yeah true. shaq is portrayed as this lovable funny guy in the media and kobe the evil one and stuff...thats not true...they are both just as resonsible for the relationship they have
<div class="quote_poster">elevate Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">yeah true. shaq is portrayed as this lovable funny guy in the media and kobe the evil one and stuff...thats not true...they are both just as resonsible for the relationship they have</div> I really wonder why they see Shaq as like that, while completely ignoring his bad traits.. But, for Kobe it seems reverse, the media just see Kobe's bad side and his mistakes in games, and completely forget about the good things he has done for charity and stuff.
its cuz shaq is def. a funny guy. everyone knows hes funny....but thats the reason his bad side is totally ignored....you gotta look at the whole picture.
Kobe never had a realistic shot of winning the MVP. Though one number does stand out for him. Since the allstar break, he's averaged 43 ppg in the 12 Laker wins. Wow.
thats what im saying...tell me he isnt valuable with that stat...and durvasa do YOU personally think kobe should win?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe never had a realistic shot of winning the MVP. Though one number does stand out for him. Since the allstar break, he's averaged 43 ppg in the 12 Laker wins. Wow.</div> Yeah, that's a pretty amazing stat. But, the one thing that made him lose the MVP award was stated right there too.. Only 12 wins since the sll-star break..
but look at his teammates...lamar odom hasnt done what he had before in miami....and everyone else is really young....its not kobes fault.
lol, Kobe didn't deserve MVP this year, plain and simple. Elevate, your rational explaination for Kobe to win the MVP is because of his 50 point games and what not. Being a scorer doesn't necessairly mean a player is an MVP. See: Allen Iverson. Furthermore, going by your logic, if Kobe didn't win it last year when he averaged 35, led the Lakers to a better record than this year, AND scored 81 points in the midst of it all, what makes you think he had even a CHANCE of winning it this year when Nash played better than his previous MVP years and Dirk led his team to 67 wins? I'm not at all surprised he didn't get first place votes, I wouldn't have voted for him either. Yeah, the Lakers would be down in Memphis territory without him being there, but was Kobe really more valueable to the Lakers then say, Chris Bosh to the Raptors? Anyways, I don't really wanna see the whole "if Kobe was on the Raptors" scenario as a defence, because you simply can't use that as an arguement; it's a moot point since the situation doesn't exist. The Lakers barely won after the All-Star break, haven't beaten a winning team since being Utah in FEBRUARY, had two seperate 7 game losing streaks and barely squeaked into the playoffs. To be honest, the team really sucks. Kobe will not get MVP unless the teammates that surround him are better, or produce more. Like I always say... Smush Parker as a starting point guard?!?!?
yeah im complaining about both years this year and last year....whatever you say wont change my mind so theres no point. i think kobe deserved it both years.
<div class="quote_poster">elevate Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">but look at his teammates...lamar odom hasnt done what he had before in miami....and everyone else is really young....its not kobes fault.</div> Yeah, I know it isn't but, the Media dosen't see it like that.. Thay see it as if it's the Los Angeles Bryant, and they completely disregard the ineptness of Kobe's suporting cast, and also completely ignore the the great supporting casts of Dirk and Nas. I mean, I would kill to have Amare over Kwame and Josh over Odom.
<div class="quote_poster">lakers_kb24 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I know it isn't but, the Media dosen't see it like that.. Thay see it as if it's the Los Angeles Bryant, and they completely disregard the ineptness of Kobe's suporting cast, and also completely ignore the the great supporting casts of Dirk and Nas. I mean, I would kill to have Amare over Kwame and Josh over Odom.</div> How is it Nash's or Dirk's fault who surrounds them? Just like you say that it's not Kobe's fault that is teammates suck, how can you blame Nash and Dirk for having good teammates? To be a elite team, you need good teammates! I think that's the point that most "KOBE FOR MVP" screaming fans seem to be missing. Realistically, Kobe is doing the same things that Allen Iverson had been doing his whole career in Philly. Last year, you could make an arguement about Kobe being the MVP because his team's record vastly improved from the year before, he was hands down the greatest player in the league, and the Lakers were 11-3 heading into the playoffs and were considered a darkhorse team. This year? 2 games over .500 to finish the season, 2 seperate 5+ game losing streaks, and Kobe's season was outshined for the most part by the productivity of Nash and Dirk's team success. You can't expect to be given MVP consideration when your team flat out stinks. I don't understand why he is an MVP simply because he had 4 straight 50 point games. It's an amazing feat, undoubtedly, but it really puts into perspective how much HELP he needs. He had to choose that path because the Lakers were simply that BAD when he didn't take matters into his own hands. Best player in the league? Hands down. MVP? No.
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How is it Nash's or Dirk's fault who surrounds them? Just like you say that it's not Kobe's fault that is teammates suck, how can you blame Nash and Dirk for having good teammates? To be a elite team, you need good teammates! I think that's the point that most "KOBE FOR MVP" screaming fans seem to be missing. Realistically, Kobe is doing the same things that Allen Iverson had been doing his whole career in Philly. Last year, you could make an arguement about Kobe being the MVP because his team's record vastly improved from the year before, he was hands down the greatest player in the league, and the Lakers were 11-3 heading into the playoffs and were considered a darkhorse team. This year? 2 games over .500 to finish the season, 2 seperate 5+ game losing streaks, and Kobe's season was outshined for the most part by the productivity of Nash and Dirk's team success. You can't expect to be given MVP consideration when your team flat out stinks. I don't understand why he is an MVP simply because he had 4 straight 50 point games. It's an amazing feat, undoubtedly, but it really puts into perspective how much HELP he needs. He had to choose that path because the Lakers were simply that BAD when he didn't take matters into his own hands. Best player in the league? Hands down. MVP? No.</div> I din't actually blame Nash and Dirk that they have great supporting casts. I said that the media forgets that they have great supporting casts and it's as if they the team record to be as it is because of the Nash and Dirk alone, but in fact they have great help.
<div class="quote_poster">lakers_kb24 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I din't actually blame Nash and Dirk that they have great supporting casts. I said that the media forgets that they have great supporting casts and it's as if they the team record to be as it is because of the Nash and Dirk alone, but in fact they have great help.</div> Yes, they do have great help, but they are the centerpeices of thier respective teams, and are the catalysts of thier team's records, similar to Kobe. Okay, to all you "KOBE FOR MVP!" fans, think of it this way (hypothetical situation!): If next year, the Lakers finish with a 63-19 record, finish first in the Pacific, first in the West and have the best record in the NBA, would you give the MVP award to Kobe Bryant? Or would you give it to someone like Kevin Garnett, who happens to lead his team to a 40-42 record, and barely manages to scrape them into the playoffs? Now, just imagine if Kevin Garnett had monster 40 point, 20 rebound games all season long, but the Wolves kept on losing, while Kobe posted up solid numbers and solidified himself as one of the best team players in the league. Who deserves it more in that scenario? The same situation applies here, only Kobe is in Garnett's shoes. I know you think that Kobe didn't win/get voted first because the media has a bias towards Kobe, and they do, but I think his team record shines out more than anything else at this point and time. The Lakers need to revamp, and fast because we are wasting the talent of one of the greatest individual players that this league has ever known.
<div class="quote_poster">elevate Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">thats what im saying...tell me he isnt valuable with that stat...and durvasa do YOU personally think kobe should win?</div> No, I wouldn't. I'd put Dirk, Nash, Duncan, and even T-Mac ahead of him actually. I don't consider MVP a strictly individual award. BTW, when Wilt averaged 50 ppg in 1962, he did not win MVP that year. Same with Jordan when he averaged 37 ppg.
<div class="quote_poster">elevate Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i think they shouldnt grade the team records so high...it should also include individual performance...and i say kobe would take that</div> individual performance plus making the playoffs
These arguments for Kobe as MVP are ridiculous and the media bias has decreased significantly. During the Lakers hot streak at the beginning of the year many analysts were picking Kobe for MVP, then they started losing games. For any analyst to vote Kobe as number 1 at this point in the season would have me questioning why they are NBA analyists. How could you put Kobe ahead of this years great performances from Dirk, Nash, Mcgrady, and Lebron? I don't think Kobe even wants to win it this year. What does MVP mean when you can't even compete to win a title. I believe he would rather have a lack luster year but win another ring just like Shaq did last year with Miami. In fact if Kobe could pull his team to fifty-five wins, average about 26 pts. and 7 assists per game then we would be placing the MVP crown upon his head without question.
they can't give it to kobe for what he has done in the most of the 2nd half of season til now...he hasn't been doing what a most valueable player should do - lead and win games for team...LAL has been going on a biggg slide after ASW and now just got flamedd by PHX in game two. his performance is subpar to be an MVP. the role of an MVP is to win games for the team and make others do their own thing at their best.. that's what make the player valuable. kobe has been trying so hard to get his team involved in other things so his team can win some games but it's just luck that kobe is missing. he is unlucky that he is surrounded with a group of talentless players who miss layups and open shots...he has done all he can do to get assists but players couldnt help him on their part....kobe deserves it, partly, but he ain't ever gonna win mvp until he has a better team..ever..
