<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">There was a time Kenyon Martin probably felt the Nets would never let him go. That changed, huh? But at the trading deadline, Martin just shook his head at the thought of Jason Kidd leaving the Nets. "That last day, when they were talking about him going to the Lakers, I was like, ?Come on.? That would have been crazy. I didn?t think they could pull the trigger on that," said Martin, who watched in street clothes last night as his Nuggets beat the Nets 94-90. "No matter what?s going on, you can?t get rid of him. I think they?ll burn this place down if they do that. You can?t have that happen." </div> Source
Uhh yea, the Nets would crumble without him. You expect Carter to lead the team? Oh please, his leadership skills are nothing compared to Kidd. Kidd keeps the Nets going, so I really don't understand why Frank doesn't have him lead more. And I always hear, how come you never blame Kidd when he has a bad game? Simply because Kidd brings 110% effort in <u>every </u>game. That's why I don't put so much heat on him when he is having a bad game. He has done so much for the Nets, so when he has that off-game, I simply think, do better next time J.
<div class="quote_poster">Mercury Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Uhh yea, the Nets would crumble without him. You expect Carter to lead the team? Oh please, his leadership skills are nothing compared to Kidd. Kidd keeps the Nets going, so I really don't understand why Frank doesn't have him lead more. </div> I agree that Kidd is the true leader of the team, but you can't just say Vince has no ability to be a leader. I remember before his pre-injury era he led the Raptors to the eastern conference finals. I know Kidd has led the Nets to the finals twice, but he had much more help than Carter has ever had. Plus the east was extremely weak. But I still give Kidd his props, but you can't just say that Carter can't lead a team. Injuries have just taken a whole lot out of him. Carter can't lead the Nets currently and nether could Kidd cause they won't go far without post play from a decent big man.
He didn't lead them. The veterans like Charles Oakley and Antonio Davis were the real leaders. Carter was just their best player and first option. There's a big difference, though.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I remember before his pre-injury era he led the Raptors to the eastern conference finals.</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Plus the east was extremely weak.</div> Ok so that doesn't really say much about Vince either. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">but you can't just say that Carter can't lead a team. Injuries have just taken a whole lot out of him.</div> Oh please don't give me that. The guy can practically get to the basket at anytime he wants. He just chooses not to and takes the easy way out. 40 footers are the best, especially when their not falling. Stop being afraid of contact, especially considering the amount of money your making per season. What kind of superstar are you if your scared of some bumps and bruises? If he was such a great leader then he wouldn't take jump shots when they aren't falling. As a leader you need to make the right decisions, and Carter has proven many times that he doesn't. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Carter can't lead the Nets currently and nether could Kidd cause they won't go far without post play from a decent big man.</div> Kidd can lead any team farther than Carter has or ever will have. It's plain and simple.
<div class="quote_poster">44Thrilla Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">When did Carter lead the Raptors to the ECF?</div> I believe it was the 2000-2001 season. He went to his college graduation on the same day. <div class="quote_poster">Mercury Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Oh please don't give me that. The guy can practically get to the basket at anytime he wants. He just chooses not to and takes the easy way out. 40 footers are the best, especially when their not falling. Stop being afraid of contact, especially considering the amount of money your making per season. What kind of superstar are you if your scared of some bumps and bruises? If he was such a great leader then he wouldn't take jump shots when they aren't falling. As a leader you need to make the right decisions, and Carter has proven many times that doesn't.</div> You got a point there. His decision making isn't bad except for when he chooses jump shots rather than attacking the basket. Merucry: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd can lead any team farther than Carter has or ever will have. It's plain and simple.</div> You can't say that yet. Carter still has years left in him. Anything can happen in the NBA. Jordan didn't get his first ring until he was 32.
<div class="quote_poster">44Thrilla Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Toronto lost to Philly in the 2nd round in 2001. Carter has never been further than that.</div> Yeah, I just checked it. It was the second round.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You can't say that yet. Carter still has years left in him. Anything can happen in the NBA. Jordan didn't get his first ring until he was 32.</div> Let's not compare Jordan and Carter. Seeing Carter play now really confuses me as to how he was ever considered the next Jordan. Not to mention Jordan has always had that killer instinct, and Carter doesn't at all. And it's possible that Carter gets a ring, but he won't be leading that team. He might pull the Alonzo Mourning card, and sign with a serious contender. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Toronto lost to Philly in the 2nd round in 2001. Carter has never been further than that.</div> Oh boy. That stings a bit.
<div class="quote_poster">Mercury Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">And it's possible that Carter gets a ring, but he won't be leading that team. He might pull the Alonzo Mourning card, and sign with a serious contender.</div> Vince don't roll like that. He may have done stuff to Toronto, but he isn't like Mourning at all. Never compare VC's favorite person to dunk on with him. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh boy. That stings a bit.</div> Lol, why do you hate VC now?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Vince don't roll like that. He may have done stuff to Toronto, but he isn't like Mourning at all. Never compare VC's favorite person to dunk on with him</div> He did the same thing Mourning did, and yet they don't share similarities? I'm sure he wouldn't really mind doing it again. At what expense, some Nets fans hating him? So what, he gets millions of dollars and a ring. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Lol, why do you hate VC now?</div> I'm sorry to say, but I see him as a bum.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mercury:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm sorry to say, but I see him as a bum.</div> You're now an Honourary Raptors fan.
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lol, wtf Carter. I've always thought the Raptors made it to the ECF as well. Weird</div> Same here. I checked the 2001 NBA playoffs but they were only in the second round.
The Sixers faced Milwaukee in the Conference Finals. The Bucks were actually the favourites in that series.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The Sixers faced Milwaukee in the Conference Finals. The Bucks were actually the favourites in that series.</div> It's crazy to think about how horrible the East was back then.
As good as Carter is, I just don't see him being a leader. For Carter, as long as he does his thing, nothing else matters. Carter doesn't have what it takes to be a leader. It's frustrating to see someone who has so much talent as him and not use it properly. Carter is still playing like a hot shot rookie trying to prove himself. I don't know if it's just me. But I've been quite skeptic of Carter's assists and rebound totals the past few games. It looks to me that he's trying too hard to get those stats. Again trying to prove something for the wrong reasons.
Nothing against Carter fans or Nets fans, but Carter is NOT a leader. He will never be a leader like Kidd is. Carter gave up on his team, i really don't see how he can lead a team. As for Jason Kidd leaving the Nets, i can see that hapening.
