It's a Win-Win situation for us, no need to overreact

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  1. illmatic

    illmatic JBB JustBBall Member

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    Alright, I'm sure you think things look bad, we're down 2-0.

    Here's the deal. We lose this series 4-0 or 4-1, then Management is forced to make moves over the offseason and with Stephen A. speaking out about KG calling Kobe and make things happen, I guarantee this will become a reality if things are going like this.

    The other hand is, we come back, and take care business at home and we regroup and even the series 2-2.

    I don't agree with Barkley saying we should Run with the Suns, but I do agree with him that DEFENSE is our biggest problem.

    You don't play your opponent with their game, you adjust and play YOUR game to your favor. If we run with the Suns, we're going to get killed. They don't play defense, but we don't either, difference is their Offense is FAR superior then ours, so Chuck's idea won't work.

    We gotta stop playing Smush out of pity, and give Farmar and Sasha the majority of the minutes. We don't keep Kobe on the bench anymore to start the 2nd quarter. We're in the (bleep) playoffs, we need him every second we can, and rest him for only a couple minutes, he can handle it, I promise.

    Second, we have to start feeding Bynum more in the post.

    Sasha can contain Barbosa a little bit, maybe not STOP him, but we just need to contain him.

    Anyways, don't get too depressed about this series so far. Phoenix came back from 3-1 last year, it's not the end of the world at 2-0, especially since these two games are SUPPOSED to be won by the BETTER and Home team.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. K8BE24

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    thank you. other than you, i feel as if im the only Laker alive.
     
  3. yodawgsup

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    <div class="quote_poster">illmatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
    Here's the deal. We lose this series 4-0 or 4-1, then Management is forced to make moves over the offseason and with Stephen A. speaking out about KG calling Kobe and make things happen, I guarantee this will become a reality if things are going like this.

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    Oh, really? What are we gonna do, add Sasha to the mix as well?

    Don't kid yourself man. We don't have the pieces Minnesota would want.
     
  4. illmatic

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    <div class="quote_poster">yodawgsup Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Oh, really? What are we gonna do, add Sasha to the mix as well?

    Don't kid yourself man. We don't have the pieces Minnesota would want.</div>

    Neither did Miami for Shaq or Denver for Iverson.

    I rest my case. [​IMG]
     
  5. lakers_kb24

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    <div class="quote_poster">illmatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Neither did Miami for Shaq or Denver for Iverson.

    I rest my case. [​IMG]</div>

    Good point..[​IMG]
     
  6. AKIRA

    AKIRA GO LAKERS!!!

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    those requested a trade, kg hasnt, stupid point. the most likely of cases is we lose this searies 4-0 or 4-1, then come the offseason we make no moves for a player of kg's caliber, odom still exists on the team and all we get is a good point gaurd, which is not enough. dont expect that mitch will ever do anything good, he never has in the past so what makes you think he will now? some of the more optimistic laker fans here need to rethink their predictions, im sure we will make changes this offseason, and im sure we will have a better team than this year, but we wont have KG or JO or anyone like that, its unrealistic and ointless to continue beleiving we have a chance at aquiring this type of player.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">AKIRA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">those requested a trade, kg hasnt, stupid point. the most likely of cases is we lose this searies 4-0 or 4-1, then come the offseason we make no moves for a player of kg's caliber, odom still exists on the team and all we get is a good point gaurd, which is not enough. dont expect that mitch will ever do anything good, he never has in the past so what makes you think he will now? some of the more optimistic laker fans here need to rethink their predictions, im sure we will make changes this offseason, and im sure we will have a better team than this year, but we wont have KG or JO or anyone like that, its unrealistic and ointless to continue beleiving we have a chance at aquiring this type of player.</div>

    Dude! id be happy with that! As long as we stay healthy, that good PG will help us get 50+ wins
     
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    I agree with illmatic, Smush is killing us with his play, attitude and body language. Farmar has been great but we forget about him in the second half. I would put Sasha or Shuman on Barbosa. I would also foul him hard couple of times just to send a message that this is not a layup drill (cuz this is what it looks like it is). If Suns foul our player hard, it is better for us... game becomes slow and grimy.

    We need to feed the post to whoever is in there… it is a must! I would rather miss in the post than a long shot that will lead to a fast break. I saw Bynum and Kwame fight for a good post spot only to see our guards fake the ball to them for like 5 seconds. This makes them lose the spot, takes a lot of time off the 24 clock, puts them out of position to fight for a rebound, and discourages them from playing D. When we swing the ball, post players need to get it right away while the defender is still adjusting to the ball being moved.

    And why the hell didn’t Rony play when we started to lose it on D in the second quarter???

    One last thing…. Why the hell are we not running back on D?
     
  9. illmatic

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    <div class="quote_poster">AKIRA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">those requested a trade, kg hasnt, stupid point. the most likely of cases is we lose this searies 4-0 or 4-1, then come the offseason we make no moves for a player of kg's caliber, odom still exists on the team and all we get is a good point gaurd, which is not enough. dont expect that mitch will ever do anything good, he never has in the past so what makes you think he will now? some of the more optimistic laker fans here need to rethink their predictions, im sure we will make changes this offseason, and im sure we will have a better team than this year, but we wont have KG or JO or anyone like that, its unrealistic and ointless to continue beleiving we have a chance at aquiring this type of player.</div>

    Um.....that's why I said it's up to KG to demand the trade to Los Angeles and opt out of his contract.

    The only thing getting in the way that I can think of if he does that is that we're in the same conference, but I think they owe it to KG to send him where he wants to go, and we have some pieces Minny might want.

    Secondly, far too much blame gets put on Mitch Kupchak. I've been very critical of him in the past, and thought some of his moves and non-moves have been suspect, but all in all, he's done a great job.

    Before parting ways with this team, he wanted to give them another chance in the playoffs with everyone healthy and see if Last years playoffs was just a fluke or if we really were the real deal.

    Well, the answer is coming out. Also, Kupchak is not the only person solely responsible. Jim Buss, Jerry Buss, and Phil Jackson also play VITAL roles in who gets traded, who doesn't, if we make moves, etc. So you fellas need to chill on the Kupchak hate.
     
  10. Shapecity

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    Sorry I haven't chimed in on the playoffs yet, just got back from vacation. I like to think the Lakers can still have a respectable showing in the series now that it's heading back to LA.

    The Lakers need a spark, just like Phoenix needed one last year. Phoenix got it's spark after Raja Bell clothelined Kobe Bryant.

    This idea ran through my head during morning traffic, Sasha should clothesline Steve Nash!
     
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    That won't help us at all. I'm more afraid of Barbosa than Nash. We can't even touch this PHX team, they're too damn good.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This idea ran through my head during morning traffic, Sasha should clothesline Steve Nash!</div>

    I'm sorry, but Sasha is too p*ssy. At least Raja Bell had the balls to clothesline someone, but everyone on our team, besides a selective few, are all mentally weak, scared p*ssies.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That won't help us at all. I'm more afraid of Barbosa than Nash. We can't even touch this PHX team, they're too damn good.</div>

    Then let's heve Smush clothesline Barbosa, then they would have no more PG's left.. MWAHAHAHAHA..
     
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    Even if we cant land KG or JO, like some of you said we should get a solid PG and KICK Smush of the team. Then if we are healthy we could still be a decent team to win 50+. But, i would rather land KG and get a championship.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">The Legend Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Even if we cant land KG or JO, like some of you said we should get a solid PG and KICK Smush of the team. Then if we are healthy we could still be a decent team to win 50+. But, i would rather land KG and get a championship.</div>

    Yeah, me too, we don't hjave time to go through rebuilding stages and just waste away Kobe's prime.. Any thoughts on who we could get at pg?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">lakers_kb24 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, me too, we don't hjave time to go through rebuilding stages and just waste away Kobe's prime.. Any thoughts on who we could get at pg?</div>

    Charlie Bell and Steve Blake are two solid point guards I feel we should target with the MLE. None are big name superstars, but they can play their role and give us solid contribution night in and night out.
     
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    Yeah, I like Steve Blake since he can also play defence. Will denver possibly release him? Can Charlie Bell play good defence? As far as I know he's pretty good at offence.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">lakers_kb24 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I like Steve Blake since he can also play defence. Will denver possibly release him? Can Charlie Bell play good defence? As far as I know he's pretty good at offence.</div>

    I'm pretty sure Steve Blake will be a free agent this offseason, along with Charlie Bell. As for their defense, neither are known to be lock-down defenders, but both are solid, and will be a HUGE upgrade over what we've had to go through in the past couple of years (Smush Parker, Chucky Atkins)
     
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    The problem last night was our offense, not our defense.

    Half of the triangle offense relies on penetrating the defense with a pass to the post and then playing inside-out. While the Suns rely on dribble penetration to break through the defense, we rely on feeding the post.

    The Suns did an excellent job of sandwiching the post, thus forcing us to play from the perimeter. That ended up with two things:

    1. Kobe being forced to handle the ball more than we want.
    2. The team tossing up threes like our lives depended on it.

    Both of these options would lead us to bad shots, which would lead to a long rebound, which would lead to a deep pass and a touchdown by the Suns in less than 7 seconds. Everytime.

    This postseason's Suns are a much more dangerous team defensively because they have Amare to anchor the D. The Lakers must figure out how to slow down the game, get the ball safetly to the middle and play inside-out.
     
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    Hmmmm I agree with you on how we were playing our offense, but I disagree with you on our defense. I was pretty pathetic... And if Kwame had BALLS he wouldn't be letting people like barbosa, Diaw, Marion, basically the whole Suns team in to the lane...
     

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