<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">MVP really won't matter. When people look back on 2006 and this year, they aren't going to talk about Nash, they are going to be talking about Kobe's 81 point performance (2006), and Kobe's three straight games of 50+ points. I forgot who made the comment, it was a former player, but he said the MVP of the league should be someone who does something extradordinary that has everyone talking.</div> Shape, do you think Kobe deserved MVP last year? Do you think he deserves it this year (up to this point)? I remember you saying you didn't think he deserved it.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Shape, do you think Kobe deserved MVP last year? Do you think he deserves it this year (up to this point)? I remember you saying you didn't think he deserved it.</div> No I don't think he deserved it last year or this year, but I was ticked off at the position he ended up at when the results came out, and found it ridiculous some of the writers didn't have Kobe in their top 5. He should have been in the Top 3 last year, I felt it was a coin toss between Dirk and Nash for the MVP honor. This year I have Dirk ahead of the pack again, but Nash is putting up even better numbers than his previous two MVP awards, so to keep consistent, the writer's should vote for him again.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No I don't think he deserved it last year or this year, but I was ticked off at the position he ended up at when the results came out, and found it ridiculous some of the writers didn't have Kobe in their top 5. He should have been in the Top 3 last year, I felt it was a coin toss between Dirk and Nash for the MVP honor. This year I have Dirk ahead of the pack again, but Nash is putting up even better numbers than his previous two MVP awards, so to keep consistent, the writer's should vote for him again.</div> But when did MVP voting become a "consistent" process? Bah.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">But when did MVP voting become a "consistent" process? Bah.</div> It has been consistently inconsistent. The egos of these writers have placed them in a predicament this year. How can they justify not giving the award to Steve Nash when he's posting better stats and the Suns are having another tremendous season? Also throw in the handful of games Nash missed and the team really struggled without him. Then you look at the big picture and you put Nash in the same group as the only other players to win 3 MVPs, and it's laughable. I still can't get over the fact Nash has more MVPs than Shaq.
The reason Nash is getting more Assist than he did last year is Stoudemire. What other area does he get better? only 3pt % I am a Canadian btw lol
<div class="quote_poster">TopLake Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The reason Nash is getting more Assist than he did last year is Stoudemire. What other area does he get better? only 3pt % I am a Canadian btw lol</div> Nash is averaging more PPG, APG, higher FG%, higher 3PT%, and the Suns are on pace to win more than the 54 games they won last year. Suns are on pace to win 62 games this year. Amare makes the team better, but his impact is negated by the lackluster year Boris Diaw is having. Diaw has really suffered in his production with Amare back. Nash is still the player responsible for leading Phoenix's high powered offense, and his numbers are better than his prior two MVP awards.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nash is averaging more PPG, APG, higher FG%, higher 3PT%, and the Suns are on pace to win more than the 54 games they won last year. Suns are on pace to win 62 games this year. Amare makes the team better, but his impact is negated by the lackluster year Boris Diaw is having. Diaw has really suffered in his production with Amare back. Nash is still the player responsible for leading Phoenix's high powered offense, and his numbers are better than his prior two MVP awards.</div> And yet, if Dirk wins on April 1st, the entire MVP race would come down to that in the minds of various voters. It's all gross.
All of those stat improvements are mostly caused by Amare. Nash now has more options when he got a dominant inside scorer and a lot of 3 point shooters playing on his side. Amare also attracts more defense which create more open shots for nash and other players. It is also a reason why Nash RPG is down a bit. Last night, Amare just got 33 pts and 23 reb which is quite insane. I just wonder if i can play in Phoenix Suns, maybe I can get some nice assists too lol Well, I think Nash is a good player but not a player who deserves MVP 2 years in a row (or 3 now??)
<div class="quote_poster">TopLake Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">All of those stat improvements are mostly caused by Amare. Nash now has more options when he got a dominant inside scorer and a lot of 3 point shooters playing on his side. Amare also attracts more defense which create more open shots for nash and other players. It is also a reason why Nash RPG is down a bit. Last night, Amare just got 33 pts and 23 reb which is quite insane. I just wonder if i can play in Phoenix Suns, maybe I can get some nice assists too lol</div> Yeah, Amare's PER is about 24, and he's producing weak MVP numbers of his own...
<div class="quote_poster">TopLake Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">All of those stat improvements are mostly caused by Amare. Nash now has more options when he got a dominant inside scorer and a lot of 3 point shooters playing on his side. Amare also attracts more defense which create more open shots for nash and other players. It is also a reason why Nash RPG is down a bit. Last night, Amare just got 33 pts and 23 reb which is quite insane. I just wonder if i can play in Phoenix Suns, maybe I can get some nice assists too lol</div> Well you're argument is valid, until you factor in Nash had Amare the first time he won the MVP award, and averaged lower numbers than he has this season. In the 2004-05 season Nash averaged similar assist numbers, but only scored 15.5PPG v. 19.1PPG this year, and shot a lower FG%, 3PT%, and averaged .2 less RPG. So with or without Amare, Nash is having his best year statistically.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well you're argument is valid, until you factor in Nash had Amare the first time he won the MVP award, and averaged lower numbers than he has this season. In the 2004-05 season Nash averaged similar assist numbers, but only scored 15.5PPG v. 19.1PPG this year, and shot a lower FG%, 3PT%, and averaged .2 less RPG. So with or without Amare, Nash is having his best year statistically.</div> Though the team does win more when Amare is out there on the court. The Suns aren't a 60 win team without him (and you know wins factor into the media's MVP formula), and can't win the title.
Kobe needs to get MVP. Hes the most valuable player regardless of record. Hes proven that he can score at will if thats what the team needs to win. Just think if he had a team around him how many people would be talking about him being MVP. MVP should NOT be determined by how many good players you have around you its not "most valuable team". If he can continue to score at will and keep the Lakers winning then he might have a shot but I'm guessing Dirk. Kobe better get MVP one of these years cause not many people can do what hes doing.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Though the team does win more when Amare is out there on the court. The Suns aren't a 60 win team without him (and you know wins factor into the media's MVP formula), and can't win the title.</div> It's a moot point since Phoenix will eclipse last year's win total by 8 games at this current pace. They are doing what they should be doing with him bakc. One could argue Amare is worth 8 more wins, but the constant the past 3 seasons is Steve Nash, he's undeniably the MVP of the Suns, (although I don't think Marion gets enough credit for what he brings to their team.)
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's a moot point since Phoenix will eclipse last year's win total by 8 games at this current pace. They are doing what they should be doing with him bakc. One could argue Amare is worth 8 more wins, but the constant the past 3 seasons is Steve Nash, he's undeniably the MVP of the Suns, (although I don't think Marion gets enough credit for what he brings to their team.)</div> But Dirk is more deserving this year than last year. If you want to argue that Nash has been more valuable for his team this season, perhaps you're right. But it doesn't follow that he must therefore be the most valuable player in the league again, if the value of other players have also changed.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">But Dirk is more deserving this year than last year. If you want to argue that Nash has been more valuable for his team this season, perhaps you're right. But it doesn't follow that he must therefore be the most valuable player in the league again, if the value of other players have also changed.</div> I agree Dirk is more deserving this year than last, but is he more deserving than Nash? I think it's a coin toss between the two again this year, and you could make a case for either player. However, based on the voting patterns of the group of writers, it would be hard for them to justify not voting for Nash again.
I hate to bring up one single matchup, but the Mavs-Suns game last week epitomized the difference between Nash and Dirk. Dirk does not really make his teammates better and he crumbles down the stretch. Nash doesn't.
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I hate to bring up one single matchup, but the Mavs-Suns game last week epitomized the difference between Nash and Dirk. Dirk does not really make his teammates better and he crumbles down the stretch. Nash doesn't.</div> Dirk does not crumble down the stretch, he's got good clutch stats. In fact, he beats Nash in a few categories.
Lol, Trench, read Phil Jackson's Book, read any of Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Brian Shaw, or Devean George's comments regarding Kobe and their time with him. Don't just look at the Shaq quotes and toss them by the wayside. I don't have to blame Kobe for anything, everyone else points the finger for me...men who have been in the games with him, shed the sweat with him, and put in the long hours with him...now you gonna give me your point of view from the sideline or from your couch?!? Please. Take a seat. Wait, you already have one...at your couch...
KOBE ROUTINE For BBALL AND CONDTIONING REPOST!!!! For the Basketball Part Mon-Sat BY THE WAY AB WORKOUTS SHOULD BE DONE EVERY OTHER DAY! 1000 Made jumpers 1 hour Dribbling Drills for 1 hour 10 Suicides and 40 yard sprints 5 reps Start Slow then increase Air Alert Should be done 2-3 hours before lifting! Its AirAlert Kobe Bryants workout routine For Strength And THE DEFINED BODY MORE CONCEREND ABOUT STRONG AND QUICK NOT BULK AND STRONG Then 2hrs of basketball practicing those things I stated AirAlert will increase your Vertical 9-14 inches guaranteed along with stamina working out will give you great condition to be stronger and play harder and more confident as you get stronger... and those 1000 shots for 1 hour dribbling drills for 1 hour and 10 suicides with sprints should give you great skill and condition... UNDERSTAND ITS: 1HR AIRALERT the chart will tell you on what days 1HR LIFTING 5 days a week 1 body part a day 2HRS BBALL 6 days a week 1000 Made jumpers, 1 hour of hardcore dribbling drills, then put in the suicides and sprints at the end and call it a day. i did this for 6 months straight i play at michigan state uni i run a 40 in 4.5 i have a 38 inch vertical not bad for a 6"4 white dude and my shot and handles and stamina are great...
I just wanted to post Kobes 2006 Workout Routine that put him in Great Physical Shape and Condition, not the 666 this one got kobe more speed and great stamina along with a defined body. It is quite different then the 2002 routine. Check it out it worked 1000x better for me and made more sense 6 days a week 4 hours a day 6 months straight 1 hour of air alert 15 week program then air alert adv a month later....1 hour of lifting mon-fri.... and 2 hours of practice mon-sat SUN REST 4 HRS TOTAL 646 WITH 1000x BETTER RESULTS REPOST!!!!!!!!!!! Monday-Lift First Before bball or running! Chest Work outs for 1 hour Workouts Were AirAlert And AirAlert Advanced for jumping and Stamina running basketball along with strength training best of both worlds strength quickness and flexiblitly along with practicing. Monday- Chest sets are all 10,8,6,4 increasing 10 pounds everytime Bench Press Barbell Incline Press Barbell Decline Press Barbell ButterFlies Freeweight or Machine Tues-Back sets 10,8,6,4 increasing 10 each time Latpull downs- Cable row- Pull ups- Machine Pull downs- Deadlift- Wed-Shoulders sets 10, 10, 8, 6 Shoulder Press- Lateral Raises- Dumbbell Raises- Shrugs free weights- Shrugs barbell- Thurs- Legs- 10, 8, 6, 4 Leg Press- Leg Curls- Squat Barbell or Smith Squat- Calf Raise Machine- Fri- Arms sets 10, 10, 8, 6 Bicep barbell curl- hands in for the inside biceps 4sets, 4 sets of hands outside for outside biceps Incline Bicep Curl- Hammer Curl- Tricep Pulldown- SkullCrushers- Pushups- Dips with weight or without at first- each day you focus on a different muscle work it out hard fast should not be in the gym for more then 1 hour! Make sure to take 1 protein shake a day along with the eating right carbs proteins calcium water fruits vegtebles thats all you should be eating the right stuff
