Portland vs. L.A. (Luke Probably Out)

<div class="quote_poster">jealous? Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Man just a day ago the Laker/Kobe fans were giving up on hope. Boycotting, and vowing not to watch anymore, NOW after only 1 win and a great performance from Kobe the "fans" come out of the wood-work sayin "Time for Kobe to take control the rest of the season. This is what seperates him from the rest of the stars in the NBA."...
ITS ONE WIN to a sorry team.

but even i give Kobe his props for last night although GOD was with him b/c most of those were jacks..</div>oh god... don't you have anything else better to do?

 

kobe to chicago in 09. maybe pax can get some better pieces to fit around kobe. And him coming to chicago would only complete his mission to be greater then mike.

 

where is the bait? i just think kobe will opt out.
And when he does he'll come to his idols team.
Then he can be exactly like mike

 

Oh sorry I didnt know.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Jealous? Stay out of here, plain and simple. You do nothing but bait. Consider this a warning, the next step will be a harsher consequence.

Individually, I'd take Kobe over Jordan any day of the week right now. He's simply amazing, but Kobe doesn't have the leadership skills that MJ had. Was MJ harsh? Yeah, but he got the job done. Kobe doesn't have the kind of help to get it done constantly.</div>

So this section of the forum is ONLY to worship kobe and the lakers.?
i cant put my opinion in there at all.?
trust me kobe is not GOD and there is bad with the good, and now i get the feeling you guys erase my posts so that everyone else can boast on how Kobe is flawless and its his weak help's fault for them losing.
i obviously do not care for Kobe but i will always tell it how it is just like the post deleted in this forum. i gave him his props.
all i was getting across is that to me its messed up that fans of his and the lakers turn thier backs when the lakers or kobe have a bad night and then come full force like they never walked away when he does above average in one game to a below 500 team.
i dont care how bad t-mac, Yao, or any player on the rockets played even in 10 games straight i would never turn my back and "boycott" my team.
i will give my word and definitly tone it down with the irreleavant stuff i say but it would be beyond ridiculous if you kicked me out or banned me.

 

<div class="quote_poster">jealous? Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So this section of the forum is ONLY to worship kobe and the lakers.?
i cant put my opinion in there at all.?
trust me kobe is not GOD and there is bad with the good, and now i get the feeling you guys erase my posts so that everyone else can boast on how Kobe is flawless and its his weak help's fault for them losing.
i obviously do not care for Kobe but i will always tell it how it is just like the post deleted in this forum. i gave him his props.
all i was getting across is that to me its messed up that fans of his and the lakers turn thier backs when the lakers or kobe have a bad night and then come full force like they never walked away when he does above average in one game to a below 500 team.
i dont care how bad t-mac, Yao, or any player on the rockets played even in 10 games straight i would never turn my back and "boycott" my team.
i will give my word and definitly tone it down with the irreleavant stuff i say but it would be beyond ridiculous if you kicked me out or banned me.</div>

It's unfortunate you put so much stock into expressing how dirty a player Kobe is. Now no one will talk about that for a while, or not nearly as much.

I don't think it's ironic Kobe exploded after having to deal with the touchy rulings.

 

<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's unfortunate you put so much stock into expressing how dirty a player Kobe is. Now no one will talk about that for a while, or not nearly as much.

I don't think it's ironic Kobe exploded after having to deal with the touchy rulings.</div>

the dirty part wont be over shadowed to me by anything he does. i truely despise dirty players. but i wont speak about that anymore cause i have been warned so ill just let my avy and sig show people.

 

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You have the right to express our opinions, but let's not make blanket statements about fans abandoning and boycotting the team.

I don't understand the energy you spend down playing Kobe's performance last night. As a fan of basketball you respect what he accomplished last night and sit back and soak in what you just witnessed. Tainting what he did is just cheating yourself.</div>

i gave the man his props, all i said somewhat bad was he jacked alot of the shots, but thats not too bad cause if you can jack and make then go for it. i always give him his props for any of his many accomplishments but i just hate to see or hear fans of his thinking he does no wrong.
and i just didnt pull out and assume people were boycotting and abandoning them, i read those from laker/kobe fans on this board. thats where it got to me when i read those.
i respect basketball more than most and thats why i really dont like people like that who jump on and off the bandwagon. i mean if your a fan of a team or person be that fan 110%.

 

<div class="quote_poster">jealous? Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">the dirty part wont be over shadowed to me by anything he does.</div>

Let's be realistic, it will (65 points, just days after the superfluous drama, is ridiculous). Nobody cares about Mike Miller or Chris Childs. Plus he was suspended two games, not 15.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
i truely despise dirty players. but i wont speak about that anymore cause i have been warned so ill just let my avy and sig show people.</div>

Uh right, I'll do the same.

 

You guys need to realize that you're team isn't going to win every game. They've had a ridiculous amount of injuries this year to key players (Kwame, Odom, Luke) and lets not forget that Mihm is still eating up a chunk of your cap to sit on the bench. You can't expect a patched-up line-up to come in and win every game. Look how succesful you were when healthy. Now you've lost players for large chunks of time and you have to give them time to get 100% and gel.

Look at the Nets, they've been injury-riddled all year, but I'm not going to B*tch whenever they lose a game to a bad team or about Kidd and Carter's supporting cast.

Its kind of ridiculous watching people complain after every loss and criticize the coaching of the best coach of all time. One game people praise Sasha or Smush or Kwame and the next they tear them down. Kobe has a prety good supporting cast, but they've all been injured or unhealthy all year. That happens sometimes and its nobodys fault so just deal with it.

 

<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Let's be realistic, it will (65 points, just days after the superfluous drama, is ridiculous). Nobody cares about Mike Miller or Chris Childs. Plus he was suspended two games, not 15.



Uh right, I'll do the same.</div>

well not to me it wont. i dont care about the media and what they think of him today or tomorrow. the media are fools anyway.
one elbow to a face no matter if a suspension followed or not will stick with me to label that guy as dirty. its ridiculous that a player has to stoop to that level to try and accomplish something. so i do not like people like that.

 

<div class="quote_poster">jealous? Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">well not to me it wont. i dont care about the media and what they think of him today or tomorrow. the media are fools anyway.
one elbow to a face no matter if a suspension followed or not will stick with me to label that guy as dirty. its ridiculous that a player has to stoop to that level to try and accomplish something. so i do not like people like that.</div>

Well I doubt many people like flagrant fouls but to make a sig about it is comical. That wasn't anything horribly awkward or special and many great players in the 80s/90s did it.

 

<div class="quote_poster">jealous? Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i gave the man his props, all i said somewhat bad was he jacked alot of the shots, but thats not too bad cause if you can jack and make then go for it. i always give him his props for any of his many accomplishments but i just hate to see or hear fans of his thinking he does no wrong.
and i just didnt pull out and assume people were boycotting and abandoning them, i read those from laker/kobe fans on this board. thats where it got to me when i read those.
i respect basketball more than most and thats why i really dont like people like that who jump on and off the bandwagon. i mean if your a fan of a team or person be that fan 110%.</div>

How's it somewhat bad that Kobe "jacked" up shots, when nobody else on the team was doing anything? If you score at least 50 points, you are going to "jack" up shots regardless, so there's nothing wrong with it at all. You could make that argument if everyone else was hitting, but they weren?t. The Lakers were going to lose the game if it wasn?t for Kobe ?jacking? up shots. He hit clutch baskets to allow the game to go into overtime, and ultimately give us the victory. Don?t come in and criticize Kobe when you have no idea what you?re talking about.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How's it somewhat bad that Kobe "jacked" up shots, when nobody else on the team was doing anything? If you score at least 50 points, you are going to "jack" up shots regardless, so there's nothing wrong with it at all. You could make that argument if everyone else was hitting, but they weren?t. The Lakers were going to lose the game if it wasn?t for Kobe ?jacking? up shots. He hit clutch baskets to allow the game to go into overtime, and ultimately give us the victory. Don?t come in and criticize Kobe when you have no idea what you?re talking about.</div>

i do know what im talking about. read the rest of the post after the part you bolded. i said its not that bad if your hitting. in a extreme shorter sense i was saying what you just wrote. but the somewhat bad is the fact that jacking is not a good thing 99% of the time. seriously, you cant think its always the right choice to do that when the rest of the team struggles,.. there are so many other options to try before jacking.
and players dont have to jack to get 50+..smart shooting actually works out better than jack-impulse shooting so the result would be better. but a turn around jumper from the baseline with two defenders on him is not a smart shotm but fortunately for him it was working.

 

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's the LA culture bro, the Lakers are an insignificant part of everything the city has to offer and a lot of Laker fans are casual ones who hop on and off the bandwagon depending on the success of the team.

However, there's a hardcore fan base, I've been a fan for over 20 years and I always support them.

As for Kobe, I agree I don't like fans who place him on a pedestal, but when he plays at a high level last night, why point out what he did wrong and just enjoy it?

I really think you should watch Kobe live from the cheap seats just one time, get a bird's eye view of the court, so you can see how advanced his game is to everyone else on the court. He's one of the best at getting to his comfort zones on the floor, and outworks everyone on most nights.

Kobe is not a dirty player, he's competitive and he does cross the line at times, but Kobe is more a throwback player and his physical approach stands out now because of the pansy nature the league has become. Just listen to the older players who are now TV analysts, when people ask them how they would do against teams of today, they all say they'd kick their butts, because this era of players is soft.

When Kobe Bryant was worked out by the Lakers before they traded for his draft rights, he went one on one with James Worthy. Testing Kobe's resolve, Worthy hit him with an elbow in the chest. The next time Kobe got the ball in the post against Worthy, he gave Worthy an elbow right back. He gained Worthy's respect after the incident, because no rookie the Lakers had worked out before went that far.

Some will view at as dirty, but others view it as competitive. Basketball is a physical game, a man's game, and if you can break a player's will by knocking them around and intimidating them then you do it.</div>

Wow shape I didn't know that, great insight. The league has definitely gone soft.