Regardless if he retires or quits, WHO SHOULD REPLACE JVG?

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  1. Skiptomylue11

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    I think Adleman's Sacramento wasn't a notably good defensive team, although its offense was beautiful. (obviously the players had a key part in that as well, all of them were good passers)
     
  2. The Dream

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    adelman has had success everywhere he's been....
     
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    Well I just heard on the radio that he denies the reports and has not made up his mind yet.
     
  4. The Dream

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    ^^^heard the same...either way he's gone...............
     
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    University of Arizona's Josh Pastner is from H-Town and the Wildcats just hired Kevin O'Neill so could he be looking for a new place to coach? Then why not in his hometown!

    Ha- but seriously... I think Adelman would be a great fit. Like someone else said, he works well with big man and could probably utilize Yao better than JVG did. This being said, I don't think the blame can all fall on JVG. I don't think it is necessary to get rid of JVG but if so, get Adelman.
     
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    I'm glad so many seem to be in favor of Adelman. IMO, with Adelman bringing that high post passing offense to H-town, Yao would win numerous MVP awards and suddenly become one of the all-time greats.

    That offense fits his skill set to key. I'm betting he averages 28-32 points 10-11 rebounds and 5-6 assists in that offense.

    Not only does it utilizes his mid range shooting skills, but it allows him to get easier low post position because his defender must come out and meet him at the highpost and not come down and just try and beat him to his spot on the low blocks.
     
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    I don't know about Brown. He wants a lot of money (not a big issue), and he wont give any of our young guys PT. He would want a long contract...those issues aside, I think he would be the safest candidate for our team.

    It's just those Pistons line ups are/were all-star line ups. I don't think their great success ever had much to do with the coach.

    <div class="quote_poster">ownage Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yea Carlisle got Indiana far with nothing much on the roster (conference finals in 03-04?). But then again its the east...</div>

    Yea, I though the exact same thing. I thought that was funny.

    <div class="quote_poster">yudalicious Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, that's fickle fans for ya... but honestly, I didnt think (and I didnt see many here who thought so) that JVG was a serious COY candidate, I was always a little surprised when the media mentioned him as a top candidate. I actually like JVG, but think that we'd benefit from a more... versatile coach.</div>

    I don't think that anyone's being fickle. Whether or not he's getting fired, or walking out, we will need a new coach...unless he does stay that is.

    It sucks how that works. At least it's keeping us Rockets fans busy....ugh this will be a looonnnnnng offseason...6 months...just have to keep looking ahead.

    <div class="quote_poster">Umair Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What type of a coach do yall think we need?

    A high offense coach who can make us good shooters.

    -OR-

    A high defense coach who plays halfcourt basketball.</div>


    To be honest, I'm on the fence.

    Rick Adelman = High risk, high reward. If he does pan out, we already have defensive minded players and with good execution on the offensive end, we'd be equivelant to the Spurs in their prime.
     
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    I wanna be like Detroit with Flip. Good offense, great defense. Btw Dynastywarrior, what are you talking about? The whole reason Sacramento was so successful before was exactly because of Divac. He was their glue guy, their main man. If you notice, when he went to the Lakers, with almost the rest of the Kings lineup intact, they just weren't the same. If we could have Yao like that, not just scoring and rebounding, but creating plays for others like DREAM said, that would be great.
     
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    RUDY T or stan van gundy
     
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    You know who the ultimate coach would be if we could get him?? Phil Jackson he'd be the best he really knows how to get the most out of the talents he is given. Plus he said he would love to come to houston before he signed with the lakers. you guys think any chance?
     
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    "In Summary

    * According to insider source, Leslie Alexander had had enough and lost patience of Jeff Van Gundy, as he could not raise the Houston Rockets to another level. He could be gone after the summer.
    * The cloest candidate for succeeding JVG could be Rick Adelman, the prior head coach for Sacramento Kings, who is famous for his Prinecton Offense. If Rick Adelman does join the Rockets, it could fundamentally uplift the offense systems of the Rockets, and make better use of both Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming.
    * If JVG is to leave, Tom Thobideau will follow him, and Yao Ming will have to find a new technical coach. Carroll Dawson will be returning to coach Yao Ming. Carroll Dawson used to coach Yao Ming before Jeff Van Gundy arrived, and JVG did not allow Carroll Dawson to coach Yao anymore. Yao Ming will also hire a personal coach to train him on defense and rebounding. Hakkem Olajuwon has also offered to work with Yao Ming on his footworks during this summer.
    * It will be a very busy summer for Yao Ming. He will need to take a minor surgery. It will be that troubled left toe again. After the surgery, the toe nail will cease growing. This will sideline Yao Ming for at least 3 weeks. Right after that, Yao Ming will return to his rehabilitation, and work on the training court. On the night of the loss to the Utah Jazz, Yao Ming vowed: "Speed determines everything. I must recover the speed that I lost after I return from my previous injury/surgery.""

    From a chinese website.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">foo82 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">"In Summary

    * According to insider source, Leslie Alexander had had enough and lost patience of Jeff Van Gundy, as he could not raise the Houston Rockets to another level. He could be gone after the summer.
    * The cloest candidate for succeeding JVG could be Rick Adelman, the prior head coach for Sacramento Kings, who is famous for his Prinecton Offense. If Rick Adelman does join the Rockets, it could fundamentally uplift the offense systems of the Rockets, and make better use of both Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming.
    * If JVG is to leave, Tom Thobideau will follow him, and Yao Ming will have to find a new technical coach. Carroll Dawson will be returning to coach Yao Ming. Carroll Dawson used to coach Yao Ming before Jeff Van Gundy arrived, and JVG did not allow Carroll Dawson to coach Yao anymore. Yao Ming will also hire a personal coach to train him on defense and rebounding. Hakkem Olajuwon has also offered to work with Yao Ming on his footworks during this summer.
    * It will be a very busy summer for Yao Ming. He will need to take a minor surgery. It will be that troubled left toe again. After the surgery, the toe nail will cease growing. This will sideline Yao Ming for at least 3 weeks. Right after that, Yao Ming will return to his rehabilitation, and work on the training court. On the night of the loss to the Utah Jazz, Yao Ming vowed: "Speed determines everything. I must recover the speed that I lost after I return from my previous injury/surgery.""

    From a chinese website.</div>

    Rick Adelman could be a very interesting choice. All those asking for Yao to play more in the high post could get their wish if he came to Houston.
     
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    Nice find foo.

    I did that toe surgery, and it's nothing at all. It seems like all tall people have toe problems, but Yao is still like 1ft 3" taller than me.

    With Yao planning on working on his footwork with Hakeem, and hiring a coach to help with his defense/rebounding I can't wait till next season. Yao will be a monster. CD might even get him to work on his 3 point shot.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">igotask8board Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nice find foo.

    I did that toe surgery, and it's nothing at all. It seems like all tall people have toe problems, but Yao is still like 1ft 3" taller than me.

    With Yao planning on working on his footwork with Hakeem, and hiring a coach to help with his defense/rebounding I can't wait till next season. Yao will be a monster. CD might even get him to work on his 3 point shot.</div>

    Well, I don't know how reliable the source is. The article was written by Wang Meng, and he has been known to exaggerate certain things.
     
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    wow Rick Adelman to the rockets.. wow.
    His offense worked well with Chris Webber who was arguably one of the best passing big men in the game. Yao is a good passing big man to, so we will see how that works out.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">tinyballer Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You know who the ultimate coach would be if we could get him?? Phil Jackson he'd be the best he really knows how to get the most out of the talents he is given. Plus he said he would love to come to houston before he signed with the lakers. you guys think any chance?</div>
    YES, GOD YES! The ONLY way Phil comes to houston is if he quits LA and shows interest here. He's prolly the best coach for our team. But unfortunatley he's pretty loyal to the Lakers.

    If by any chance the Rockets get stupid and take back JVG, it'll be the WORST move since the Texans passed up Reggie Bush and Vince Young. For those of you inquiring about Stan Van Gundy, please STOP. One Van Gundy was bad enough. I think we need to go in a whole new direction.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If by any chance the Rockets get stupid and take back JVG, it'll be the WORST move since the Texans passed up Reggie Bush and Vince Young. For those of you inquiring about Stan Van Gundy, please STOP. One Van Gundy was bad enough. I think we need to go in a whole new direction.</div>

    I agree...Jeff needs to go
     
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    I don't think that Adelman would be the best coach for this current team. Reasons listed below:

    - While Webber and Divac's passing in the high post were greatly utilized by Adelman, Yao, if he plays in the high post, would pretty much mostly shoot mid-range jumpers. His FG% would suffer, and his scoring might drop because he becomes only a double-threat; he won't have the footspeed or the handles to beat defenders off the dribble, he would only shoot or pass. Webber had quickness on his side and did get 20 points per game, but Divac only stayed in the low-teens. Yao would probably just hover around 18-20.

    - We don't have the shooters needed to run the offense that Sacramento ran. They did a lot of backdoor cuts and took a lot of outside shots, we can't really do that with the slow players that we have. We also have to take into consideration TMac, who isn't like Peja Stojakovic. I'd rather give TMac room to penetrate than have him shoot jumpers all day.

    We simply don't have the personnel needed to replicate Sacramento's success, and Yao's lack of speed would suffer in Adelman's system. The defense would also drop, we'd be at best a mid-level defensive team.

    I'd think a coach in the middle of the two extremes would fit best. Carlisle is a slow-it-down type but he's the right guy IMO.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">We simply don't have the personnel needed to replicate Sacramento's success, and Yao's lack of speed would suffer in Adelman's system. The defense would also drop, we'd be at best a mid-level defensive team.

    I'd think a coach in the middle of the two extremes would fit best. Carlisle is a slow-it-down type but he's the right guy IMO.
    </div>

    we could get some pieces in the offseason (Bibby,Moore,Stackhouse,etc.) and I'm sure Adelman could make use of guys like Novak,Head,Snyder,etc. better than Jeff did......
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Good question. This is something I've been askin myself. I think somewhere in the middle. We already have the components to a good defensive team. We just to need to balance it out on offense. I think Adelman would be a great addition..</div>

    I'd agree with you and THE DREAM.

    I think we need MORE plays, more ways of putting the ball in the basket besides... Yao's turn around jumpshot, yao's dunk/layup from tmac's pass, shane battier's 3 from the corner off of tmac's pass, chuck hayes' layup off of tmac's pass, juwan's jumpshot off the pick n roll, layup for tmac on the inbound play, and 3's. Now... that is a LIMITED offense.
     

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