance aslong as Farve is running the Offense</div> Lions have very little offensive fire power. They have high draft picks not talent. Ryan Leaf was a high draft pick. Does that make him talent. I don't think so. The Lions need to rebuild, starting with a QB. If they can get Quinn, cut Rodgers, cut M.Williams, maybe straighten out Roy Williams, trade Kevin Jones (who is always hurt and overrated) start Brian Caulhon, and find a #2 WR. Then they'll have fire power for the future.</div> Ryan Leaf had a shit load of talent, and so do the lions they just don't use it to the full potential.. Kevin Jones could be a very good back if someone would block for him, Roy williams is a good reciver if he would apply himself more, Rogers is an absolute bust but he has talent, Mike williams is to slow, Marcus pollard is still a good TE They have the talent to win.. they just don't</div> I disagree. Everyone thinks high Draft picks are going to be good. They're is a difference in being good in the NFL and in college. The Lions have a bunch of college studs who got drafted high. Only Roy Williams and maybe Kevin Jones if he stays healthy, have potential too be any good in the NFL. I think Caulhon can as well if he gains some weight. Jones was always hurt in college as well, so the line can't be totally blamed for blocking for an undurable back. They do need an offensive line though.
Regardless of how much talent you think the Lions have or dont have, you are throwing around a handful of names that have the ability to be stars in the NFL. How many guys from the packers are going to make highlights this year? I have no doubt that the Lions will win more games than the Packers this year. The Packers had a terrible year last year and where did they improve this offseason??
Ok lets see, number one they are healthier than last year, the suffered season ending injuries to 3 significant HB Green, Davenport, Gado, Not to mention the 2 others that were each set to start, Walt Williams and ReShard Lee. 2 Widouts in Javon Walker and Terrence Murphy with Ferguson missing a good half of the season as well, Losing TE Bubba Franks mid season. Now on Defense they have acquired oft injured but talented Charles Woodson to allow Amahd Carroll more time to be groomed, NT Ryan Pickett who I think lead all D-linemen in tackles last year except for maybe Aaron Kampman who was their most consistent D-linemen last year whom was also re-signed, drafted the Best Linebacker in the draft A.J. Hawk, they have also switched their blocking scheme to the Zoneblocking Scheme which is the same that is used in Denver, Atlanta, and Now Houston, which requires athletic and alot of times smaller O-linemen who can move in space, which they have plenty of.
They are a far cry from what they once were. They have huge question marks at nearly every skill position. They don't have a solid receiving core, their number one receiver is coming off a huge injury. Who will start at RB? Two once great backs in green and davenport are question marks Favre can't do it alone, we have all seen that. I just dont see them doing much this year.
What Injury is Donald Driver coming off of? They traded Javon Walker to the Broncos if thats the Wideout your thinking of, They now have 1 Great number one receiver in Donald Driver, and several capable number twos, Ferguson has the abillity to be a number 2 but has dissapointed, Rod Gardener has all the abillity as well, not to mention Greg Jennings 2nd round draft pick, Marc Boerigter and Favre have seemingly grown a rapport in the OTAs as well so they have plenty of depth at receiver, just no true playmaker (yet) outside of Driver. At Running Back Samkon Gado will most likely start, He debuted with a 62 yard performance against the steelers and racked up 582 rushing yards in 5 starts. Green and Davenport if they come back healthy will both compete for the number 1 spot over Gado but Gado has the definate advantage over both them, being the healthiest of the 3, it is possible one of them may be cut in favor of Noah Herron at RB.
My mistake I got the two confused, so you have Driver coming back along with Gado, both of whom werent enough for Favre to win last year. So we double team Driver let Gado have his 62 yards and walk out with a win. You can't have sustained success in the NFL with one receiving threat and a mediocre RB. You have no tight end threat, one receiver and a RB that caught what 10 balls last year? Look, all I am saying is that the Lions are a better team on paper. That much you have to admit...and even Brett Favre is not going to win games with the kind of talent you are starting at the skill positions.
Can't say A.J. Hawk is a great talent just yet.. all u can say is he is a high draft pick.. only cause thats what was said about high picks
Hawk could be the next Bozz.. You never know. The Lions are running an offense where nothing fits into place. Jones and Caulhon could thrive in Martz offense but that's about it. Roy Williams, Mike Williams, and Charles Rogers don't fit at all at WR's. Corey Bradford is ahead of Mike Williams and Charles Rogers on the depth chart as is Eddie Drummond. John Clayton reported, Charles Rogers could be cut before the season and Mike Williams will see the field as the #4 or #5 WR. Yep. lot's of talent alright. (sarcasm) The Packers are just as talented as the Lions if not more. Lions and Packers I think will only finish 2 games apart in the standings. The Lions went 5-11 last year and they're big signing was two backup QB's, and Ross Verba. Green Bay added 3 solid players to their defense. Like him or not if Woodson stays healthy he is a solid #2 starting CB. Ben Taylor is more than capable of starting at SLB in this league. He had over 100 tackles last year and should benefit from playing along side Barnett. Ryan Pickett lead all Defensive lineman in tackles last year and is an upgrade of Grady Jackson. Green Bay improved at D-Line, DB, and at LB this year. Packers get Favre back who shouldn't have as bad as a year as he did last season. Favre just needs too mentally tell himself, to let other players win the game and he just needs to learn to manage the game better. He's obviously the wild card in the entire NFC North. Green, Davenport, and Gado are a deep backfield. You can't bash the Pack for having Green (because he's "injured") and say the Lions are better off with Kevin Jones who is one of the most injury prone backs in the NFL dating back to his early days at Virginia Tech. Green Bay has Donald Driver who is far more proven than any of the Lions receivers and as stated above, he's obviously a better player than Mike Williams and Charles Rogers. Roy Williams has the potential too be great, but maybe he should get his head into the game and work at it some more. Packers main concern on their entire team is the offensive line which is using the zone blocking scheme and if they gel, they got the personnel in place to make it work. I don't believe FP or I said Green Bay would win the division let alone the Super Bowl. In fact FP has us going 9-7 and I have us winning anywhere's from 7 to 9 games. Is it that far off too say the Packers will win more games than the Lions who are by far the league worse franchise this decade. No not at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (manofsteel)</div><div class='quotemain'>My mistake I got the two confused, so you have Driver coming back along with Gado, both of whom werent enough for Favre to win last year. So we double team Driver let Gado have his 62 yards and walk out with a win. You can't have sustained success in the NFL with one receiving threat and a mediocre RB. You have no tight end threat, one receiver and a RB that caught what 10 balls last year? Look, all I am saying is that the Lions are a better team on paper. That much you have to admit...and even Brett Favre is not going to win games with the kind of talent you are starting at the skill positions.</div> Bubba Franks not a Tight End threat? He's one of the best Blocking Tight Ends in the league, and rarely drops balls, He doesn't have Antonio Gates or Tony Gonzales speed but he's still a formidable matchup especially in short yard situations Shermans offense just phased him out alot the last two years or so, he was used mainly in the Red zone, this new offense which is closer to a real WCO will go with several two TE sets which means Bubba will see alot more action, along with Donald Lee. Then comes the new depth at Wideout I spoke of, Robert Ferguson has worked his butt off this off season so far and may finally(hopefully) have a decent year, now that he's two years removed from his major injury. The You have a very Solid Wideout in Marc Boerigter who could make a living as a very good 3rd receiever, at least better than what we had last year, I cannot even remember our receievers last year outside of Chatman, Driver, and Fergy, and then Gardner for the last few games. That brings me to Gardner who will certainly challenge for the Number 2 spot, he has all the skill but can he put it together? and then you have Greg Jennings our rookie 2nd rounder who is an ideal fit into this new WCO, runs crisp routes, will be great in the slot, very explosive, probably wont produce pro bowl numbers but should preform admirably in his role. Gados 62 yard game was his first nfl action, the next week he rushed for 100+ 2 tds and caught a shovel pass I believe, against Atlanta, touted for a strong Run defense, the Vikings were the only team to successfully stop Gado, he even had a 75-80 yard performance against the bears! There are some doubts about him carrying the load, but he knows the system, its what they ran at Liberty, Gado is very similar to Willi Parker, he can carry the load for ahwile but is going to need some help, ala Davenport and Green when healthy.
First of all, don't compare Gado to the starting RB for the super bowl champs, because he has no where near the speed and explosiveness that Parker has. Second Franks is not going to scare any defense this year, he will certainly not help Drvier any. The fact that you are telling me how crisp your WR is running routes in the OTAs as the basis of why you will win games tells me you got nothin. Let me ask you this, say some of your WRs do start to develop, say Gado becomes a good starting RB, say your young TE takes over the starting role. Wouldn't you rather that all happened along with your franchise QB of the future rather than Favre?? Brett Favre is only hurting this team by staying. They are not a playoff team. They need to develop their QB along with the rest of the team and be realistic in their chances of making the playoffs. Pretending that they can make any kind of run this year or next may end up hurting them a few years from now, after letting their QB miss valuable experience so Favre can keep heaving prayers down the middle of the field.
What are you gonna do if I compare Gado to Parker? You gonna cyber punch me or something? How much have you seen of Gado to even claim this, he's just asd fast runs a 4.4 timed speed and is bigger and probably more powerful, the only thing about him in question ar his natural instincts, Parker would not have been as effective if he didn't have the constant threat of the Bus behind him. We just gave Bubba an extension soi he's gonna be our starting Tight end for the next couple of years, and when your in the Red Zone and you have to cover a 6'6 monster thats gonna put a little bit of fear into you. Favre coming back gives this team the best chance to win any games, Aaron Rodgers still needs time to develop and I seriously doubt he becomes anything but we'll find that out eventually, and to say were not a play off team is rediculous, were in the NFC! and the NFC North for gosh sakes! This division is always wide open for contention.
Gado averaged 4.1 yards a carry last season behind an injury filled team... Yes parker averaged 4.7 but he had alot of help in big ben, and the bus, and mr. SB mvp hines ward.. the packers were dismal last season so for gado to come in and average 4.1 is impressive.. he did pretty good agianst the bears last year.. Pitt beat the hell out of us but if i remember correctly it was the bus who beat our ass.. parker on got like 60 some odd yards on 21 carries agianst the bears.. so if i had to choose i would rather have Gado..
Lets see......Samkon Gado....4.68 http://www.protrade.com/insight/InsightArt...=KRC2402427&x=x Willie Parker......4.30 games.espn.go.com/cgi/ ffl/playernewsarchive?statsId=7073 - 54k Now let me ask you this, what does Jerome Bettis have to do with how effective Parker was? If you mean because defenses have to prepare for two different style runners, then Pittsburgh still has that advantage with Staley ready to take over the power back position. If you want to compare last years stats, lets go right ahead. Gado does not compare in quickness and speed, that simple. Parker holds the NFL record for longest run in a superbowl and will be even better this year. Nobody around the NFL will compare Gado to Parker, he just doesnt have comparable skills.
