I've been saying it for a couple of years now and there have been some people on here that didn't believe it....well if you don't know now you know.....if Dirk gets the MVP it will be a disgrace to mention him in the same breath as past MVPs Hakeem,Jordan,Malone (Moses and Karl),Nash,Duncan,Shaq,Bird,Magic,Wilt,Kareem, Iverson,Barkley,Robinson,Russell,etc. and a disgrace to those who have yet to win one Kobe,Wade,Bron,etc and the players who never won one Drexler,Zeke,Stockton,Kidd,Ewing,Wilkins,etc......he just doesn't impact a game enough to be a MVP, and I said this even before this series....is he efficient???...yes....does he elevate players around him???....hell no...is he a leader???.....hell no......he is a really good player on a really good team...that's all.....I wouldn't even call him one of the 10 best players in the league....and I'm serious.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I've been saying it for a couple of years now and there have been some people on here that didn't believe it....well if you don't know now you know.....if Dirk gets the MVP it will be a disgrace to mention him in the same breath as past MVPs Hakeem,Jordan,Malone,Nash,Duncan,Shaq,Bird,Magic,Wilt,Kareem,Iverson,etc. and a disgrace to those who have yet to win one Kobe,Wade,Bron,etc.....he just doesn't impact a game enough to be a MVP, and I said this even before this series....is he efficient???...yes....does he elevate players around him???....hell no...is he a leader???.....hell no......he is a really good player on a really good team...that's all.....I wouldn't even call him one of the 10 best players in the league....and I'm serious.</div> It's a bad matchup for the Mavericks. They have good team defense but can't contain the ball one on one and the Warriors can drive at will. Further, the Mavs do have two games in Dallas left, I'm not saying they'll win the series but I would wait for the Mavs to officially lose before getting too cocky.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Dirk is not soft, banging inside is not his playing style. </div> a guy who is 7 feet and can't score in the post = soft imo....but the main reason why he's soft is because he shys away under pressure....Wade called him out on it a couple months back, and right now he's looking like a smart man... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Further, the Mavs do have two games in Dallas left, I'm not saying they'll win the series but I would wait for the Mavs to officially lose before getting too cocky</div> the only way the mavs win this series is if Dirk steps up....and that won't happen....if Tmac doesn't step up tonight he might get a thread tomorrow, lol (go rockets!!!)
How many games has Yao missed in the past 2 seasons? T-Mac? I'm not hating on those two but maybe you should be careful about dissing other players about being soft. Dirk is not a post scorer its not his game how does that make him soft? But I agree with everything else you mentioned.
him dissapearing under pressure is the biggest reason why the guy is soft as wet toilet paper (talking about Nowimpski)
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">him dissapearing under pressure is the biggest reason why the guy is soft as wet toilet paper (talking about Nowimpski)</div> I thought he hit a pretty big 3-pointer last night.
Although it is the playoffs, the first round has pretty much justified to me why Nash is yet again the MVP. Kobe can have 31 and 9, but the Lakers as a team suck (horrible teammates) and lose, so he can't win games to the point that he can take his team to an elite level. Dirk can win games, but he doesn't step up like a leader is supposed to and often gets critisized for not leaving an impact on the game. If you've watched the Golden State series, this point has pretty much been hammered. He's getting 20 and 12, but not once have I noticed Nowitzki leave an impact on the game the way players like Nash or Kobe do. Nash not only steps up and leads his team when it matters, but is also winning in the process. The case can be made for Duncan as well, and I wouldn't mind if the award went either way. Nash and Duncan are both great candidates and unless Dirk steps up for his team, leads them to a defeat of the Warriors and pushes them further, I'll forever disagree with the fact that he won the 2007 MVP award, which seems to be the likely situation.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I thought he hit a pretty big 3-pointer last night. </div> yeah after he missed his first 50, lol....he threw those shots up, there was no pressure..dirk needs his tampax and monistat 7......... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> He's getting 20 and 12, but not once have I noticed Nowitzki leave an impact on the game the way players like Nash or Kobe do. </div> to be honest even when the mavs win (see game 2) Dirk doesn't have enough of a impact to be a MVP....I thought the same thing when they went up 2-0 against Miami last year.
Yao has been getting tougher as he has been bulking up through the years. Also Yao choosing to shoot low post jumpers (which he often hits) is sometimes seen as soft, but is also a tool of versatility for the big man. He was hitting them over Shaq during the game I saw.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">him dissapearing under pressure is the biggest reason why the guy is soft as wet toilet paper (talking about Nowimpski)</div> He hit two three pointers down the stretch, he wanted the ball and he made those 3's to keep the Mavs in striking distance.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He hit two three pointers down the stretch, he wanted the ball and he made those 3's to keep the Mavs in striking distance. </div> so going on those 2 3s that he just threw up at the end you think that he played clutch last night???....I'd rather have about 20 players (and possibly more, Stackhouse is included in this list) down the stretch to make big plays over Dirk...the guy is a softee
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Although it is the playoffs, the first round has pretty much justified to me why Nash is yet again the MVP. Kobe can have 31 and 9, but the Lakers as a team suck (horrible teammates) and lose, so he can't win games to the point that he can take his team to an elite level. Dirk can win games, but he doesn't step up like a leader is supposed to and often gets critisized for not leaving an impact on the game. If you've watched the Golden State series, this point has pretty much been hammered. He's getting 20 and 12, but not once have I noticed Nowitzki leave an impact on the game the way players like Nash or Kobe do. Nash not only steps up and leads his team when it matters, but is also winning in the process.</div> He's winning? It's not just him that's winning. The First Round isn't over yet. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The case can be made for Duncan as well, and I wouldn't mind if the award went either way. Nash and Duncan are both great candidates and unless Dirk steps up for his team, leads them to a defeat of the Warriors and pushes them further, I'll forever disagree with the fact that he won the 2007 MVP award, which seems to be the likely situation.</div> Offensively Tim produces weak MVP numbers (same as Nash) but is probably the best interior defender in the league and has less talent around him than Nash but still got about the same number of wins. Of course Tim is a better MVP candidate.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">so going on those 2 3s that he just threw up at the end you think that he played clutch last night???....I'd rather have about 20 players (and possibly more, Stackhouse is included in this list) down the stretch to make big plays over Dirk...the guy is a softee</div> Stats don't support your argument. <u>The NBA's best clutch scorers</u> Source: 82Games.com
lol, I could care less about stats....I'll take Kobe,Wade,Billups,Gordon,Tmac (although he's been pussin it up as of late),Nash,Barbosa,Bron,Sheed,Amare,Bibby,Arenas,Redd,Duncan,KG,Melo,A.I.,Deng,M anu,B. Davis, etc. all over Dirk in a heart beat to win me a big game down the stretch and hit big shots "in the playoffs"...this guy is soft, and he'll stink it up again on Tuesday to solidify this thread.....
Stats don't show everything. Last night's game proves Dirk's soft. Before those two three pointers he hit at the end he as shooting airballs and bricks. He was the reason they were in that hole to begin with.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lol, I could care less about stats....I'll take Kobe,Wade,Billups,Gordon,Tmac (although he's been pussin it up as of late),Nash,Barbosa,Bron,Sheed,Amare,Bibby,Arenas,Duncan,KG,Melo,A.I.,Deng,Manu,B . Davis, etc. all over Dirk in a heart beat to win me a big game down the stretch and hit big shots "in the playoffs"...this guy is soft, and he'll stink it up again on Tuesday to solidify this thread.....</div> Well Dirk is indeed soft right now but you've got a weak argument for earlier on in the season.
pffft....reg. season is for chumps (like Dirk), show me what you're made of come late april, may, and june
Dirk is pretty weak with his fade away jumpers. He's shot an incredible percentage during the regular season though. But just watching Dirk this series against the Warriors, I see Dirk as being weak with his fade away jumpers and not being able to take it to the rim enough or make any strong moves in the post. Second I just don't see Dirk as being a very smart player. One time I saw Diop near the basket being guarded by Jason Richardson and Dirk decided to put up a weak fade away jumper with hands in his face instead which missed horribly. Later that game he elected to pass the ball when the shot clock was going to expire. I see Dirk as a very good shooter and very efficient scorer. But as far as creating his own shot and being a leader he seems to come up short, which is not a horrible thing, since he is a great basketball player. Not all great players are able to be leaders as well. Also it could be taken into consideration that the Warriors have just had the Mavericks' number for a while now (and hopefully as a Warriors fan they can pull off one more victory). Don Nelson has this ability to haunt his old team. The Mavericks used to bash on the Warriors before last season. This season Nelson has been able to reverse it and help the Warriors beat his old team the Mavs. You know, maybe there is just one team or matchup in which any and every player struggles against (for the Warriors case this team would be the Los Angeles Lakers, at least for this season). Maybe the Warriors is that team for Dirk. But nonetheless he has yet to really adapt or do other things to help out offensively. He's been getting more rebounds lately, but he hasn't gotten anybody else on his team to perform better yet, in my opinion.
