Okay for one there is no definition to MVP. And don't say there is. The NBA enjoys hearing everybody argue about this stuff. Just think if the MVP had a certain definition then we'd all know whos already getting it and it would just be plain boring. Screw you all who think that the MVP is the most important player to "his" team. And screw you all who think MVP is the best player on the best team(chauncey billups WAS NOT the MVP last season). Kobe should stay in the discussion, and just to let you all know my vote is to DIRK.
<div class="quote_poster">jealous? Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">youth has nothing to do with it. maybe inexperience does if thats the case but youth alone has nothing at all to do with being able to contribute. seriously, lebron, kobe, t-mac..ect. were these guys too young to contribute when they first entered? nope. just a thought.</div> Your comparing those guys to the players that are on the Laker roster right now?!?!? You gotta be kidding me lol...
<div class="quote_poster">jealous? Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">youth has nothing to do with it. maybe inexperience does if thats the case but youth alone has nothing at all to do with being able to contribute. seriously, lebron, kobe, t-mac..ect. were these guys too young to contribute when they first entered? nope. just a thought.</div> You can't compare Bynum and Farmar to the likes of Lebron, Kobe, or T-Mac. Players all develop at different rates, take for example, Jermaine O'Neal
<div class="quote_poster">worldchamps9903 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">this guy is not a mvp. Scoring champion yes, but not mvp. Seriously if you need to score 50 points to a clippers team who's on a slump, you choke in the final and deciding 4th quarter you shouldn't be considered a mvp. not to mention how he didn't take the leader role and tell his team there's still one quarter to play and to stay focused and not get too far ahead of themselves. He just let his team give up a huge lead. perhaps the rest of the team would have helped if he wasn't too busy to try score 80 points. what was kobe trying to prove. Yes we know you can score at will, but so can other stars. Your team is on a downfall don't let the fans down by putting on a show of who's the best scorer, just get your team the win. Come on and this guy was supposed to be the next jordan? funny he isn't even the next <font size=""5"">pippen</font>. jordan wouldn't have been trying to score 80 and would have kept his team focused. discuss no having just want to know what ya'll think.</div> First of all Scottie rules. Second of all you don't know what you're talking about. You're making a mockery of NBA history by dissing Scottie and Kobe's acheivements and jocking Jordan. Kobe with his great play this season deserves to be in the conversation. Not win it, but to say he's not in the conversation is stupid. Your opinion is biased. And its funny how you say other stars can score at will. No they can't.
Kobe himself pulled out of the MVP race, but he is still top 5. However, with the Lakers slumping and thier multiple losing streaks this season, he's considered even less for the award than he was last year. Dirk or Nash all the way on this one, boys. When Kobe gets more help and doesn't have to rely on Smush anymore, and the Lakers start winning, Kobe will get his hardware. It's futile to expect "a scorer" (as they call him now) to win the MVP when his team is barely holding on to the playoffs.
<div class="quote_poster">Answer_AI03 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The definition of the MVP is the best player on the best team, and the lakers are not even remotely close to being the best team.</div> No its not, the definition is most valuable player, that can mean a number of things, if the award is going to be limited to the best player on the best team, then we might aswell not give the bloody thing out, because to be the best team, it takes alot more than one person to get to that level. Do you really think Dallas would be the best team this season, without Jason Terry, Devin Harris, Jerry Stackhouse and Josh Howard? No, Dirk couldnt carry that team to the playoffs, let alone the best record in the league. Kobe defines what an MVP is, he's a winner, he works hard to win, he carries the team when he needs to, thats the type of player an MVP should be. In my mind, its between Steve Nash and Kobe, I dont think Dirk should be considered, just for the fact he's "the best player on the best team", thats just stupid logic.
While there's no clear cut definition of MVP, there are different interpretations that are often used to support, or argue against, a certain player. But if history shows us anything, it's that the MVP goes to who is said to be the best player on one of the best teams. In the past 25 years, not a single MVP award has gone to a player whose team has had under 50 wins. I'm not saying that's right, but despite a great season that should at the very least see him involved in disccusions, if that kind of voting trend continues Kobe is facing some tough odds to win MVP.
Yeah, with the Lakers' record right now, I don't think he really deserves to be in the MVP count. Sure, he has have won games on his own and he is perhaps the best offensive player in the league, but as a leader and veteran, untill he cusses the team out, perhaps both in the locker room and publically, and gets them to play better, his value isn't that high. I mean, we might not make the playoffs, and even if we did, we'd be sweeped. Remove Kobe from the team and we'd have about 25-30something wins, which isn't much different than what we have today.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Do you really think Dallas would be the best team this season, without Jason Terry, Devin Harris, Jerry Stackhouse and Josh Howard?.</div>No, but without Dirk they would be a no. 8-seed team AT BEST. Dirk is the MVP. He is the most consistent player in the league by far since Tim Duncan of a couple of years back. Terry, Howard, Stack, as good as they are, all pretty streaky. Dirk is pretty much a rock. he doesn't do flashy Sporstscenter stuff but is the definiton of coming to play every night and being consistent. That kind of consistency and work ethic balances your team through the ups and downs of the season. But I think Avery has been the best thing to happen to him since his German coach, he's really brought out a mindset in him. But there should be more love for Bosh and Wade in the MVP discussion.
Brian, in response to your earlier comments, the Lakers do have talent, but like Shape said they just lack the mental toughness to stay consistent which is key in building a championship team. Does Duncan have tons of talent around him? No, but they are still a dynasty because they all play to their strengths and mesh as a team. Ginobili, Parker? These guys weren't exactly highly touted getting drafted. Bowen wouldn't start on most teams either, and Finley and Barry are both over-the-hill. I could be wrong, but I think that if Duncan was on the Lakers instead of Kobe, this team would win 50 games easily.
How does Wade belong in the convo when Shaq is the catalyst of that Heat team? Also, Wade has missed nearly 30 games. My vote goes to Dirk.
*THE DREAM runs in thread smacking Kobe fans left and right and then exits chanting "D WADE FOR MVP!!!"*
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Brian, in response to your earlier comments, the Lakers do have talent, but like Shape said they just lack the mental toughness to stay consistent which is key in building a championship team. Does Duncan have tons of talent around him? No, but they are still a dynasty because they all play to their strengths and mesh as a team. Ginobili, Parker? These guys weren't exactly highly touted getting drafted. Bowen wouldn't start on most teams either, and Finley and Barry are both over-the-hill. I could be wrong, but I think that if Duncan was on the Lakers instead of Kobe, this team would win 50 games easily.</div> Point taken. As for winning 50 games easily, I don't know about easily, but yes, I don't see why that can't happen if everyone stays healthy. Remember, this season most of us Laker fans were expecting a 50 win season. The Lakers were also on track for a 50 win season before all the injuries took place and completely threw us off course.
<div class="quote_poster">worldchamps9903 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">this guy is not a mvp. Scoring champion yes, but not mvp. Seriously if you need to score 50 points to a clippers team who's on a slump, you choke in the final and deciding 4th quarter you shouldn't be considered a mvp. not to mention how he didn't take the leader role and tell his team there's still one quarter to play and to stay focused and not get too far ahead of themselves. He just let his team give up a huge lead. perhaps the rest of the team would have helped if he wasn't too busy to try score 80 points. what was kobe trying to prove. Yes we know you can score at will, but so can other stars. Your team is on a downfall don't let the fans down by putting on a show of who's the best scorer, just get your team the win. Come on and this guy was supposed to be the next jordan? funny he isn't even the next pippen. jordan wouldn't have been trying to score 80 and would have kept his team focused. discuss no having just want to know what ya'll think.</div> So much for choking in the fourth quarter of a 50 point game. What a foolish way to judge someone. I love that percentage Kobe dropped on the Sonics today (70+%, 3/6 Three pointers).
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So much for choking in the fourth quarter of a 50 point game. What a foolish way to judge someone. I love that percentage Kobe dropped on the Sonics today (70+%, 3/6 Three pointers).</div> I'm still embarrassed by the fact that Kobe had to be Superman yet again. It wasn't like we were playing the Suns, or a top notch team, this was a Sonics team without Ray Allen, Luke Ridinour, and I believe, Earl Watson
