<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What do you expect Dirk to do when the defense is geared to stop him and deny him the ball? You want Dirk to still shoot when he has 2 or 3 defenders sandwiching him?</div> Exactly. Dirk is a thinking man's player. Most of his game this series has been passing and rebounding. He's not passing cause he's scared to shoot. He's passing cause he believes that is the best strategy to beat this particular team. Even Stackhouse said don't put it on Dirk, that other guys have to step it up.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What do you expect Dirk to do when the defense is geared to stop him and deny him the ball? You want Dirk to still shoot when he has 2 or 3 defenders sandwiching him?</div> I expect him to take it up a notch and play on another level....that's what "any" true MVP would do....Hakeem,Jordan, etc. ALWAYS had defenses (much better than G. States also) geared to stop them, but they raised their level of play....and a lot of times Dirk isn't being sandwiched by 2 or 3 defenders, a lot of it is his inability to score on "1" defender. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Even Stackhouse said don't put it on Dirk, that other guys have to step it up. </div> LOL, yes of course he'll say that, do you expect a temmate to come out and say "Dirk needs to bring it, because he's playing like a little biotch right now"???
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I use these examples, because whenever a team is aggressive with Dirk and they really bring the pressure he always seems to wilt away......I don't get how anyone could trust this guy in a REALLY big game in the post season.......Dirk = soft.</div> How about what he did last year in Game 7 in San Antonio against the Spurs? Not to mention he is currently 4-0 in Game 7's. Doesn't seem that bad to me.
He's being collapsed on every time he's about to put the ball on the floor. The Warriors have tweaked their defense to prevent him from taking his defender off the dribble, which is crucial to his offensive game. Honestly, this criticism reminds me of last year's playoffs when everyone got on Kobe for being too passive in Game 7. But the reality was that he realized the Lakers couldn't beat the Suns if he just hogged the ball and put up 50-60 points. He needed the rest of his teammates to be productive and he decided to try and get them in the game early. Dirk's in the same situation. Sure he could put up a shot on every possession, rack up 30 points, and seemingly answer the criticism about his game. But it wouldn't be nearly as efficient and would play right into the Warrior's gameplan.
<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Not to mention he is currently 4-0 in Game 7's. </div>End of argument. He's no more a choker than anyone else....How can you be 4-0 in game 7's as the primary option on your team and be a CHOKER? It's basically impossible
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">you guys keep denying this mans softness....I'm sure it will be on display tonight....yet again....</div> And you keep denying the stats and legit claims that goes in Dirk's favor. Clear your mind with your hatred for Dirk for one second and look at everything good and bad, not just the bad, then make an unbiased opinion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting THE DREAM:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe isn't soft, and kobe wouldn't let anyone shake his confidence.....unlike Dirk</div> If that's you're best argument, then there's no point in even responding anymore. You're using terrible logic. Out of the two Dirk-bashers in this thread, one's a fan of a rival team and one has an unexplainable hate for his team's best player. Neither has come up with a well-written argument to dispute the facts and statistics.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And you keep denying the stats and legit claims that goes in Dirk's favor. Clear your mind with your hatred for Dirk for one second and look at everything good and bad, not just the bad, then make your opinion. </div> I don't hate the guy....there's nothing really to hate about him.....he's not a jerk on or off the court, he's just "soft"..it's been talked about on every radio show across America, so please don't make it out like I'm the only one saying this. Let me just ask you guys this....if you had to choose from 5 players to lead your team to victory and win "1" BIG game for you, would Dirk make your list???....any MVP should make that list....
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">you guys keep denying this mans softness....I'm sure it will be on display tonight....yet again....</div> I don't think it will. how about a $20 bet - I reckon Dallas wins and Dirk scores 20 or more points, including 8 in the fourth quarter. any less and i'll send you a money order for $20.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If that's you're best argument, then there's no point in even responding anymore. You're using Rock4life-type logic.</div> the reason dallas is losing is because Dirk isn't performing top notch, if you seriously think him scoring 17 points a night and passing the ball "to get his teammates involved" is going to help dallas win then I don't know what to say...Dirk needs to look to be more aggresive by A. playing down low B. looking for his shot more C. stop falling away from guys who are a foot shorter than you.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't hate the guy....there's nothing really to hate about him.....he's not a jerk on or off the court, he's just "soft"..it's been talked about on every radio show across America, so please don't make it out like I'm the only one saying this. Let me just ask you guys this....if you had to choose from 5 players to lead your team to victory and win "1" BIG game for you, would Dirk make your list???....any MVP should make that list....</div> Dirk would make my list. Anyone 4-0 in Game 7's would make my list. If I needed a clutch shot in no particular order, this would be my 5.... Chauncey Billups Dwayne Wade Robert Horry Kobe Bryant Dirk Nowitzki If I needed someone to take over a big game, I would have in no particular order... Steve Nash Dirk Nowitzki Paul Pierce Dwayne Wade Tim Duncan
<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Dirk would make my list. Anyone 4-0 in Game 7's would make my list. If I needed a clutch shot in no particular order, this would be my 5.... Chauncey Billups Dwayne Wade Robert Horry Kobe Bryant Dirk Nowitzki If I needed someone to take over a big game, I would have in no particular order... Steve Nash Dirk Nowitzki Paul Pierce Dwayne Wade Tim Duncan</div> I agree with that list.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">the reason dallas is losing is because Dirk isn't performing top notch, if you seriously think him scoring 17 points a night and passing the ball "to get his teammates involved" is going to help dallas win then I don't know what to say...Dirk needs to look to be more aggresive by A. playing down low B. looking for his shot more C. stop falling away from guys who are a foot shorter than you.</div> A. Why should he be doing something that's not a part of his game? He would only be inefficient and most likely less effective. The Mavericks are built in a way so that he can play to his strengths. B. He can get a shot any time he wants, but that doesn't necessarily mean its a good one. Dirk's game is built on efficiency and the Mavericks can't afford for him to shooting when he has 2-3 guys on him. Should Kobe have been looking for his own shot in that Game 7 last year? Of course not. C. You've mentioned that a lot, but how many times has it happened?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> don't think it will. how about a $20 bet - I reckon Dallas wins and Dirk scores 20 or more points, including 8 in the fourth quarter. any less and i'll send you a money order for $20.</div> I'll do a sig bet, because I just got done paying my tuition........if Dirk scores 27 or more points, 8 in the fourth quarter, and attacks the basket tonight, and Dallas wins I'll display a sig of "Dirk is my MVP and I love him" and if he pusses out (doesn't matter if they win or lose) you display a "I love Dirk and David" sig with a pic of both "men"
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Steve Nash Dirk Nowitzki Paul Pierce Dwayne Wade Tim Duncan</div> Dirk over Kobe????...Paul Pierce over Kobe????.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Dirk over Kobe????...Paul Pierce over Kobe????.</div> To me, Kobe doesn't trust his teammates to get them involved and a lot of times, his teammates are just standing around down the stretch not really expecting to get the ball. Kobe would definitely be my #1 on taking the GW shot, because he's just so clutch but I would personally rather have Pierce or Dirk who will continue to keep their teammates involved while still taking over during big games. A GW pass is just as good as a GW shot, IMO. (please don't turn this into a Kobe war)
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'll do a sig bet, because I just got done paying my tuition........if Dirk scores 27 or more points, 8 in the fourth quarter, and attacks the basket tonight, and Dallas wins I'll display a sig of "Dirk is my MVP and I love him" and if he pusses out you display a "I love Dirk and David" sig with a pic of both "men"</div> let's say 24 points or more, 8 in the fourth, Dallas wins, and it doesn't matter how he gets em: attacking the basket is one thing, but if JT does that, and hits an open Dirk for a 3, that is Dirk's game you can't hate him for that. you can't quantify "pussing out" ...and i'll rock the Dave and Dirk sig.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Dirk would make my list. Anyone 4-0 in Game 7's would make my list. </div> okay I know of 2 game 7's....I don't think basing someones "clutchness" based on their game 7 records is accurate...in game 7 of the first round series against Houston Dirk wasn't particulary dominate (the same can be said for the entire series), Dallas won because of their mismatches in the backcourt....Stackhouse,Terry,Howard,and Daniels killed us in that series and in that game 7.
