Luol Deng is a small forward. I like that trade idea Taurus, only Andre Barrett can't be traded. I also don't think that Malik Allen and Melvin Ely would be included from either side. San Antonio just picked up Ely not too long ago so I don't think they'll be willing to part with him already. Not sure what Finley could do for this team's guard rotation either, but I like the option of Scola playing for this team. If he's used correctly he should adapt quite easily.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Not sure what Finley could do for this team's guard rotation either</div> To me, along with needing a post-player we need a guy that can guard bigger guards and shoot.. I would like Eddie Jones but i doubt he will leave Miami. We have Thabo but he is more of just a defender and yet wont get much repect next season. Also instead of Skiles using Chris Duhon 2 guard 6'7+ guards we will have Michael Finley and 4 those who get mad like me because Gordon is not n because of this, Finley would add more points and we wont b giving up easy points due 2 a big height difference.
<div class="quote_poster">taurus515th Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">To me, along with needing a post-player we need a guy that can guard bigger guards and shoot.. I would like Eddie Jones but i doubt he will leave Miami. We have Thabo but he is more of just a defender and yet wont get much repect next season. Also instead of Skiles using Chris Duhon 2 guard 6'7+ guards we will have Michael Finley and 4 those who get mad like me because Gordon is not n because of this, Finley would add more points and we wont b giving up easy points due 2 a big height difference.</div> Michael Finley has passed his prime. Signing him would be quite useless with our guard rotation, just like forward Tim Thomas was when the Bulls picked him up. Skiles wouldn't play Finley. If we want to pick up a guard who can pick up larger guards on the defense then I think we should look elsewhere. We'll probably have a look at free agency next season if anyone decent is available or make a trade.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Michael Finley has passed his prime. Signing him would be quite useless with our guard rotation, just like forward Tim Thomas was when the Bulls picked him up. Skiles wouldn't play Finley. If we want to pick up a guard who can pick up larger guards on the defense then I think we should look elsewhere. We'll probably have a look at free agency next season if anyone decent is available or make a trade.</div> I think Skiles just didnt like Tim Thomas (since he isnt a hard worker and that was y he didnt play him because he could have played minutes at the PF position over Othella Harrington and Michael Sweetney. I c he has room 2 give Adrian Griffin this season as our 3rd SF (im not hating on Griffin just proving a point because i like wut Griffin brings to our team). Just because he is passed his prime doesnt mean he wont b useful. What about Chris Webber? Eddie Jones? Look how much they have helped their teams. Also i think Finley would get minutes imo, Paxson was looking into getting Bonzi Wells b4 the trade deadline and i doubt he would trade 4 him if he knew Skiles didnt have the minutes 4 him. He might not play 82 games but something reasonable. Kirk Hinrich/Chris Duhon Ben Gordon/Michael Finley/Thabo Sefolosha would be a very good guard rotation much better than this one Kirk Hinrich/Chris Duhon Ben Gordon/Jannero Pargo/Eric Piatkowoski
<div class="quote_poster">taurus515th Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think Skiles just didnt like Tim Thomas (since he isnt a hard worker and that was y he didnt play him because he could have played minutes at the PF position over Othella Harrington and Michael Sweetney. I c he has room 2 give Adrian Griffin this season as our 3rd SF (im not hating on Griffin just proving a point because i like wut Griffin brings to our team). Just because he is passed his prime doesnt mean he wont b useful. What about Chris Webber? Eddie Jones? Look how much they have helped their teams. Also i think Finley would get minutes imo, Paxson was looking into getting Bonzi Wells b4 the trade deadline and i doubt he would trade 4 him if he knew Skiles didnt have the minutes 4 him. He might not play 82 games but something reasonable. Kirk Hinrich/Chris Duhon Ben Gordon/Michael Finley/Thabo Sefolosha would be a very good guard rotation much better than this one Kirk Hinrich/Chris Duhon Ben Gordon/Jannero Pargo/Eric Piatkowoski</div> Skiles plays Griffin because he has good intangibles and one of the highest basketball IQs in the league. He's also on Skiles' favorites list. Skiles also mentioned over a year ago that he wants to focus on youth rather then vets because the current program this team has is based on drafted prospects, not veteran free agent signings. This is exactly how it has been for the most part, with the exception of Ben Wallace and getting Griffin back. If the Bulls can pick up a high caliber player then they would jump on it I'm sure. If they did actually pick up Bonzi or Finley though, they would've played either at the 3 since Noce is out and because they're larger then Gordon, Hinrich and Duhon and have more strength then Sefolosha. The whole point of picking up Bonzi from the get-go was to temporarily replace Noce while he's out since the bench doesn't have much of a spark right now. Have you checked the bench scoring numbers since Noce has been gone? It is pretty bad. If they were to pick up Finley in the off-season I personally won't mind, but his contract isn't worth it and if they don't play him in the end there would be no use. Also, Paxson doesn't have a say in who gets playing time, that's entirely Skiles' decision at game time. In the end even if Bonzi or Finley were on the team and they played a few games, their contracts are not worth a few games. The more cap space you have the better off you are especially considering the current talent this team possesses. Making long term signings with better players is the high road, this team isn't about to take the low road. Also why are you even mentioning Pike and Pargo when they're long gone now? They never got much playing time for a point. Pike came in to close out quarters and Pargo came on with a role similar to Khryapa's right now. The Bulls didn't have Sefolosha then either, hence the reason the team dropped the two. Don't worrying about the guard situation and start worrying about getting contracts signed for some of our key players at the end of this season. Once that is settled, then the team can move on to new territory. Off-season signing needs are definitely a power forward, backup center and big body guard. I also don't expect Duhon to be around much longer, so that would make room available. Though I don't want to see him go you just know he can be used as additional trade bait. Problem is, Hinrich is establishing himself as a shooter more these days so I don't know how that'd work without Duhon around to play the point more effectively.
With that Skiles quote i think that u might have misunderstood him. Skiles wants 2 focus on his youth so that Hinrich, Gordon, Duhon, Deng, Tyson, (when he was here) Nocioni, could all develop and having vets hes doesnt have 2 focus much on them because they should know their part. He said, this team is based on drafted prospects, not veteran free agent signings. Because we had more young players than we did veterans a little over a year ago so ur team was based on young prospects instead of free agents that Skiles would not mind having. I doubt Skiles doenst want anymore veteran for the fact that u want win a championship without about 3 or 4 vets. I could b wrong but this is wut i think he was saying. Michael Finley will only b making a little over 3 million next season which is not bad. I should b worried about our guard rotation when Skiles makes Duhon 6'1 guard guys like Kobe Bryant which is just giving up 7 inches and all Kobe has 2 do is shoot over him. Yea i should tho b more worried about our post-player which i did include in my trade Luis Scola and Melvin Ely.
<div class="quote_poster">taurus515th Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">With that Skiles quote i think that u might have misunderstood him. Skiles wants 2 focus on his youth so that Hinrich, Gordon, Duhon, Deng, Tyson, (when he was here) Nocioni, could all develop and having vets hes doesnt have 2 focus much on them because they should know their part. He said, this team is based on drafted prospects, not veteran free agent signings. Because we had more young players than we did veterans a little over a year ago so ur team was based on young prospects instead of free agents that Skiles would not mind having. I doubt Skiles doenst want anymore veteran for the fact that u want win a championship without about 3 or 4 vets. I could b wrong but this is wut i think he was saying. Michael Finley will only b making a little over 3 million next season which is not bad. I should b worried about our guard rotation when Skiles makes Duhon 6'1 guard guys like Kobe Bryant which is just giving up 7 inches and all Kobe has 2 do is shoot over him. Yea i should tho b more worried about our post-player which i did include in my trade Luis Scola and Melvin Ely.</div> I don't think so. Skiles was pretty direct in the interviews, twice on television and once in the paper about this. Still going on about his plan for the system after Tyson Chandler's departure as well. You must not follow the local news too much on the team though so its cool. Don't believe I agree with everything that he wants to do though, I'm still highly against not playing Khryapa after his impressive pre-season and pissed about his rotation system and I have been on about this ever since the beginning of the season. Skiles is quite biased, even though he is a good coach. I also don't know where you got the impression on not wanting any veterans. I mentioned already that if the Bulls could pick up a quality vet in free agency or through a solid trade deal I'm sure he'd see if Pax could jump on it and make it a reality. I don't think any coach or GM is reluctant to sign any vets, period. It all comes down to what they really need. Hence why they wanted Bonzi for the rest of the season. To replace Noce while he's out for what is likely the rest of the regular season. Also about Luis Scola, I've been going on about him ever since I watched him play foreign ball years ago. There is a thread in this forum about dedicated in supporting him possibly coming over to Chicago to play. He has a very solid relationship with Andr?s Nocioni and that tendem would be extremely dangerous in the front court. He may give up size, but he is very dangerous and extremely aggressive when he wants to be. He'd have to tone down his play a bit, but with some help from Nocioni he could adapt and become a solid player to replace P.J. Brown. This is why San Antonio are reluctant to trade his rights away to another team before testing his ability themselves. He won't be able to adapt too well on San Antonio because of Tim Duncan. He needs to be on a team that will provide him solid minutes early on. Otherwise his career in the NBA may end up being a huge flop. I am glad to see that someone agrees that he can be a great player though. Not too many people have confidence in him. I find it a bit odd though, being that most people have never seen the man play basketball in their life.
I don't think its worth getting him. He's overpaid. He hardly even plays on the court. I'd change my mind if he played 72+ games per season not including playoffs. I don't think he can really step up his game if a team needed him too as well, so theres no point in getting him. well mayb i should just stick 2 hoping we can land Eddie Jones but i think he will resign with Miami.
well mayb i should just stick 2 hoping we can land Eddie Jones but i think he will resign with Miami.
<div class="quote_poster">taurus515th Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">well mayb i should just stick 2 hoping we can land Eddie Jones but i think he will resign with Miami.</div> Why would we sign Eddie Jones? We already have Thabo to play the role of bigger guard, who is also an above average defender, yet we barely use him. It would be the same case with Eddie Jones.
<div class="quote_poster">Blur Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Why would we sign Eddie Jones? We already have Thabo to play the role of bigger guard, who is also an above average defender, yet we barely use him. It would be the same case with Eddie Jones.</div> I know we have Thabo who plays a role of a bigger guard but wut about when we need him 2 guard guys like Kobe, Carter, T-Mac n the 4th quarter. Thabo next season will not get the respect and n a close game we need our points and defense. The refs will just easily call a foul on him simply because hes only been n the league only a year. Since he is a rookie now Skiles usually makes Duhon guard them and we r giving up easy points because of the height difference. I dont care how good of a defender u r but if u r 6 inches shorter than someone they r going 2 get there points and can usually shoot over u. With Eddie Jones he is a more than just a decent shooter, a good defender, and will get some respect from the refs while Gordon is on the bench at the beginning of the 4th quarter because of this problem against some teams. I do think Sefolosha should play more since there is enough minutes but i dont think Eddie Jones needs a lot of minutes 2 be useful 4 us.
<div class="quote_poster">taurus515th Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I know we have Thabo who plays a role of a bigger guard but wut about when we need him 2 guard guys like Kobe, Carter, T-Mac n the 4th quarter. Thabo next season will not get the respect and n a close game we need our points and defense. The refs will just easily call a foul on him simply because hes only been n the league only a year. Since he is a rookie now Skiles usually makes Duhon guard them and we r giving up easy points because of the height difference. I dont care how good of a defender u r but if u r 6 inches shorter than someone they r going 2 get there points and can usually shoot over u. With Eddie Jones he is a more than just a decent shooter, a good defender, and will get some respect from the refs while Gordon is on the bench at the beginning of the 4th quarter because of this problem against some teams. I do think Sefolosha should play more since there is enough minutes but i dont think Eddie Jones needs a lot of minutes 2 be useful 4 us.</div> I don't think it would benefit us to reduce Thabo's role even more (despite him being billed as an NBA ready player) banking on what the referees will call/not call in certain matchups. Superstars are going to get superstar calls no matter who they are going up against.
<div class="quote_poster">Blur Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think it would benefit us to reduce Thabo's role even more (despite him being billed as an NBA ready player) banking on what the referees will call/not call in certain matchups. Superstars are going to get superstar calls no matter who they are going up against.</div> We can always reduce Duhon's role. Well anyway i still think Eddie Jones could be very useful 2 add 2 our team. When Ben has a bad game either Sefolosha (who plays better D) or Jones (at times who can score/plays better D) could fill n instead of Duhon.
<div class="quote_poster">taurus515th Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">We can always reduce Duhon's role. Well anyway i still think Eddie Jones could be very useful 2 add 2 our team. When Ben has a bad game either Sefolosha (who plays better D) or Jones (at times who can score/plays better D) could fill n instead of Duhon.</div> Why reduce Duhon's role though its unnecessary especially at Jones age. Everything Jones provides, Thabo does the same, sure you could say Jones might get more respect from the referees, but there is nothing to guarantee that. I think our back court is pretty much set for the next couple of years, I would be more worried about the front court than anything, getting a solid backup for Wallace, and a power forward.
Ot: How much better do u think this draft would be if Kevin Durant and Greg Oden werent n it compared 2 last years draft? I dont know about u but i actually think this draft is kind of overrated imo except 4 those 2. If the NYK's pick is between 8-12, do u think Sean May would be a better player than someone we would draft. I dont watch Men's College Basketball so mayb i havent seen the talent and im just not looking at the facts and just making assumptions but wut do yall think? This is a big man's draft and the Bobcats have both May and Okafor. If the Bobcats were 2 get a top 2 pick and have have plans 2 draft a guy like Durant would May become available 4 maybe our pick so that they draft someone with our pick 2 fill a need. The thing about May is hes been hurt a lot. Paxson wants 2 win now especially after signing Ben Wallace but how many rookies or sophmore starting post-players have gotten there team a championship unless they had another strong post-player at the C? i havent been watching basketball long so can some1 answer this question? Also more than likely Skiles will not play the rookie much at the beginning of the season so how would this help us when at the beginning of the 2007-2008 season.
Every draft is pumped up so that people will view it. However, I believe that this draft should be a decent one.
With the way Tyrus Thomas has been playing lately, we might not need to do any trades this off-season, in order to find low post scoring. If Tyrus can continue to improve, we just need to add a solid big man in the draft and we are good to go next season.
<div class="quote_poster">Blur Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">With the way Tyrus Thomas has been playing lately, we might not need to do any trades this off-season, in order to find low post scoring. If Tyrus can continue to improve, we just need to add a solid big man in the draft and we are good to go next season.</div> What do you think about the guy fron Gtown?
<div class="quote_poster">michiganave17 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What do you think about the guy fron Gtown?</div> I don't really see Hibbert as a dominant big man offensively in the league, I see him as kind of a Mutombo type guy, maybe even Marcus Camby. Right now his offensive game i very limited, he struggles playing against big athletic centers, and is not the fastest guy so he might slow us down in transition. He might become a good center in the future, but I think it might take a while for him to come around offensively, if ever. If only Jeff Green was two inches taller...
