<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">14th April, 2007 - 1:18 pm Chicago Tribune - Several league sources said Ben Gordon is contemplating leaving longtime agent Billy Ceisler for David Falk. A spokesman for the players association said no paperwork had been filed, but one source said that a deal is done. Gordon wouldn't comment, and Falk didn't respond to a phone message left at his office in Washington D.C. [READ]</div> Source Anybody think it will effect the Bulls re-signing him or anything? I don't know if he had a problem or something with his old agent or soon to be, because he has never been able to get him a new contract yet because rookies get set deals.
I am not familiar with either agent, but Falk has probably had a better record in negotiating contract extensions with his clients in the past, with Gordon up for a contract extension this summer this might be the reason.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If Gordon is doing this to drain the franchise I don't want him around much longer.</div> Putting yourself in position to secure the best financial future possible for yourself/your family is nothing to be looked down upon. This is a business after all.
<div class="quote_poster">I-Miss-MJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">8 million or 10 million you can live on both.</div> But how many generations of your family can? Also remember that although these guys make plenty of money the life style they lead also requires them to spend a lot. The way I look at it, a organization holds no loyalty to a player should his play slip/he have a career ending injury (we helped out Jay but in general). So you have to get what you can especially considering you don't have that many years to play in the league.
<div class="quote_poster">Blur Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Putting yourself in position to secure the best financial future possible for yourself/your family is nothing to be looked down upon. This is a business after all.</div> For the better of this franchise and from a realistic standpoint that's complete bullcrap. Good point made by I-Miss-MJ for instance. You realize how much he's making now? Right now he makes enough money for himself, his family, his friends, and sure let's add two or three more families to that list as well. He's still going to get a lot more money after this season, that's for sure and he deserves it, but if he wants a bloated contract I'd rather ditch him in a sign and trade deal on draft day instead of taking the risk of losing important players in the future due to money issues. Understandably this is a business, but there's a major difference between getting what you deserve to have your fun and being a greedy piece of trash. Anyway, I'm just making that point clear. I really don't think he's actually switching for the purpose of draining the franchise, but you never know is all. That's how sports athletes are. The money is too overwhelming. I'm not worried though, Pax won't do something stupid. I bet that it is most likely Gordon is switching agents for marketing purposes. Notice he doesn't have any major deals. He can make plenty of extra cash by doing commercials, magazine adds, etc. <div class="quote_poster">Blur Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">But how many generations of your family can? Also remember that although these guys make plenty of money the life style they lead also requires them to spend a lot. The way I look at it, a organization holds no loyalty to a player should his play slip/he have a career ending injury (we helped out Jay but in general). So you have to get what you can especially considering you don't have that many years to play in the league.</div> Actually, in the US and Canada, franchises help out players when in need. A lot of the contracts these players sign have clauses in which if they can no longer play due to injury or certain other reasonable circumstances they are imbursed with a cash amount that is suitable for retirement. This is one of the major reasons players want to play in this region aside from the massive amount of money they can earn.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">For the better of this franchise and from a realistic standpoint that's complete bullcrap. Good point made by I-Miss-MJ for instance. You realize how much he's making now? Right now he makes enough money for himself, his family, his friends, and sure let's add two or three more families to that list as well. He's still going to get a lot more money after this season, that's for sure and he deserves it, but if he wants a bloated contract I'd rather ditch him in a sign and trade deal on draft day instead of taking the risk of losing important players in the future due to money issues. Understandably this is a business, but there's a major difference between getting what you deserve to have your fun and being a greedy piece of trash. Anyway, I'm just making that point clear. I really don't think he's actually switching for the purpose of draining the franchise, but you never know is all. That's how sports athletes are. The money is too overwhelming. I'm not worried though, Pax won't do something stupid. I bet that it is most likely Gordon is switching agents for marketing purposes. Notice he doesn't have any major deals. He can make plenty of extra cash by doing commercials, magazine adds, etc. </div> Your looking it from a franchise point of view, while I'm thinking about the player instead of the franchise in this case. As professional sports have shown multiple times through the years when you start to decline in your ability, no matter what you accomplished or how good you where. They will cut you loose. Like the old saying goes your worth what someone is willing to pay you. If Gordon wants to hire an agent that will negotiate a better deal for him, why are you going to hate on him for looking out for his best interests? Its complete bull to expect a player not to try and make as much money as he can during the course of 15-20 yrs (best case), and put generations of his family in the best situation possible. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually, in the US and Canada, franchises help out players when in need. A lot of the contracts these players sign have clauses in which if they can no longer play due to injury or certain other reasonable circumstances they are imbursed with a cash amount that is suitable for retirement. This is one of the major reasons players want to play in this region aside from the massive amount of money they can earn.</div> You will get reimbursed, but no where near the amount of money you would make other wise. In other words if LeBrons career ends today I doubt he will get a 120 million dollar contract. You never know whats going to happen and you have to make as much as you can while your still capable. He is looking out for his best interest if he doesn't no one else will.
<div class="quote_poster">Blur Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Your looking it from a franchise point of view, while I'm thinking about the player instead of the franchise in this case. As professional sports have shown multiple times through the years when you start to decline in your ability, no matter what you accomplished or how good you where. They will cut you loose. Like the old saying goes your worth what someone is willing to pay you. If Gordon wants to hire an agent that will negotiate a better deal for him, why are you going to hate on him for looking out for his best interests? Its complete bull to expect a player not to try and make as much money as he can during the course of 15-20 yrs (best case), and put generations of his family in the best situation possible.</div> That's perfectly fine if you want to take it from that view, but if Gordon wants a bloated contract you can kiss Deng, Nocioni and likely Tyrus Thomas good bye as well in the future. With our current roster we can't afford someone who will want a massive deal since we already have to pay huge amounts to Ben Wallace every season. Another bloated contract equals the ultimate death of the franchise unless Gordon starts averaging 30 + PPG every season. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">In other words if LeBrons career ends today I doubt he will get a 120 million dollar contract</div> Of course not, he doesn't even deserve that type of money now. No player in this league does. However, he would still likely garnish a deal of close to ten million, which is enough to retire, have a family and keep them secure.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That's perfectly fine if you want to take it from that view, but if Gordon wants a bloated contract you can kiss Deng, Nocioni and likely Tyrus Thomas good bye as well in the future. With our current roster we can't afford someone who will want a massive deal since we already have to pay huge amounts to Ben Wallace every season. Another bloated contract equals the ultimate death of the franchise unless Gordon starts averaging 30 + PPG every season.</div> Your taking the view the franchise likely would in this situation, and that of a fan thinking of the team future. But I'm speaking strictly as someone who is looking out for the best interest of Ben Gordon. That is how they view this, and if he gets more money out of having a different agent. More power to him, he made a good move on his part. In securing the best deal for himself. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Of course not, he doesn't even deserve that type of money now. No player in this league does. However, he would still likely garnish a deal of close to ten million, which is enough to retire, have a family and keep them secure.</div> You see the life style these players live, they make plenty of money, but also spend plenty of it. Not to mention the portion that is taken from them by the government in taxes. Who is too say ten million is enough for them to retire on? Mike Tyson probably thought his financial future was pretty stable a few years ago didn't he? You just never know...
<div class="quote_poster">Blur Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Your taking the view the franchise likely would in this situation, and that of a fan thinking of the team future. But I'm speaking strictly as someone who is looking out for the best interest of Ben Gordon. That is how they view this, and if he gets more money out of having a different agent. More power to him, he made a good move on his part. In securing the best deal for himself.</div> You're writing of that view from the players, yes, that would be the point of why I responded with; <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That's perfectly fine if you want to take it from that view</div> I understand where you're coming, believe me. But, as a fan yourself, I wouldn't be too thrilled if Gordon wanted to drain the franchise. You seem quite thrilled at the fact that if he would do this you have absolutely no problem and would give him credit to destroying the future of this franchise's youth movement. <div class="quote_poster">Blur Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You see the life style these players live, they make plenty of money, but also spend plenty of it. Not to mention the portion that is taken from them by the government in taxes. Who is too say ten million is enough for them to retire on? Mike Tyson probably thought his financial future was pretty stable a few years ago didn't he? You just never know...</div> Oh boy, Mike Tyson blew his money away by his own account. If a man is retired it is his own problem to ruin his future with that massive amount of money which most people hope to earn in their lifetimes. There is a major difference between reality and fantasyland when retirement comes around due to injury, your own choice or other. If you can't handle that, then hey, go back to work or suffer. Things change drastically when you become an adult and money doesn't grow on trees. With ten million anyone would still have enough to have some fun, you're just not going to be able to buy five to twenty vehicles, gold bathtubs and earrings that cost so much it could buy a family a two-story home. lol So anyway bro, let's just hope this new agent talk is about marketing opportunities. Afterall, he has said too many times that he doesn't want to play anywhere else.
<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You're writing of that view from the players, yes, that would be the point of why I responded with; I understand where you're coming, believe me. But, as a fan yourself, I wouldn't be too thrilled if Gordon wanted to drain the franchise. You seem quite thrilled at the fact that if he would do this you have absolutely no problem and would give him credit to destroying the future of this franchise's youth movement.</div> I wouldn't be thrilled, but I don't feel its right to blame someone for trying to do what's best for themselves. Like I said your worth whatever someone is willing to pay you, if the organization pays the money then its their own fault, but as a player you got to try and get whatever you can. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh boy, Mike Tyson blew his money away by his own account. If a man is retired it is his own problem to ruin his future with that massive amount of money which most people hope to earn in their lifetimes. There is a major difference between reality and fantasyland when retirement comes around due to injury, your own choice or other. If you can't handle that, then hey, go back to work or suffer. Things change drastically when you become an adult and money doesn't grow on trees. With ten million anyone would still have enough to have some fun, you're just not going to be able to buy five to twenty vehicles, gold bathtubs and earrings that cost so much it could buy a family a two-story home. lol </div> Agreed that Tyson ruined his own future, but it is an example of how some athletes can waste money. Its also the way of life that for 99% of people no matter how much money you have you will always want more. For every extra million he makes you can add another generation of Gordon's who won't have to work a day in their lives.
Yep, can't disagree. However, I'm still in the reality of it all rather then the "lifestyle." But, I really don't think that Gordon will go for the bloated contract. I'm not blaming him for anything because he hasn't made any motions as to what he wants to do either. Understandably so anyone would want to secure the future of their family, but from another standpoint away from the NBA view believe me that a few million is plenty to retire on and secure financial help for your family and their future as well if you're careful and smart with that money.
Anyone remember BG7 the energy drink? I remeber looking up the company who makes it and its some cheap hip-hop company that's pretty much no-name as far as I know. I would bet a lot would have to do with marketing purposes as M Two One said. His agent now isn't very popular from what the internet is telling em and this new guy use to be the biggest guy in the NBA with clients like Michael Jordan but it should be noted he has fell off since then and holds no super star clients. So yeah I would say for marketing purposes he's switching.
I have to agree with M 2 1. A lot of these athletes want the most money out of some dumb pride/respect/greed trip, rather than combining a nice salary with a chance to be on a great team. For example, Joe Johnson, why the HELL did he leave Phoenix to go to Atlanta? Biggest mistake of his career. He probably thought he was the next Jordan. WRONG. You were a very solid guard with a chance to be on a championship team. Most of these guys will realize that after you buy your 4th Bentley, none of it matters that much. Money can't buy happiness - - apparently some of these kids didn't get that memo..... And $10m? If managed WISELY, you can retire on that.... but you wont' buy all that needless ostentatious crap, which is a good thing. I mean, I think if it's your money, you should spend it how you like, but personally, I would not feel good if my gold faucets could feed 10 families for a year....
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