<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">yeah but what did you think of his game thus far at that point...meaning did you thinking he was kind of stinking up the joint???</div> He didn't take enough shots for him to start stinking up the joint. He needed to hog the Ball or get to the Line were his 90% FT touch can put the game away (which did put the game away).
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Also bringing up last years Finals is really a terrible argument. </div> why???...to me coming up big in the finals tells me a lot more about your fortitude than coming up big in the reg. season (not nearly as much pressure)......the playoffs are where true stars are made
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He didn't take enough shots for him to start stinking up the joint. He needed to hog the Ball or get to the Line were his 90% FT touch can put the game away (which did put the game away). </div> okay since you won't answer the question...do you think he was playing "bad" or "good" up to that point???
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting THE DREAM:</div><div class="quote_post">why???...to me coming up big in the finals tells me a lot more about your fortitude than coming up big in the reg. season (not nearly as much pressure)......the playoffs are where true stars are made</div> ...or manufactured (DWade). If you're talking about the playoffs, then consider all of his performances. Not 3 series' out of like 10.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">okay since you won't answer the question...do you think he was playing "bad" or "good" up to that point???</div> He was playing alright (had a solid rebounding game); so what? He exploded. <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">...or manufactured (DWade). If you're talking about the playoffs, then consider all of his performances. Not 3 series' out of like 10.</div> Yep.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">why???...to me coming up big in the finals tells me a lot more about your fortitude than coming up big in the reg. season (not nearly as much pressure)......the playoffs are where true stars are made</div> I'll just make a joking remark and say, he didn't get a chance to be big in the Finals. Wade was hogging up all the time at the free throw line. Just one question Dream, since you want to be stubborn. Do you feel the same about Larry Bird? Do you often knock on him?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He was playing alright (had a solid rebounding game); so what? </div> lol, okay...the point being your MVP shouldn't be playing alright in an elimination game until the last 3 minutes.....MVPs don't do that....they never have.... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">...or manufactured (DWade). </div> lol, I won't even get into this...Dirk ain't holding Wades jock strap either....
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lol, okay...the point being your MVP shouldn't be playing alright in an elimination game until the last 3 minutes.....MVPs don't do that....they never have.... </div> Even when Dirk has an "alright" game he produces. Look at the overall game, he was more than MVP worthy. Stackhouse and friends needed to look for him more. And pray the Mavs don't win the series cause that would just be unfair for you.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Just one question Dream, since you want to be stubborn. Do you feel the same about Larry Bird? Do you often knock on him? </div> Larry = a basketball god....Bird had 10 times the balls dirk does, was a better defender, passer, etc....and although he was a fantastic shooter he could also post you up and score down low....never compare those 2, because Bird deficates on him in every way possible.
Dream, Dirk's numbers for this "Terrible" 1st round series include 41% FG shooting, 11.5 rebounds per game, 4.8 of which are offensive boards per game, 1.8 blocks per game, 2.5 steals per game, 2.1 turnovers, 20 ppg.... That's less turnovers and better shooting than your boy D-Wade in his "sweep" by the Bulls, a team that matched up well with the Heat, kind of like how GS matches up well with Dallas....but D-Wade is allowed to have a bad series, I guess.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lol, okay...the point being your MVP shouldn't be playing alright in an elimination game until the last 3 minutes.....MVPs don't do that....they never have....</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">In the 1988-89 NBA season, (Magic) Johnson was again outstanding, his 22.5 points, 6.4 rebounds and 12.8 assists per game earning him his second MVP award. The Lakers reached the 1989 NBA Finals, but when Johnson went down with a hamstring injury, they were no match for the "Bad Boy" Pistons who swept them 4-0, giving the 42-year-old Lakers Abdul-Jabbar a rather sobering farewell in his final games. A similar fate awaited Johnson in the following 1989-90 NBA season, when he won his third MVP award with a strong regular season with averages of 22.3 points, 6.6 rebounds and 11.5 assists, but his Lakers bowed out in the second playoff round to the Phoenix Suns. In the 1990-91 NBA season, Johnson had another strong season, and the Lakers reached the 1991 NBA Finals against the Chicago Bulls. In this matchup, Johnson was pitted against superstar shooting guard Michael "Air" Jordan, multiple scoring champion and back-to-back winner of the NBA Slam Dunk Contest. However, the series failed to live up to its hype, as Bulls defensive stalwart Scottie Pippen defended well against Johnson and Finals MVP Jordan powered his team to a 4-1 win.</div> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Johnson...t_.281988-91.29
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Dream, Dirk's numbers for this "Terrible" 1st round series include 41% FG shooting, 11.5 rebounds per game, 4.8 of which are offensive boards per game, 1.8 blocks per game, 2.5 steals per game, 2.1 turnovers, 20 ppg.... That's less turnovers and better shooting than your boy D-Wade in his "sweep" by the Bulls, a team that matched up well with the Heat, kind of like how GS matches up well with Dallas....but D-Wade is allowed to have a bad series, I guess.</div> D. Wade is also playing with one damn shoulder, lol...and 41% for a 7 footer, and some "puss" play throughout the series (besides tonights 3 minute miracle) isn't anything to be braggin about...especially for an "MVP".
<div class="quote_poster">The One & Only Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Johnson...t_.281988-91.29</div> Wow so much for your theory Le Dream.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">In the 1988-89 NBA season, (Magic) Johnson was again outstanding, his 22.5 points, 6.4 rebounds and 12.8 assists per game earning him his second MVP award. The Lakers reached the 1989 NBA Finals, but when Johnson went down with a hamstring injury, they were no match for the "Bad Boy" Pistons who swept them 4-0, giving the 42-year-old Lakers Abdul-Jabbar a rather sobering farewell in his final games. A similar fate awaited Johnson in the following 1989-90 NBA season, when he won his third MVP award with a strong regular season with averages of 22.3 points, 6.6 rebounds and 11.5 assists, but his Lakers bowed out in the second playoff round to the Phoenix Suns. In the 1990-91 NBA season, Johnson had another strong season, and the Lakers reached the 1991 NBA Finals against the Chicago Bulls. In this matchup, Johnson was pitted against superstar shooting guard Michael "Air" Jordan, multiple scoring champion and back-to-back winner of the NBA Slam Dunk Contest. However, the series failed to live up to its hype, as Bulls defensive stalwart Scottie Pippen defended well against Johnson and Finals MVP Jordan powered his team to a 4-1 win.</div> and this proves????, lol....please don't tell me you're comparing Dirk with Magic...okay so he gets injured in one series, and in another he's past his prime and key teammates are also injured???...Dirk is in his prime, has a great healthy supporting cast and is on the brink of elimination against a 8th seeded team.
Here's a good quote from Bill Simmons recent article (although he goes on to bash Nowitzki later on): <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Has Nowitzki been that bad in the first four games against Golden State? Actually, yeah. You can't kill him for struggling in a playoff series because, admittedly, it happens to the best from time to time. For instance, the Basketball Jesus stunk out the joint against the '85 Lakers and '88 Pistons. MJ submitted a stinkbomb against the '95 Magic. Magic choked in three different losses to the '84 Celtics. Bring up an NBA legend and I could point you to a crummy playoff performance within three seconds.</div> Even the best have faltered during the playoffs at some point in their career. But the reason we still consider them great is because we evaluate them over their entire career. No one points to Magic's crappy playoffs as evidence that he's soft and unclutch. There's so much evidence (in both the regular season and playoffs) to suggest otherwise. I don't see why Nowitzki deserves it though.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">and this proves????, lol....please don't tell me you're comparing Dirk with Magic...</div> Wow are you serious? You just said what an MVP does and does not do and you were proven wrong. Dirk being clutch in the last 3:40 doesn't count? What are you saying? Just wait until the Mavs lose to start talking smack.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Even the best have faltered during the playoffs at some point in their career. But the reason we still consider them great is because we evaluate them over their entire career. No one points to Magic's crappy playoffs as evidence that he's soft and unclutch. There's so much evidence (in both the regular season and playoffs) to suggest otherwise. I don't see why Nowitzki deserves it though.</div> that's because Magic has 5 rings, and made big plays to get those rings....Dirk is ringless.....bad comparison...no....really bad comparison..... Yes you are allowed to have bad games everynow and then, but Dirk is starting to make a habit out of it....
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">and this proves????, lol....please don't tell me you're comparing Dirk with Magic...</div> Read it. MVP doesn't = God. This, funnily enough, was very easy to find. Chutney even provided a pretty awesome article which points out what I'm getting across. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting THE DREAM:</div><div class="quote_post"> that's because Magic has 5 rings, and made big plays to get those rings....Dirk is ringless.....bad comparison...no....really bad comparison...</div> Who said Dirk's career is over after this series?
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">D. Wade is also playing with one damn shoulder, lol...and 41% for a 7 footer, and some "puss" play throughout the series (besides tonights 3 minute miracle) isn't anything to be braggin about...especially for an "MVP".</div> Okay, how many games do you honestly think Dallas would have won this year if they had just an average player at the 4? I think they would have been struggling to even make the playoffs. Do you have any conception of the luxury of having a 7-foot 3-point shooter like Dirk and what that ALLOWS other players such as Josh Howard and Devin Harris to do? I reckon they would have won about 45 games or so and been an 8-seed at best. Look at their team - they don't have a good point guard/floor general like a Chris Paul, they don't have a low-post scorer, an intimidator in the paint, they dont' have a 2-guard that is unstoppable (Kobe/Redd/VC). They have Dirk - the MVP - and the dude in your sig.....
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">that's because Magic has 5 rings, and made big plays to get those rings....Dirk is ringless.....bad comparison...no....really bad comparison...</div> You've made bad comparisons and unfounded statements in this thread... MVPs do falter.
