Am I the only one who feels the current system really needs to be changed? Here is what I would propose. Do anyway with separate MVP's for the playoffs and regular season, and just wait until the end of the playoffs to announce an MVP for the NBA. Right now, the votes have already been submitted and are simple being counted, meanwhile, one of the prime candidates Dirk, is shooting under 40% and struggling to get out of the first round. Giving the award out after the playoffs would allow writers to get a better gage as to who should be the award winner, and would also prevent the award from looking like a complete joke, like it may be this year, if Dirk wins and his team is not even in the playoffs for him to accept it.
Dirk should have never even been part of the MVP discussion in the first place. They've always handed out the MVP awards at the beginning of the second round..Meaning the MVP candidate should carry his team to the second round atleast on top of having a stellar regular season.
<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Boom Dizzle for MVP!!</div> I second that notion.
nash deserves mvp more than the last two (which i didnt agree with), although he does have two all stars on his team, im pretty sure if lakers do well next season kobe will get mvp because it obviously only about how many wins your team gets, not how good you are.
I agree, the MVP criteria right now is a bloody joke. All you have to do is play well on the best team, and you're pretty much garunteed the award. If not, at least change the name from MVP to "Best Overall Player" or somthing.
<div class="quote_poster">dallasdude Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Dirk should have never even been part of the MVP discussion in the first place. They've always handed out the MVP awards at the beginning of the second round..Meaning the MVP candidate should carry his team to the second round atleast on top of having a stellar regular season.</div> Well the Regular Season Dirk isn't the one we're seeing now so he did belong in the discussion before.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree, the MVP criteria right now is a bloody joke. All you have to do is play well on the best team, and you're pretty much garunteed the award. If not, at least change the name from MVP to "Best Overall Player" or somthing.</div> I suggested in another thread that the NBA could add a MOP award for the Most Outstanding Player. In that case, clearly the best stastically with best game performances or what have you can win that award. In this case/season Kobe Bryant would be the MOP no doubt. The MVP would still be a tough decision like it will always be, as it is for just about every sport. But it could possibly reward more players for such awesome seasons like Kobe and Dirk and Nash and others are having this season. It actually may be kind of interesting comparing MVPs in different sports. In baseball for example, there are so many players on a team, so more than likely it will just go to the best player in the season, which may have some favorism toward winning teams but maybe not all the time necessarly. In basketball each team has 5 starters and it can be difficult to make exact measurments of how "valuable" one player is to that team; because in fact of how small basketball rosters are, each player is important. So unlike in baseball (well for the most part) nobody really has to make arguments, well if this player was on this team then...this or that. But in basketball, maybe this is a more important factor. But, in brief, if the league wants to honor players with individual awards like this, then I would suggest adding a MOP award with the MVP award for each season. Or maybe just have the MOP award be for the regular season and have the MVP be for the playoffs/finals only.
<div class="quote_poster">Blur Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Giving the award out after the playoffs would allow writers to get a better gage as to who should be the award winner, and would also prevent the award from looking like a complete joke, like it may be this year, if Dirk wins and his team is not even in the playoffs for him to accept it.</div> While I agree that the playoffs should be looked at also, I think that letting the voters vote after the playoffs is over will turn the whole thing to a playoffs MVP or even just a finals MVP, with the trophy always going to the best guy on the team that wins it all. The regular season achievements would be totally forgotten.
<div class="quote_poster">NTC Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree, the MVP criteria right now is a bloody joke. All you have to do is play well on the best team, and you're pretty much garunteed the award. If not, at least change the name from MVP to "Best Overall Player" or somthing.</div> Dude, you're generalizing so much. Of course the player's team needs to be successful. But, that player has to standout regardless. Why do you think no one on the Pistons has yet to be seriously considered? If it awarded the best overall player we'd be looking at the game more like a fantasy sport. Besides, how significant is the award when Kevin Garnett's grabs it while on a lottery team or Kobe grabs it after sputtering into the playoffs, while all the other top players are going deep for a championship?
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Dude, you're generalizing so much. Of course the player's team needs to be successful. But, that player has to standout regardless. Why do you think no one on the Pistons has yet to be seriously considered? If it awarded the best overall player we'd be looking at the game more like a fantasy sport. Besides, how significant is the award when Kevin Garnett's grabs it while on a lottery team or Kobe grabs it after sputtering into the playoffs, while all the other top players are going deep for a championship?</div> Exactly. Why are all these cases for Kobe being MVP of the *LEAGUE* being made when his team is barely sputtering into the playoffs? Domique Wilkins had seasons where he averaged over 30 a game and led his team to 50 win records yet he never won an MVP award. Iverson has put up great stats all throughout his career, is it a coincedence that he didn't win it until his team stormed to a 56-26 record? Until Kobe leads his team to AT LEAST 50 wins, I don't see him being the MVP.
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly. Why are all these cases for Kobe being MVP of the *LEAGUE* being made when his team is barely sputtering into the playoffs? Domique Wilkins had seasons where he averaged over 30 a game and led his team to 50 win records yet he never won an MVP award. Iverson has put up great stats all throughout his career, is it a coincedence that he didn't win it until his team stormed to a 56-26 record? Until Kobe leads his team to AT LEAST 50 wins, I don't see him being the MVP.</div> LeBron led his team to 50 wins last year. Duncan is a constant winner as well.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">LeBron led his team to 50 wins last year. Duncan is a constant winner as well.</div> Exactly my point. If Lebron led his team to 50 wins a year ago and couldn't win it, what makes Kobe so special that he deserves to win it for winning 42 games and barely scraping into the playoffs? Granted, it's not his fault, but the reasoning behind people believing he's the MVP is flawed. I want Kobe to win the MVP but it's ridiculous when people make exceptions for him just because he's scoring at high amounts.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">LeBron led his team to 50 wins last year. Duncan is a constant winner as well.</div> And they were both legit candidates for the award. If Kobe could lead his team to a similar season and show signs of contending, I think he'd be a lock for the MVP.
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly my point. If Lebron led his team to 50 wins a year ago and couldn't win it, what makes Kobe so special that he deserves to win it for winning 42 games and barely scraping into the playoffs? Granted, it's not his fault, but the reasoning behind people believing he's the MVP is flawed. I want Kobe to win the MVP but it's ridiculous when people make exceptions for him just because he's scoring at high amounts.</div> Who says I think Kobe was the most qualified to win the award this year? <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">And they were both legit candidates for the award. If Kobe could lead his team to a similar season and show signs of contending, I think he'd be a lock for the MVP.</div> Good for you Kobe (if he won it one year), but I don't care either way to be honest.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Who says I think Kobe was the most qualified to win the award this year? </div> Well, my original post was basically a rant about the lack of reasoning behind fans thinking Kobe should get the MVP, to which you responded by saying Lebron got 50 wins and didn't win the award. Since you cared to defend against my statements by bringing up Lebron's wins, I had to assume that you were siding with Kobe.
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, my original post was basically a rant about the lack of reasoning behind fans thinking Kobe should get the MVP, to which you responded by saying Lebron got 50 wins and didn't win the award. Since you cared to defend against my statements by bringing up Lebron's wins, I had to assume that you were siding with Kobe.</div> You assumed wrong. I am more impartial than you think.
I will say this: Dirk's clutch numbers are among the tops in the league. He looks for his shot in the fourth quarter and demands the ball and is not shy to shoot it or drive to the hole. HOWEVER, I have noticed that the KEY baskets he seems to miss a lot of times. I honestly believe that if Dirk was not on the Mavs, and they had, let's say, Tim Thomas, they would be an 8-seed at best. 45 wins. OR 22 less than what they won. So yeah, that is an MVP candidate I would say.
^ Dirk to tim thomas.. thats a pretty big drop off...but i can also say that if mavs had a good PF to fill dirks spot they can easily win 50-60games .. so i can use that to defend Dirk not deserving MVP
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Dude, you're generalizing so much. Of course the player's team needs to be successful. But, that player has to standout regardless. Why do you think no one on the Pistons has yet to be seriously considered? If it awarded the best overall player we'd be looking at the game more like a fantasy sport. Besides, how significant is the award when Kevin Garnett's grabs it while on a lottery team or Kobe grabs it after sputtering into the playoffs, while all the other top players are going deep for a championship?</div> Because those players are on GOOD teams. Team effort elevates those teams to the upper echelons, not one player playing extremely well. The MVP award to me loses credibility more so going to Dirk Nowitzki this season, than it would say Kobe Bryant or LeBron James for example. The problem is, we arent truely rewarding the real Most Valuable Players, more so "lets see who is playing the best on the team with the best record, and recognize them as the most important player in the league". It's a farce, simply put, Dirk Nowitzki is not this leagues most valuable player, Steve Nash or Kobe Bryant are (this season).
