My random Game 3 thoughts

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  1. HiRez

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    -- Monta needs to stay aggressive for all 4 quarters. It's the same as most of the year, he'll go on a tear where he can't be stopped and then just completely disappear.

    -- JRich needs to find his shot, but if it's not there, he needs to recognize that and either take it to the hole or let the Warriors other scorers take over, not shoot them out of a game. Same with Harrington.

    -- Better ball movement, it hasn't been great in either game so far. Baron's rampage in game 1 masked this deficiency some, but he's not going to do that in every game.

    -- When the Mavs go big, get the ball to Andris and let him do some scoring. Damp and Diop are too slow for him, he ought to be able to score on them. And Dirk normally plays too far from the rim. And for Pete's sake, don't have him bringing the ball down the floor as he did in game 2 (he turned it over in that situation on Wednesday). He may have good hands, but having your center trying to take the ball coast to coast with 4 guards on the floor is just plain stupid.

    -- Barnes needs to be decisive when he gets into the paint. He often hesitates and gives the defense time to get set, which almost always results in some sort of turnover: block, travel, jump ball, out of control shot, charge, desperation pass, etc. When he takes it straight to the rack without trying to get fancy he does much better.

    -- If Terry, Howard, Dirk are nailing J's, there's not a whole lot you can do, but the Warriors need to do a much better job of boxing out on rebounds. Just way too many times we've seen a ball pop out right to a Warrior and somehow a Mav ends up with it. If you see one Mav surrounded by 3 or 4 Warriors, it's almost guaranteed that the one Mav will get the board, it's sad. In a way this is just one of the Warriors fundamental flaws so I don't know how much more they can do about it.

    -- Post up Baron on smaller guards, I don't recall seeing much of that in game 2.

    -- Keep going at guys who are getting in foul trouble. The Warriors can get some fouls on people but they're not good at exploiting that situation, going right at them and forcing them to foul again or to get them playing soft and tentatively for easy hoops. Conversely, the Warriors have this done to them all the time (especially Biedrins).

    -- When a Warrior drives inside, start cutting people to the hoop. Instead we tend to see the other 4 guys waiting on the perimeter for a pass and a 3-point shot. That's fine for one or two guys, but you need to give the driving player more options and make it harder for the defense to defend.
     
  2. Clif25

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    <div class="quote_poster">HiRez Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">-- Monta needs to stay aggressive for all 4 quarters. It's the same as most of the year, he'll go on a tear where he can't be stopped and then just completely disappear.

    -- JRich needs to find his shot, but if it's not there, he needs to recognize that and either take it to the hole or let the Warriors other scorers take over, not shoot them out of a game. Same with Harrington.

    -- Better ball movement, it hasn't been great in either game so far. Baron's rampage in game 1 masked this deficiency some, but he's not going to do that in every game.

    -- When the Mavs go big, get the ball to Andris and let him do some scoring. Damp and Diop are too slow for him, he ought to be able to score on them. And Dirk normally plays too far from the rim. And for Pete's sake, don't have him bringing the ball down the floor as he did in game 2 (he turned it over in that situation on Wednesday). He may have good hands, but having your center trying to take the ball coast to coast with 4 guards on the floor is just plain stupid.

    -- Barnes needs to be decisive when he gets into the paint. He often hesitates and gives the defense time to get set, which almost always results in some sort of turnover: block, travel, jump ball, out of control shot, charge, desperation pass, etc. When he takes it straight to the rack without trying to get fancy he does much better.

    -- If Terry, Howard, Dirk are nailing J's, there's not a whole lot you can do, but the Warriors need to do a much better job of boxing out on rebounds. Just way too many times we've seen a ball pop out right to a Warrior and somehow a Mav ends up with it. If you see one Mav surrounded by 3 or 4 Warriors, it's almost guaranteed that the one Mav will get the board, it's sad. In a way this is just one of the Warriors fundamental flaws so I don't know how much more they can do about it.

    -- Post up Baron on smaller guards, I don't recall seeing much of that in game 2.

    -- Keep going at guys who are getting in foul trouble. The Warriors can get some fouls on people but they're not good at exploiting that situation, going right at them and forcing them to foul again or to get them playing soft and tentatively for easy hoops. Conversely, the Warriors have this done to them all the time (especially Biedrins).

    -- When a Warrior drives inside, start cutting people to the hoop. Instead we tend to see the other 4 guys waiting on the perimeter for a pass and a 3-point shot. That's fine for one or two guys, but you need to give the driving player more options and make it harder for the defense to defend.</div>

    I agree here with these points.

    One counter-adjustment the Warriors need to make against the Mavs defensive adjustment concerns a few of these points. I saw the Mavericks start to play that rotating defense the Warriors play (especially from game one). Thus when someone on the Warriors is penetrating, there is another Maverick coming to disturb that penetration. So to counter this the Warriors will need to get better off-the-ball movement like you mentioned (players need to become targets when the ball handler gets stuck), locate players like Biedrins who is good at getting open for easy buckets like that when he's left open, ball handlers need to keep their head up and eyes open and active, and you just need to keep working the ball with strong good accurate passes around the court to find the open man if they are rotating like that. Otherwise if they are playing man-to-man then it may be somewhat fine to try going 1-on-1 if the advantage is there and there are no helpers around (but of course you always still need to get better court-awareness going than what the Warriors showed on Wednesday).

    I also agree with the comments about Monta and Jason Richardson. Al Harrington could use a good game back in the Bay as well. He gets a rush I think playing at home. We also need Pietrus to step it up at home as well. The Warriors will need more production from all of these players to counter what the Mavs may add from their bench.

    And of course rebounding is always important in basketball. And please, no more poor turnovers like last game.
     
  3. jason bourne

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    I'm leaving for the game now. Hope Nellie drank his scotch, patted his dog on the head, and came down from some high roof with the winning game plan in his head [​IMG].

    GO WARRIORS!!!
     
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    I think the most important thing is to go to the hole on offensive. No more settling for the outside J...

    In the first game especially the first half it seemed we took everything into the paint..... Baron set the tone by constantly driving

    I want to see that committment again tonight. ANd we all know to get a shooter off an easy lay up is usually the catalyst.... lets get al and j-rich some easy looks...or at least try to
     
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    Go Warriors! The Oracle will be as crazy as ever and the fans will definitley give the players some power. Plus, no Charles Farkely!

    Buck Farkely.
     
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    Warriors are still in good shape right now. Its essentially a best of 5 and the W's have homecourt advantage.
     
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    [Q

    -- When a Warrior drives inside, start cutting people to the hoop. Instead we tend to see the other 4 guys waiting on the perimeter for a pass and a 3-point shot. That's fine for one or two guys, but you need to give the driving player more options and make it harder for the defense to defend.[/QUOTE]


    That's a VERY good point. Once a team anticipates a pattern-like one guy on 3-4,they can bottle him up so a pass-out is high risk.
     
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    Damn, the crowd is going nuts! You can't even hear the commentators.
     
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    J freaking Rich!!!
     
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    Hirez, REREM, and boogs are right, the warriors have to play like a team and get all the players moving within the flow of each other. If a guy has a tendency to drive, the other four have to be in places where they can help out or relay a pass to an open player once receiving the pass. It's not about taking threes, but taking high % twos which I know almost all the Warriors can make. And, in the context of a zone defense, there are plenty of opportunities to use muscle, height, and quickness to advantage.

    Also, since the game is reliant upon quickness, they need to move better with the ball and better without the ball. Ballhandlers can't do anything if nobody is open.

    Then there's also defense. The Mavs also can't just get on the block with bigger size and force guys off the ball that way, especially if they're getting so deep on us they're just kicking out to guys who can nail the deep two whenever our double team arrives. Luckily, we've got many quick footed guys with long arms who can play the passing lanes preventing the kickout or closing off the relay passer forcing him to shoot. The warriors should know by now to make every shot uncomfortable for the Mavs or else they can't keep it close unless they score at a higher % with more shots on goal.

    Here is to hoping we keep our own turnovers low and get lots of steals for points off their turnovers.
     
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    oh my so far so good....and for once i can tolerate Walton announcing a game.... of course he is spewing nothing but warrior praise. Where is MP?
     
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    cus you better start saying how much we are gonna get blown out here.... down to nine.....arrgghh
     
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    Warriors up by 11, with the 1st half almost over. Damn, that would be so sweet if they upsetted the Mavs
     
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    I love the answer Baron gave Jim gray about the reason he is playing better after being thrown out in the last game. Baron said his grandma told him she would whoop him up if he got thrown out again.[​IMG]
     
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    Jason Richardson with the craziest shot I have seen.......since the second quarter when Baron Davis went around Dirk. Haha... the Warriors are just on fire right now.
     
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    This is great, I really hope the Warriors win this series. Would be really funny to see the Mavericks get knocked out first round.

    I reckon if you guys win this series, you might have what it takes to go all the way, to the finals at least. I think you could go toe to toe with Phoenix.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">NTC Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">This is great, I really hope the Warriors win this series. Would be really funny to see the Mavericks get knocked out first round.

    I reckon if you guys win this series, you might have what it takes to go all the way, to the finals at least. I think you could go toe to toe with Phoenix.</div>

    Have you seen the IGN 2K8 Playoff simulation? Warriors made it to the Finals but lose to Detroit in 5 [​IMG]
     
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    Today me and my friends all expected a Warrior victory, but not like this...

    I'am Devastated..[​IMG]
     
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    Wow, what a game!

    That was really exciting. Baron, Jason, everyone made some incredible shots. That Davis layup around Dirk...I'm not even sure how he got that in.

    Complete dominance by Golden State today, and the Mavs seem to be losing thier cool.

    I really like Barnes though, he's a great hustle guy. Kind of reminds me of 2007 version Dennis Rodman, although that might be due to his eccentric ways. Either way, fun player to watch and cheer for.

    What surprised me was the amount of blocks that GS had on the Mavs. There were NUMEROUS possesions where Dallas would get to the rim but someone would block the shot, leading to a leakout.
     

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