<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>I mean when his contract is up obviously.</div> If a player's contract is up, then he is a free agent and isn't contractually obligated to show up. He can't be fined. C'mon, Bakes! We're playing at game speed up in here, bro! </div> No, i think this falls under the "Even though they beat us twice, we proved were the better team" category of logic.
Nevermind I'm done explaining myself. No wonder this place is so dead. You guys just love to flex your superior brain muscles every conceivable chance you get. Well bully for you guys, but I'm tired of it.
Don't get mad, Bakes. I was just messing with you. My post even had a smiley face in it and I usually don't like to use those.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry I'm just having a bad day.</div> Sorry to hear that. I guess I can wait until tomorrow to put your quote about superior brain muscle in my signature. Hope things turn around for you this evening.
Reggie Bush could sit out the entire year and not get fined a penny and live off all his endorsements for a year if he wanted to.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry I'm just having a bad day.</div> Sorry to hear that. I guess I can wait until tomorrow to put your quote about superior brain muscle in my signature. Hope things turn around for you this evening.</div> Yeah I figured you guys needed some new material
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>A good article on this... http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9572349/1</div> Hmmm, a good article by pete prisco? I am doubtful, but i will read it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>A good article on this... http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9572349/1</div> Hmmm, a good article by pete prisco? I am doubtful, but i will read it.</div> haha I thought the same thing. Anyways I read it and it is a pretty good article. No way Bush sits out the year. He's only trying to gain leverage.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>So, what is the penalty for teams who don't honor their side of a contract by cutting players who are still under contract?</div> They lose the rights to have that player on their team. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Why is it that football fans applaud when it's made more difficult for athletes to make money in the short time they have to play, but say nothing when owners screw them by dumping them the second their value drops? I'm not a fan of holdouts, but I understand why some players feel they need to make a stand while they have some leverage. I would just like to know why "football fans" bother to watch the game when you hate every dime that the players are making? How can the same people have a favorite football team? You do realize that the team and the owner make more money than any individual player does, right?</div> I am a fan of the "team". If the "team can enjoy more success by cutting the sorry rear ends of certain players (Dexter McCleon, you won't be missed) then I'm all for it. On a serious note. If I hired you to stitch Miami Dolphin logos onto jackets on an assembly line and you lost both arms and could not do the job any longer, I would have no choice but to replace you. I could try to find you a position in the company where you didn't need hands if I were compassionate, but the bottom line is that your assembly line days are over. When you make X million dollars a year because of previous accomplishments and suddenly your production lags and you are not worth the contract anymore it seems like any company would send you packing and replace you. I just don't see it as any different than our jobs. Perform, or be replaced. I do know that the players are the ones who draw the crowds on Sundays, but the owners are still the backing (money) behind it and absorb all the risk (monetarily). Why should they be held to a different standard that other business owners. Mostly, I am playing Devil's advocate here because I have heard this rant by Dolfandale since college, but also because he had to get serious in my thread where I was trying to make a funny. I do think these are valid points to consider though. I see your side here dolfan, I just wonder if you see the opposing view.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kcgsc)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>So, what is the penalty for teams who don't honor their side of a contract by cutting players who are still under contract?</div> They lose the rights to have that player on their team. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Why is it that football fans applaud when it's made more difficult for athletes to make money in the short time they have to play, but say nothing when owners screw them by dumping them the second their value drops? I'm not a fan of holdouts, but I understand why some players feel they need to make a stand while they have some leverage. I would just like to know why "football fans" bother to watch the game when you hate every dime that the players are making? How can the same people have a favorite football team? You do realize that the team and the owner make more money than any individual player does, right?</div> I am a fan of the "team". If the "team can enjoy more success by cutting the sorry rear ends of certain players (Dexter McCleon, you won't be missed) then I'm all for it. On a serious note. If I hired you to stitch Miami Dolphin logos onto jackets on an assembly line and you lost both arms and could not do the job any longer, I would have no choice but to replace you. I could try to find you a position in the company where you didn't need hands if I were compassionate, but the bottom line is that your assembly line days are over. When you make X million dollars a year because of previous accomplishments and suddenly your production lags and you are not worth the contract anymore it seems like any company would send you packing and replace you. I just don't see it as any different than our jobs. Perform, or be replaced. I do know that the players are the ones who draw the crowds on Sundays, but the owners are still the backing (money) behind it and absorb all the risk (monetarily). Why should they be held to a different standard that other business owners. Mostly, I am playing Devil's advocate here because I have heard this rant by Dolfandale since college, but also because he had to get serious in my thread where I was trying to make a funny. I do think these are valid points to consider though. I see your side here dolfan, I just wonder if you see the opposing view.</div> Actually, I do see that side. Really, I don't have that big of a problem with teams cutting players that aren't productive. I just think that if your going to cut players when the production goes down, then you have to be willing to renegotiate or, at least, quit complaining about players that hold out. You can't have it both ways. I really only bring up the cuts because football fans always make football players out to be greedy punks because they are trying to make money while the window of opportunity is open, but are too blind to see how quickly that money disappears as soon as that productivity slows down a bit. The bottom line is that if you ask a player to "honor" his contract and play for much less than his market value early in his career, but don't "honor" your side of a contract when his production starts to slip then you have to bring up the words like hypocrisy. If you want the ability to cut players when their production slips even though they have a contract, then you have to be able to accept renegotiations and possible holdouts as being part of the game. For the record, I really don't have a big problem with cutting players to make your team better. I'm just not going to demonize players for wanting their market value and taking a stand by holding out for it unless they just aren't using any common sense whatsoever.
It's just like if you're in a union at a normal job, you can't get fired/cut or forced to take a pay cut unless they go through the union first. This doesn't mean the union will fight for you everytime, but if they think you deserve your job they will use their leverage to try and force the company into keeping you. But if they think you have been slacking or not living up to your potential they will allow them to fire/cut or force you to take a pay cut.
