How Would M.J. fare against Kobe,Wade, or Lebron?

Discussion in 'NBA General' started by The Dream, Mar 24, 2007.

  1. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    <div class="quote_poster">NBA MAN Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^ But he needs to improve on his shot selection</div>

    He's got the same percentage as Wade on more shots.
     
  2. NBA MAN

    NBA MAN JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2006
    Messages:
    336
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Kobe- 46%
    Wade-49.4%

    How are they the same?
     
  3. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    <div class="quote_poster">NBA MAN Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe- 46%
    Wade-49.4%

    How are they the same?</div>

    TS%- About 58.5 for both of them

    Jesus.

    Kobe shoots three's and has 5% more on his FTs.
     
  4. NBA MAN

    NBA MAN JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2006
    Messages:
    336
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Are you combining FT% and FG%?
     
  5. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    <div class="quote_poster">NBA MAN Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Are you combining FT% and FG%?</div>

    Are you serious with that question?

    A True shooting percentage counts everything.

    When you miss a couple of free throws, you're missing a BASKET. When you make a THREE pointer, you can't treat it the same as a two pointer.

    These are basic principles. For example, Shaq isn't really a "58%" shooter for his career. 58% is about 13% above the average (and he isn't 13% above the average he's 5% above the average).
     
  6. NBA MAN

    NBA MAN JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2006
    Messages:
    336
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Yeah but I'm talking about FG%. Free Throws is talking about penetrating
     
  7. The Dream

    The Dream mama there goes that man!

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2004
    Messages:
    4,456
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    38
    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">^But you're gonna have off-nights. Look at Kobe Game 6 of last years series against Phoenix. 50 points, lose. You can't beat the good teams like that. You have to take over games when it's necessary. Wade is the best in the league at that.</div>

    I agree....you won't consistently beat great teams if you're the only one doing the scoring....it's never worked.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I have, Kobe averaged 8 FTs a game with Shaq before the 01-02 rules. I expect him to average about 9 FTs in any era. Thus I said his driving ability "touches" Jordan.
    </div>

    before his first retirement I've never seen a player attack the basket as much as Jordan...Kobe depends on his jumpshot more than MJ did.
     
  8. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    <div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree....you won't consistently beat great teams if you're the only one doing the scoring....it's never worked.</div>

    Kobe was much more balanced last year in that PHX series (forgot?). Part of the Reason he got to 50 in Game Six was because he was draining three pointers in Over Time.


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
    before his first retirement I've never seen a player attack the basket as much as Jordan...Kobe depends on his jumpshot more than MJ did.</div>


    Well I didn't say Kobe was better than MJ at driving, just that he had a similar skill set.

    And people that depend on their Jumpshot more last longer.

    <div class="quote_poster">NBA MAN Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah but I'm talking about FG%. Free Throws is talking about penetrating</div>

    Missing a couple of FTs = Missing a Field Goal.

    The Ultimate point is that Kobe is just as efficient on a greater volume of shots. Kobe doesn't need to have a higher FG% or else you're holding him to a ridiculous double standard.
     
  9. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    <div class="quote_poster">NBA MAN Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah but I'm talking about FG%. Free Throws is talking about penetrating</div>

    Missing a couple of FTs = Missing a Field Goal.

    The Ultimate point is that Kobe is just as efficient on a greater volume of shots. Kobe doesn't need to have a higher FG% or else you're holding him to a ridiculous double standard.
     
  10. NBA MAN

    NBA MAN JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2006
    Messages:
    336
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Anything over 80% FT is fine with me.
     
  11. The Dream

    The Dream mama there goes that man!

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2004
    Messages:
    4,456
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    38
    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And people that depend on their Jumpshot more last longer.</div>

    I think there comes a point in every players career where they depend on jumpshot more, but if you're able to take into the basket then I suggest doing so.
     
  12. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    <div class="quote_poster">NBA MAN Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Anything over 80% FT is fine with me.</div>
    And?

    86.6% is more fine than 81.6%.
     
  13. NBA MAN

    NBA MAN JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2006
    Messages:
    336
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    ^Alright I get your point now.

    But Kobe's FG% could be so much better. He takes some ridiculous shots sometimes
     
  14. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    <div class="quote_poster">NBA MAN Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^Alright I get your point now.

    But Kobe's FG% could be so much better. He takes some ridiculous shots sometimes</div>

    If Kobe's FG% was better his PER would be the same as or even better than Jordan's. An amazing feat indeed.
     
  15. NBA MAN

    NBA MAN JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2006
    Messages:
    336
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Bottom line is Kobe needs to get his teammates involved or he'll never win. Can we agree on that?
     
  16. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    <div class="quote_poster">NBA MAN Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Bottom line is Kobe needs to get his teammates involved or he'll never win. Can we agree on that?</div>

    It depends on what type of teammates he's taking shots away from. I don't want Smush Parker taking a single shot more than he needs to.

    Also if his teammates are struggling, he's going to take more shots.
     
  17. NBA MAN

    NBA MAN JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2006
    Messages:
    336
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Kobe needs to learn the <font size=""4"">triangle</font>
     
  18. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,798
    Likes Received:
    90
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Occupation:
    Student.
    Location:
    Miami, Florida
    <div class="quote_poster">NBA MAN Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe needs to learn the <font size=""4"">triangle</font></div>
    Why doesn't Kobe know the Triangle?

    Jordan averaged how many assists in the Triangle? The Triangle isn't even run a majority of the game.
     
  19. NBA MAN

    NBA MAN JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2006
    Messages:
    336
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Kobe- 4.5 APG
    Jordan- 5.3 APG
     
  20. NBA MAN

    NBA MAN JBB JustBBall Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2006
    Messages:
    336
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    <div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Why doesn't Kobe know the Triangle?

    Jordan averaged how many assists in the Triangle? The Triangle isn't even run a majority of the game.</div>


    But it's run in key stretches of the game. Like Paxson's Game 6 Winner against PHX and God knows how many other times.
     

Share This Page