<div class="quote_poster">Basketballer05 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Andrew Bogut is not even injured. He hurt his foot, and has now recovered. Bucks are sitting him out because the rest of the games this season are not important(Tanking). Teams do tank all the time. Boston, Memphis and Milwaukee are all tanking games. They rest their stars because they dont want to win games anymore. Boston, Memphis and Milwaukee are all sitting their stars out these past few games. If you cant see these teams are tanking then I suggest you take another look The league cannot do anything about teams tanking. I know Knicks were the better team, and I am glad they were. I am just saying, if the Knicks can bearly beat a injury riddled team who is delibratley trying to lose, they are in trouble.</div>Sorry, but no one intentionally loses. They're professionals, they always play to win, no matter what. And I highly doubt Boston or Memphis is tanking. They each were missing their star player for a huge chunk of the season, and when you're as young as each of them are, you can't expect to win that much. And you don't tank at the beginning of the year either. Neither of them have been worth a damn from the get-go. Beyond that, the Knicks are missing equally as important players as you guys. Starbury and Crawford are the two best offensive players on the team and David Lee is a great energy and hustle guy. Hell, one of the players you listed off (Bobby Simmons) hasn't played a minute all year, so I don't understand even bringing him into the argument. You can't really gauge his importance if he's sitting on the bench in a suit all season. And with Bogut, you don't recover from all sprains quickly. If it wasn't serious, I highly doubt they'd just shut him down. Sometimes sprains can actually come out worse than breaking a bone. And as for Boston sitting out PP, I see nothing wrong with it. The team is going nowhere fast so why not? It gives them the opportunity to get a better look at some of their young talent and not risk Pierce getting hurt again. They're not tanking at this point, they're just trying not to kill their future.
<div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry, but no one intentionally loses. They're professionals, they always play to win, no matter what. And I highly doubt Boston or Memphis is tanking. They each were missing their star player for a huge chunk of the season, and when you're as young as each of them are, you can't expect to win that much. And you don't tank at the beginning of the year either. Neither of them have been worth a damn from the get-go. Beyond that, the Knicks are missing equally as important players as you guys. Starbury and Crawford are the two best offensive players on the team and David Lee is a great energy and hustle guy. Hell, one of the players you listed off (Bobby Simmons) hasn't played a minute all year, so I don't understand even bringing him into the argument. You can't really gauge his importance if he's sitting on the bench in a suit all season. And with Bogut, you don't recover from all sprains quickly. If it wasn't serious, I highly doubt they'd just shut him down. Sometimes sprains can actually come out worse than breaking a bone. And as for Boston sitting out PP, I see nothing wrong with it. The team is going nowhere fast so why not? It gives them the opportunity to get a better look at some of their young talent and not risk Pierce getting hurt again. They're not tanking at this point, they're just trying not to kill their future.</div> Boston have been sitting out Jefferson also lately. They are doing this because they want to him rest up for next season. Because this season is over for them and they just want to get a better draft pick. They are sitting out PP to lose games. Who wouldnt if you were going to get a shot at Greg Oden or Kevin Durant who both will be superstars. I never said anybody tanked at the start of the year. Did you know Milwaukee were predicted to be a number 3 seed in the East at the start? Then injuries riddled them, they quickly fell to the bottom. When the Superstar players returned, it was too late. Our playoffs hope were still mathematically alive, but now its too late. So we are sitting out our Superstar players, or cutting back their minutes. We are doing this to get a better draft pick, because our season is basically over. So we are tanking to get a better pick. Its quite obvious. Notice how none of the playoff teams sit out there players? Its only the teams near the bottom who let their star players rest. Just admit, the evidence is there to prove that these teams are tanking.
<div class="quote_poster">Basketballer05 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I hope he was.</div> No, I'm very serious: Invalid Video Link Anyway, like I said, the Knicks were playing just as depleted as the Bucks.
Gutsy move by Isiah. That's one of the coaching moves where he'd be ripped apart later, if Curry hadn't hit the shot. As for the whole tanking issue, I think people are being a little naive. Of course team's are tanking. Just compare this year (one with a strong draft class) to last season (one with a weak class), and you'll see that team's began to "rest their injured players" and "evaluate their prospects" a lot earlier than usual. Of course that doesn't mean the players have that in mind. For the most part, players won't care about the draft lottery and stuff like that, but GM's and upper management of a lot of these teams clearly have given up .
You are.........nevermind...I'll be good. Lets just say I think you're being ridiculous, acting like you're 10 and basically...you're just not using your brain <div class="quote_poster">Basketballer05 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Andrew Bogut is not even injured. He hurt his foot, and has now recovered. Bucks are sitting him out because the rest of the games this season are not important(Tanking). Teams do tank all the time. Boston, Memphis and Milwaukee are all tanking games. They rest their stars because they dont want to win games anymore. Boston, Memphis and Milwaukee are all sitting their stars out these past few games. If you cant see these teams are tanking then I suggest you take another look</div> Did I not just say that teams do rest stars!? I mean it makes sense especially for players who suffer injuries at the end of the season like Bogut did. Besides...did Redd not play in the game? Is he not the Bucks star? geez think man Anyways, it's a moot point. I admitted teams rest star players at the end of a decided season, but I still say that no matter what the players that are in the game give it there all, as does the coach. The bucks that were in MSG that night did not try to loose...if you think that you are frankly a moron. <div class="quote_poster">Basketballer05 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> I am just saying, if the Knicks can bearly beat a injury riddled team who is delibratley trying to lose, they are in trouble.</div> You guys were without Skinner, Charlie V. Bogut. The Knicks were without there marbury, francis, crawford, q-rich, and LEE. Lets do the math 3 important players not available for the bucks - 5 important players not available for the Knicks......umm...gee, I must not be very good at math cause it looks to me like the Knicks are more injury depleted?! Could that be so?! Both teams were injury depleted missing key players, the Knicks played better. End of story. No one tried to loose, no one "could barely beat" anyone. Knicks beat Bucks...you loose
02civic, your too funny. Teams tank all the time. You know why Paul Pierce is sitting out? You know why Bogut and CV are sitting out? They rest their stars because they are tanking for a good draft pick. I dont see any of the playoff teams "resting" their stars. Its only the bottom teams. Are you really that dense? Isnt it a coinsidence how 2 teams with the worst records, are sitting their stars out for extensive time?????? Even professional broadcasters admit these teams are tanking. The Bucks blew this game on purpose, and I am very happy they gave it away. By the way, Isiah Thomas should be fired. If his Genius plan is having a 7 foot fat ass center shooting a 3, then he is crazy. Even though the shot went it, what a terrible descision when you had Nate Robinson on the court. Curry would never make a shot like that again, so if I was Knicks I would fire Isiah right away.
Oh by the way, just to prove to you these teams are tanking even more. Redd out for season. http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=2&dat...9/2007&id=21780
<div class="quote_poster">Basketballer05 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> 02civic, your too funny. Teams tank all the time. You know why Paul Pierce is sitting out? You know why Bogut and CV are sitting out? They rest their stars because they are tanking for a good draft pick. I dont see any of the playoff teams "resting" their stars. Its only the bottom teams. Are you really that dense? Isnt it a coinsidence how 2 teams with the worst records, are sitting their stars out for extensive time?????? Even professional broadcasters admit these teams are tanking. The Bucks blew this game on purpose, and I am very happy they gave it away. By the way, Isiah Thomas should be fired. If his Genius plan is having a 7 foot fat ass center shooting a 3, then he is crazy. Even though the shot went it, what a terrible descision when you had Nate Robinson on the court. Curry would never make a shot like that again, so if I was Knicks I would fire Isiah right away.</div> You just don't get it, and this is the last time I'm going to explain it to you - you said the bucks were trying too loose in the Knicks game I said thats bull, the bucks present that night gave 100% to try to win - you said the bucks were injury depleted and the Knicks were basically a joke for having a hard time with such a depleted team I said thats bull, the Knicks are as if not more so depleted than the Bucks - you said teams teams sit there stars I agreed they do, but that wasnt the case in the Bucks/Knicks game. Especially with Redd (there only star by the way) playing 40+ minutes. CV and Bogut have legit injuries and its only common sense to let them rest since nothing is on the line. That doesn't mean the team doesnt want the win though. And the individual players DEFINATELY want the win, no matter what. PM me if you need it broken down further 02civic, try to get your point across without cursing. - MrJ
<div class="quote_poster">Basketballer05 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">By the way, Isiah Thomas should be fired. If his Genius plan is having a 7 foot fat ass center shooting a 3, then he is crazy. Even though the shot went it, what a terrible descision when you had Nate Robinson on the court. Curry would never make a shot like that again, so if I was Knicks I would fire Isiah right away.</div> With 0.9 left in the game, I'm sure the Bucks would be all over Nate Robinson and he wouldn't have gotten off a quality shot, that's why he was used as a decoy to give Curry an open look. It's not like Isiah drew this play out randomly, the Knicks actually practice this play. It was a gutsy move, as Chutney said, and it worked. If the Knicks practice this play and it works, why was it a terrible decision.
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">With 0.9 left in the game, I'm sure the Bucks would be all over Nate Robinson and he wouldn't have gotten off a quality shot, that's why he was used as a decoy to give Curry an open look. It's not like Isiah drew this play out randomly, the Knicks actually practice this play. It was a gutsy move, as Chutney said, and it worked. If the Knicks practice this play and it works, why was it a terrible decision.</div> Why was it a terrible descision? Uhhh maybe because this 7 foot center has only hit 1 three pointer in his 4 year career? What sort of professional ball club practices giving a fat Center 3 pointers? Nate has hit many clutch shots in his career with pressure, he should of had the shot end of story. 02Civic, if you actually bothered to watch all of the game you would of seen how the Bucks were tanking.
<div class="quote_poster">Basketballer05 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Why was it a terrible descision? Uhhh maybe because this 7 foot center has only hit 1 three pointer in his 4 year career? What sort of professional ball club practices giving a fat Center 3 pointers? Nate has hit many clutch shots in his career with pressure, he should of had the shot end of story. </div> Are you kidding me? There was .9 seconds left in the game right? How do you expect a 5-9 Nate Robinson to sink a three with .9 seconds left in the game? The defender would be all over him, there will be absolutely no chance for him to even see past his defender. I have no idea why you are bashing the move by Isiah Thomas. They practice the move many times in practice, so why not use it in a real game? It worked didn't it? We cares if Curry is a fat center? I actually don't think he's fat, he's probably in the best shape of his career, seeing how he's playing some of his best basketball. If Curry can make a three, then why not let him? Especially since they have practiced the play many times in practice. Why not actually put it to use? Again, it worked. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">02Civic, if you actually bothered to watch all of the game you would of seen how the Bucks were tanking.</div> No, the Bucks were not tanking. Had the Bucks been actually tanking, Micheal Redd would not have played 44 minutes. Had the Bucks been tanking, Ruben Patterson would not have made that shot with .9 seconds left to give you the lead. Because that's not tanking. You don't tank by making a shot with .9 seconds left to give you the lead, because that would be called winning. And I'm sure if you were actually tanking, the game would not have gone to overtime. The Bucks are just a horrible team (which is why they are competing for the top pick of the draft) Also, the Knicks were just as injury depleted as the Bucks are, if not even more
<div class="quote_poster">Basketballer05 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> 02Civic, if you actually bothered to watch all of the game you would of seen how the Bucks were tanking.</div> Are you tanking your posts? It just seems like you aren't giving it your all? Are you resting your star material? Come on guy...if you actually bothered to read your posts you would see how BAsketballer05 is totally bias and just plain ignorant
Nate has hit numerous buzzer beating 3's over bigger players. For instance, the one against Philly last year. He took a shot right over a bigger player and won the game. He has done this many times, not just once.
<div class="quote_poster">Basketballer05 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nate has hit numerous buzzer beating 3's over bigger players. For instance, the one against Philly last year. He took a shot right over a bigger player and won the game. He has done this many times, not just once.</div> So? In those instances the Knicks still had some time to free Nate up, but in this circumstance, there was only .9 seconds left. Eddy Curry was basically left wide open, so why not give him the look if he can hit the three? Had Nate shot the ball with defenders dogging him, it probably would have been blocked. Eddy Curry was basically wide open
lol @ people trying to rationalize the Eddy Curry play as an obvious one. If he had missed the shot everyone would be all over Isiah for calling a boneheaded play. It was risky and it worked for them, but it was by no means a conventional call.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lol @ people trying to rationalize the Eddy Curry play as an obvious one. If he had missed the shot everyone would be all over Isiah for calling a boneheaded play. It was risky and it worked for them, but it was by no means a conventional call.</div> They practice the shot. So what if it wasn't conventional. Curry was basically left wide open anyways, and if they practice it in practice, then why not use it in a real game? Anyways, the shot went in. End of story.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post"> lol @ people trying to rationalize the Eddy Curry play as an obvious one. If he had missed the shot everyone would be all over Isiah for calling a boneheaded play. It was risky and it worked for them, but it was by no means a conventional call.</div> That game the Knicks didn’t even have much better options either. The only active players were Collins, Balkman, Jeffries, Frye, Rose, Cato, James, Randolph, and Robinson. Needless to say, with the exception of Robinson all of those players shoot around 20% or below from three-point range. Knowing this, the Bucks were looking to heavily contest Robinson, as they did. The only reason why Curry was so wide open was because the Bucks sagged off of him to contest Robinson. What do you mean rationalize the play? The Knicks drew up a play that they practiced throughout all seven months of the season. I’m not going to call Isiah a “genius” or anything, but it was a very smart decision which caught the Bucks by surprise. Had Avery Johnson or another coach used it I think there would be some different feedback. The fact that it was so unconventional is the reason why it worked—no one was expecting it. It was risky since it was never used during a game, but it was practiced extensively. Besides, Curry has been showing sporadic flashes of a jumper throughout the season. According to the coaching staff and Eddy himself, he has been working on his jumper. He obviously hasn’t used it since a center of his stature is most effective in the paint, especially surrounded by decent shooters (Q, Jamal, Steph, when they were healthy).
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That game the Knicks didn?t even have much better options either. The only active players were Collins, Balkman, Jeffries, Frye, Rose, Cato, James, Randolph, and Robinson. Needless to say, with the exception of Robinson all of those players shoot around 20% or below from three-point range. Knowing this, the Bucks were looking to heavily contest Robinson, as they did. The only reason why Curry was so wide open was because the Bucks sagged off of him to contest Robinson. What do you mean rationalize the play? The Knicks drew up a play that they practiced throughout all seven months of the season. I?m not going to call Isiah a ?genius? or anything, but it was a very smart decision which caught the Bucks by surprise. Had Avery Johnson or another coach used it I think there would be some different feedback. The fact that it was so unconventional is the reason why it worked?no one was expecting it. It was risky since it was never used during a game, but it was practiced extensively. Besides, Curry has been showing sporadic flashes of a jumper throughout the season. According to the coaching staff and Eddy himself, he has been working on his jumper. He obviously hasn?t used it since a center of his stature is most effective in the paint, especially surrounded by decent shooters (Q, Jamal, Steph, when they were healthy).</div> Mind giving me a link from a reliable source, telling me that the Knicks practiced this play for all 7 months of the season?
