This is just a cut and paste job from some Utah Jazz blog but I thought you guys would like to know that we were not seeing a mirage last year: For all the talk about how Fisher?s leadership would help the Jazz in the playoffs, I didn?t see much of it last night. I saw him take a few ill-advised shots, make a couple of turnovers, but most of all, I saw him get absolutely torched by Tracy McGrady. It isn?t really his fault. I love Fish. I?ve interviewed him a couple of times and I think he?s a real class act. I love that he?s on the Jazz. But I don?t think he should be getting the amount of minutes he?s getting. Seems he still thinks he's MJ.
<div class="quote_poster">philsmith75 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This is just a cut and paste job from some Utah Jazz blog but I thought you guys would like to know that we were not seeing a mirage last year: For all the talk about how Fisher?s leadership would help the Jazz in the playoffs, I didn?t see much of it last night. I saw him take a few ill-advised shots, make a couple of turnovers, but most of all, I saw him get absolutely torched by Tracy McGrady. It isn?t really his fault. I love Fish. I?ve interviewed him a couple of times and I think he?s a real class act. I love that he?s on the Jazz. But I don?t think he should be getting the amount of minutes he?s getting. Seems he still thinks he's MJ.</div> What doeas he mean by that? Did Fisher used to think he was as good as Micheal? If so that's pretty funny of him..
<div class="quote_poster">lakers_kb24 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What doeas he mean by that? Did Fisher used to think he was as good as Micheal? If so that's pretty funny of him..</div>
Yes, D-Fish thinks he's Jordan re-incarnate -- the only difference is he thinks he can shoot better. Ahh, I remember the day we traded him -- one of my happiest days as a GS fan. Still a good human being, though. Just frustrating to have on your team.
anyone see that clip of him missing that wide open layup? http://youtube.com/watch?v=tt-pqstxyHI just like when he was on the warriors always bricking those layups and trying to get a foul call. You even hear him scream like he got fouled!
Fisher... he's right up there with Adonal Foyle on class act nice guys that don't play their positions like they should be doing. The difference is, on a team with an inside and outside threat, Fisher really shines. Kobe drives in, kicks out, Fish hits the 3. Shaq posts up, gets doubled, kicks out, Fisher shoots a three. He's not totally useless when a coach knows how to use him right and he's got the right first and second option players. But when you don't got a shooting guard like Kobe or a big man like Shaq, he thinks he's the number one guy. When he thinks he's the number one guy, he starts trying to create his own shots and do all this crap off the dribble that he shouldn't be doing because he's simply not that good. Fundamentals wise, he's very good as a point (he passes, protects the ball pretty well when he's not trying to force the issue, and he can play some defense within reasonable matchups). But upstairs wise, he's just a bad decision maker sometimes. He can be as bad as Pietrus. Sigh... He makes stupid fouls sometimes and he turns it over trying to be this guy who thinks he is like Baron Davis with the ball. He starts shooting off the dribble which is his own low % shot to take. He shoots the ball when nobody is around to even rebound underneath the basket... He is a momentum killer when he shoots when the shotclock is still fresh and he's like a sub 40% or high 30% shooter when nobody sets him up to do a set shot
Fisher is a liability, a pylon. The worst player the warriors have suited up since jason caffey. Fisher would have washed out of the NBA if it wasnt for pure luck being on the Lakers where all his diffiencies could be hidden. He could do the one offensive thing he can do, spot up and hit wide open shots..... with Shaq he got a lot of those looks. Defensively, having SHaq to prtoect and wipe away his mistakes he could take risks, get burned usually as he cant keep a chair in front of him, but with Kobe cheating and Shaq waiting you never saw how poor a defender he is until he didnt have that was exposed on the Warriors.
<div class="quote_poster">lakers_kb24 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What doeas he mean by that? Did Fisher used to think he was as good as Micheal? If so that's pretty funny of him..</div> That last line was my line, not the blogger's. Sorry for the misunderstanding. On this board we used to ride Fish because he was jacking up shots like he was MJ. In Fish's defense, I don't think we can say he was just along for the ride for 3 rings, he was an integral part of that team, he hit big shots and was a pretty good defender when he was younger. However, as he's gotten older (which we all do) he's gotten slower and tries to rely more on smarts than staying in front. He's probably a reason why the Jazz started out so hot (well him and Deron).
Actually Phil, i would say a healthy Boozer, an emerging Deron Williams and to a lesser extent a helathy Kirelennko are the reasons for the UTah return to the playoffs plus some solid youngsters in milsap and brewer. Fisher was a passenger once again. A passenger who has the door open dragging one foot and you just wish he would fall out of the car. And i would absolutely say he was along for the ride for those rings. Keep in mind, in crunch time, they brought in B-shaw, ron harper and lindsay hunter while sitting fisher and finally a very old and slow gary payton who fisher sat behind all season . He hasnt gotten slower unless you consider him going from a crawl to a complete stop. He took risks all the time with Shaq there to wipe out his mistakes. He has always been a clown who cant finish near the rim, throwing up air ball lay ups. Froim his rookie year backing up van exel until 2000 when i got the nba package for the first time all i really had was laker games here so that is what i watched. So i knew very well what a complete waste of roster space fisher was and was screaming at the tv when espn announced his signing. To me it was like throwing in the towel proving we truly were the worst franchise and i thought Mullin should have been fired that very moment he signed the liability If you call fisher integral to the lakers that is like saying barnes is integral to warriors success. Yeah they each have had moments of stepping up..... but you could plug hundreds of players in the same role.
I dunno -- Barnes has been pretty key at times, especially in game 1 vs. Dallas... but yeah, DFish still sucks!
barnes was pretty much normal barnes tonight.... a step ahead of pietrus the moron in court awareness and intelligence..... barnes in the middle of the ...um..... fight? instigating.... dumb passes..... forcing that one break was ridiculous..... i would take barnes over fisher any day.....
<div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">barnes was pretty much normal barnes tonight.... a step ahead of pietrus the moron in court awareness and intelligence..... barnes in the middle of the ...um..... fight? instigating.... dumb passes..... forcing that one break was ridiculous..... i would take barnes over fisher any day.....</div> I suppose both Fisher and Barnes get carried away with trying to be too much and do too much. Both Fisher and Barnes can be very important role players. Fisher can be a decent PG, Barnes can be a strong versatile and hustle player. Not to forget, when these players are on with their shot, they look tremendous. Problem is, they are both slightly streaky shooters and can play out of their efficient zone (way out of their efficient zone at times), make bad decisions, and hurt the team during games. But I would say Barnes and Fisher are legit reserves for an NBA team, well at least Barnes with the Warriors. The conflict right now with the Warriors' bench is that it is so thin that you need production from Barnes so the team doesn't lose too much of an advantage against opposing teams' benches. I would definitley take Barnes over Fisher though. Fisher is just too slow to guard many quality pg's and guards in the league. Barnes isn't that great, but he is a little better than Fisher.
I think for the fans, it depends on which Barnes or Fisher shows up. For a while Barnes and Fisher were doing a bunch of good things (shots going down, some assists, either drawn charge or defensive stop), but then they do something stupid to undo it all. Sigh... I guess they ain't perfect, so I hope the GMs don't overpay them! That was Mullin's big mistake in getting Murphy + Dunleavy and older FA's Adonal Foyle and Derek Fisher. 3 years letter, we're not even halfway through their ugly contracts. Good thing Mullin was able to jettison 3/4's of them (probably at the pressure of Don Nelson saying the Warriors won't make the playoffs and that Dunleavy was a failure and he doesn't have any strengths and that Troy Murphy was too limited and soft on defense). I knew Murphy would be out, because if Nelson hated Raef La Frentz, chances are he'd probably hate Murphy even worse. Then Dunleavy... obviously... this guy ain't going to do point forward worth jack if he ain't shooting the ball well or at least posting up once on a guy smaller than 6'9 and lighter than 230 lbs. I still think Antoine Walker does more than him despite taking too many 3's. Dunleavy... not a nba starter... Nelson knew it. He doesn't fit a position or anywhere near the starting lineup. Not next to Troy Murphy at least. I know me, Wtwalker, and philsmith had many arguments about the frontline we had with Dun and Murph. But I love those two (wtwalker and philsmith), so whatever differences we had was all in good fun and for W's discussion.
