Warriors @ Jazz March 20, 2007 - 6PM FSN

how many times can we get d1cked in one game?

 

lol -- it's all good. It's one loss, against one of the toughest home teams in the league. They got a TON of calls in the last quarter, but that's the way it goes. Nothing new. Warriors battled and it showed. Sure Clips and NO won tonight, but they weren't playing a top team like GS was. Warriors will bounce back, don't get spirits down.

 

in fact, only the warriors get the shaft from david stern....giving us a white official (#24) in the whitest state in the union....

5 fouls on jackson in the 4th. no FT's for boom dizzle (until the 4th), JRich, or AB.

i know...its not about the officials, the warriors just flat out suck. But we had that game won.

 

Yeah, JRich had like three straight steals for forced turnovers but they called all three of them off his fingers, which for a few were BS. Harrington had a few of those in the first half as well. They'd force a turnover but the ref would give Utah possession.

Frustrating, but guess what... it's over... Warriors are still 8th seed.... This isn't the last close game they are going to lose before the season is over... they just need to keep playing hard and they'll get it done... don't worry.

 

I was about to say that the officiating was bad but the Jazz got the worst of it. Shows the bias of fans watching their team.

I'm sorry, but you just CANNOT say the refs handed this game to the Jazz. That's ridiculous.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I was about to say that the officiating was bad but the Jazz got the worst of it. Shows the bias of fans watching their team.

I'm sorry, but you just CANNOT say the refs handed this game to the Jazz. That's ridiculous.</div>

Hmm... 28 fouls called on Warriors vs. 20 on Jazz. 30 free throws shot by Jazz... 17 shot by Warriors.

I'd say there's a disparity there. But I'm not "blaming" the refs. It was Utah at home, and they're known for playing physical, so they got a longer leash.

However, it is evident that Utah won this game simply because of the disparity in foul-calling by the refs. It's not Utah's fault the refs blew a lot of calls, but that's just the way it is.

Time to move on for the next game.

 

<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Hmm... 28 fouls called on Warriors vs. 20 on Jazz. 30 free throws shot by Jazz... 17 shot by Warriors.

I'd say there's a disparity there. But I'm not "blaming" the refs. It was Utah at home, and they're known for playing physical, so they got a longer leash.

However, it is evident that Utah won this game simply because of the disparity in foul-calling by the refs. It's not Utah's fault the refs blew a lot of calls, but that's just the way it is.

Time to move on for the next game.</div>

Well, the Warriors shot a ton of three pointers, many more than the Jazz. So of course the team that is shooting less three pointers is attacking the rim more and possibly drawing more fouls and getting to the line. Now, I didn't see the game, but that could be a reason why the FT difference was so big. Also the Jazz shot 53% from the field. That doesn't look like a winning percentage there.

Right now there are five teams at the starting line and ready for a sprint for the 8th seed. The Warriors fortunately managed to win against the Sonics which is especially needed. A win vs. the Jazz tonight would have been a huge boost. But basically it's a new season, there's one last sprint for the playoffs and the Warriors can't manage to keep having meltdowns each game. It's time to take matters in their own hands and win, at all costs.

Also, Monta Ellis seems to be picking up a lot of offensive fouls. It's not something I like seeing. Hopefully he gets passed that soon.

 

<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">But I'm not "blaming" the refs.</div>

A few lines later:

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">However, it is evident that Utah won this game simply because of the disparity in foul-calling by the refs.</div>

Contradict yourself a little more will ya.

So the fact that the Warriors committed more fouls than the Jazz means there was a disparity in the foul-calling? Are all games supposed to have the exact same amount of fouls called on for both teams?

What ball game were you watching? The Warriors were like 13-27 from the 3 pt line while the Jazz shot like 1/5. They were attacking the rim much more, therefore they got more freethrows.

And the disparity was nothing. If you want DISPARITY, then you should have watched the Jazz take on the Lakers.

<div class="quote_poster">Clif25 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Also the Jazz shot 53% from the field. That doesn't look like a winning percentage there.</div>

Um, what? It is when the Warriors shoot 45%.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">A few lines later:



Contradict yourself a little more will ya.

So the fact that the Warriors committed more fouls than the Jazz means there was a disparity in the foul-calling? Are all games supposed to have the exact same amount of fouls called on for both teams?

What ball game were you watching? The Warriors were like 13-27 from the 3 pt line while the Jazz shot like 1/5. They were attacking the rim much more, therefore they got more freethrows.

And the disparity was nothing. If you want DISPARITY, then you should have watched the Jazz take on the Lakers.



Um, what? It is when the Warriors shoot 45%.</div>

Oh, no, I meant to communicate, in a low context way, that giving up 53% defensively isn't going to win basketball games. Of course shooting 53% is very condusive to winning basketball games, that's a given.

Also the Warriors seem to get a lot of bad breaks from the refs this season. I didn't see the game but fouls where the Warriors probably should have had the steal or block shot on a clean play are calls that have gone against the Warriors all season. And if those are the calls that the refs were making against the Warriors like some people were commenting on earlier, then that's going to hurt this team, especially since this defense thrives on picking up loads of steals and block shots like that. Who knows, maybe the calls were going both ways, but as a Warriors fan we get very little help from the refs at all. Also we are desperate and we need as level of a playing field as possible. If the refs are calling little soft fouls on the Warriors but nothing on the Jazz then frustration definitley mounts up.

But like I said, the rest is a sprint to the finish line. The rest of the schedule is against predominatley playoff teams such as the Spurs, Rockets, Utah again, Washington, the Lakers, the Mavs, and then a couple of games vs. the Grizzlies, TWolves, and Kings. Basically it's all or nothing. So much anxiety...

 

Blast the "un-jinx" didn't work. I guess I should be a broadcaster or something and then it will work.

I think this game was hard to win because we weren't rebounding very well and the other team seemed to be scoring at a higher %. Plus, the 3-point shooting attempts were a lot higher than the other team. The other team seemed to go for closer shots inside and had more assists overall than us (which indicates they were swinging the ball a little bit more and taking [duh] the higher % shots). Good job by the Warriors though. It wasn't a blowout, but boy did they blow the 4th like the typical warriors of before all-star break.

Usually the bench is more energetic and productive in terms of smaller ball, but we didn't get much from them today, did we?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Contradict yourself a little more will ya.

So the fact that the Warriors committed more fouls than the Jazz means there was a disparity in the foul-calling? Are all games supposed to have the exact same amount of fouls called on for both teams?
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Heh, your reasoning is flawed. The definition of the word "disparity" is: "The state of being different or dissimilar."

So, to answer your question, the fact that the Warriors commited more fouls than the Jazz DOES indeed mean there was a disparity in foul calling, lol, because that means there were more fouls called on the Warriors than were called on the Jazz. That's just math (well, math and basic vocabulary).

IMO, it's obvious that Utah won this game at the free throw line. As you say, they attacked the rim. They outscored GS by 10 from the line, and won the game by 4. What "ball game" were you watching?

However, because I mention the free throw statistic doesn't mean I'm blaming the refs for the disparity. Those are two independent clauses.

If you wanted to locate a contradiction, you'd have been better off quoting this:

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It's not Utah's fault the refs blew a lot of calls, but that's just the way it is.</div>

But even then, there's no contradiction.

You see, the refs blew a lot of calls. There was also a disparity in fouls called between the two teams. That doesn't mean the refs are to blame for the outcome of the game. Why? Refs are fallible; they blow calls all the time. The Warriors also blew a lot of chances late in the game.

lol

 

When I said disparity in foul calling, I meant a 'different or dissimilar' way that the refs were officiating the game when it came to calling fouls for each team, aka, favoring one team. And you also know damn well that's what I meant. So no, my reasoning is not flawed. You just pitpicked a simple vocabulary flaw when it had nothing to do with the essence of the discussion.

And please note that I made no mistake in my choice of words. I meant there was a disparity in the technique, ommission, and foul-calling ITSELF. Not the fact that there was a disparity in the number of freethrows each team committed. I know that, and it's obvious.

It's also what you meant earlier. If not, then why did you even say that? It's obvious.. The Jazz had more free throws because the Golden State warriors committed more fouls. And that's it. The Jazz won the game because they scored 4 more points than the Warriors total.

So what you are saying now is that the Jazz won this game because they shot more (fair) freethrows? Ok, then the same can be said for the Warriors. The warriors lost this game because they committed too many fouls.

I also don't understand your logic. Jazz won by 4. Why did they win because of freethrows? Why not our execution? Our jumpers? Our points in the paint? OUR ASSISTS on our FG's, which greatly outnumbered that of the Warriors? Many things contributed to this win, not just having 10 more freethrows.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">When I said disparity in foul calling, I meant a 'different or dissimilar' way that the refs were officiating the game when it came to calling fouls for each team, aka, favoring one team. And you also know damn well that's what I meant. So no, my reasoning is not flawed. You just pitpicked a simple vocabulary flaw when it had nothing to do with the essence of the discussion.

And please note that I made no mistake in my choice of words. I meant there was a disparity in the technique, ommission, and foul-calling ITSELF. Not the fact that there was a disparity in the number of freethrows each team committed. I know that, and it's obvious.

It's also what you meant earlier. If not, then why did you even say that? It's obvious.. The Jazz had more free throws because the Golden State warriors committed more fouls. And that's it. The Jazz won the game because they scored 4 more points than the Warriors total.

So what you are saying now is that the Jazz won this game because they shot more (fair) freethrows? Ok, then the same can be said for the Warriors. The warriors lost this game because they committed too many fouls.

I also don't understand your logic. Jazz won by 4. Why did they win because of freethrows? Why not our execution? Our jumpers? Our points in the paint? OUR ASSISTS on our FG's, which greatly outnumbered that of the Warriors? Many things contributed to this win, not just having 10 more freethrows.</div>

No, I wasn't offering any personal observation in my second post. I was just demonstrating how your smart-ass comment -- "Contradict yourself a little more will ya" -- was logically flawed, and thus an asinine thing to type.

As far as my first post, you actually quoted me out of context. You left out the last line:

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd say there's a disparity there. But I'm not "blaming" the refs. It was Utah at home, and they're known for playing physical, so they got a longer leash. </div>

Here I gave a logical reason why the Jazz got more calls; i.e. why there was a disparity.

I never said the refs handed GS the game; I just feel like the Jazz got more calls than the Warriors. I feel that the refs made some bad calls, and blew (missed) others. The Jazz also earned more calls because of the style of game they played (i.e. physical and attacking the rim vs. outside shooting). However, I also feel that this style led the refs to "bite" their whistles late in the game, especially on a few Baron Davis drives at the end.

The refs sucked last night -- they blew severall possession calls and gave the Jazz some cheap shooting calls they didn't deserve.

That doesn't mean I'm blaming them for the outcome of the game.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">When I said disparity in foul calling, I meant a 'different or dissimilar' way that the refs were officiating the game when it came to calling fouls for each team, aka, favoring one team. And you also know damn well that's what I meant. So no, my reasoning is not flawed. You just pitpicked a simple vocabulary flaw when it had nothing to do with the essence of the discussion.

And please note that I made no mistake in my choice of words. I meant there was a disparity in the technique, ommission, and foul-calling ITSELF. Not the fact that there was a disparity in the number of freethrows each team committed. I know that, and it's obvious.

It's also what you meant earlier. If not, then why did you even say that? It's obvious.. The Jazz had more free throws because the Golden State warriors committed more fouls. And that's it. The Jazz won the game because they scored 4 more points than the Warriors total.

So what you are saying now is that the Jazz won this game because they shot more (fair) freethrows? Ok, then the same can be said for the Warriors. The warriors lost this game because they committed too many fouls.

I also don't understand your logic. Jazz won by 4. Why did they win because of freethrows? Why not our execution? Our jumpers? Our points in the paint? OUR ASSISTS on our FG's, which greatly outnumbered that of the Warriors? Many things contributed to this win, not just having 10 more freethrows.</div>

No, I didn't bring up the definition of "disparity" to prove an arguement at all. I was simply demonstrating how your smart-ass comment -- "Contradict yourself a little more will ya" -- was logically flawed, and thus an asinine thing to type, IMO.

As far as my first post, however, you actually quoted me out of context. You left out the last line:

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd say there's a disparity there. But I'm not "blaming" the refs. It was Utah at home, and they're known for playing physical, so they got a longer leash. </div>

Here I give a logical reason why the Jazz got more calls; i.e. why there was a disparity.

I never said the refs handed GS the game; I just feel like the Jazz got more calls than the Warriors. I feel that the refs made some bad calls, and blew (missed) others for both teams. The Jazz also earned more calls because of the style of game they played (i.e. physical and attacking the rim vs. outside shooting). However, I also feel that this style led the refs to "bite" their whistles late in the game, especially on a few Baron Davis drives at the end.

IMO it's evident that the game was won at the free throw line, but that's subjective. The Jazz had 13 more attempts and won by 4 points. OF course there were other influencing factors; this is the factor that I feel was most important in deciding the game.

IMO, the refs did a poor job last night -- they blew severall possession calls (as shown on TV replays) and gave the Jazz some cheap shooting calls they didn't deserve.

That doesn't mean I'm blaming them for the outcome of the game. The refs are a part of the game, and they are human and thus fallible.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">When I said disparity in foul calling, I meant a 'different or dissimilar' way that the refs were officiating the game when it came to calling fouls for each team, aka, favoring one team. And you also know damn well that's what I meant. So no, my reasoning is not flawed. You just pitpicked a simple vocabulary flaw when it had nothing to do with the essence of the discussion.

And please note that I made no mistake in my choice of words. I meant there was a disparity in the technique, ommission, and foul-calling ITSELF. Not the fact that there was a disparity in the number of freethrows each team committed. I know that, and it's obvious.

It's also what you meant earlier. If not, then why did you even say that? It's obvious.. The Jazz had more free throws because the Golden State warriors committed more fouls. And that's it. The Jazz won the game because they scored 4 more points than the Warriors total.

So what you are saying now is that the Jazz won this game because they shot more (fair) freethrows? Ok, then the same can be said for the Warriors. The warriors lost this game because they committed too many fouls.

I also don't understand your logic. Jazz won by 4. Why did they win because of freethrows? Why not our execution? Our jumpers? Our points in the paint? OUR ASSISTS on our FG's, which greatly outnumbered that of the Warriors? Many things contributed to this win, not just having 10 more freethrows.</div>

I didn't bring up the definition of "disparity" to prove an argument, though. I was simply noting how your comment -- "Contradict yourself a little more will ya" -- was logically flawed. There's no contradiction.

As far as my first post, you actually quoted me out of context. You left out the last line:

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd say there's a disparity there. But I'm not "blaming" the refs. It was Utah at home, and they're known for playing physical, so they got a longer leash. </div>

Here I give a logical reason why the Jazz got more calls; i.e. why there was a disparity.

I never said the refs handed GS the game; I just feel like the Jazz got more calls than the Warriors. I feel that the refs made some bad calls, and blew (missed) others for both teams. The Jazz also earned more calls because of the style of game they played (i.e. physical and attacking the rim vs. outside shooting). However, I also feel that this style led the refs to "bite" their whistles late in the game, especially on a few Baron Davis drives at the end.

It is also evident, IMO, that this game was decided at the freethrow line, but that is subjective of course. The Jazz had 13 more attempts and won the game by 4 points. Of course there are other factors that influenced the outcome, but IMO this is the factor that was most important in deciding the game.

The refs sucked last night -- they blew severall possession calls (as shown on TV replays) and gave the Jazz some cheap shooting calls they didn't deserve.

That doesn't mean I'm blaming them for the outcome of the game, however. The refs are a part of the game, and they are human and thus fallible.

 

Ok, well, I just don't comprehend how it is so "evident" that the game was decided at the free throw line. I've seen games like that, and this WAS NOT ONE. But to each his own.

 

I only saw the last 6 minutes of this game but the refs were horrible. They just started handing out fouls left and right. Like the when the player flew by Deron Williams and D-Will barely drew contract and they whistled GSW. I wish I saw the whole game so I could put in better input but good game and Hope you guys make the playoffs.

 

Yeah, the refs sucked, but Utah is a tough team and the game was well fought and close. I don't think Warrior fans should hang their head at that loss. They battled, on the road, and that type of effort was what you want to see. Utah is going to be tough in the POs, especially if AK gets it going...

 

<div class="quote_poster">J_Ray Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I only saw the last 6 minutes of this game but the refs were horrible. They just started handing out fouls left and right. Like the when the player flew by Deron Williams and D-Will barely drew contract and they whistled GSW. I wish I saw the whole game so I could put in better input but good game and Hope you guys make the playoffs.</div>

Yeah, the refs sucked, but Utah is a tough team and the game was well fought and close. I don't think Warrior fans should hang their head at that loss. They battled, on the road, and that type of effort was what you want to see. Utah is going to be tough in the POs, especially if AK gets it going...