Regardless if he retires or quits, WHO SHOULD REPLACE JVG?

<div class="quote_poster">Locke Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think that Adelman would be the best coach for this current team. Reasons listed below:

- While Webber and Divac's passing in the high post were greatly utilized by Adelman, Yao, if he plays in the high post, would pretty much mostly shoot mid-range jumpers. His FG% would suffer, and his scoring might drop because he becomes only a double-threat; he won't have the footspeed or the handles to beat defenders off the dribble, he would only shoot or pass. Webber had quickness on his side and did get 20 points per game, but Divac only stayed in the low-teens. Yao would probably just hover around 18-20.

- We don't have the shooters needed to run the offense that Sacramento ran. They did a lot of backdoor cuts and took a lot of outside shots, we can't really do that with the slow players that we have. We also have to take into consideration TMac, who isn't like Peja Stojakovic. I'd rather give TMac room to penetrate than have him shoot jumpers all day.

We simply don't have the personnel needed to replicate Sacramento's success, and Yao's lack of speed would suffer in Adelman's system. The defense would also drop, we'd be at best a mid-level defensive team.

I'd think a coach in the middle of the two extremes would fit best. Carlisle is a slow-it-down type but he's the right guy IMO.</div>
So you wanna bring back JVG for another wonderful season of getting eliminated in the 1st round? All you've done is shoot down options without offering anything in return. Yao's jumpshot is pure. I actually think we should run alot more pick and pop, something Adelman can bring back. We're not saying replicate Sacremento. We're saying Adelman can give our offense a serious makeover, something I've been saying we needed for 2 years now. We have a draft, a offseason for trades, and possible Free Agent additions. There is PLENTY time for a few changes on this team. Defense isn't EVERYTHING, you have to eventually put the ball in the basket.

I've noticed under JVG that our team gets only older. I think it's time we get some fresh faces with energy and some attitude. Hopefully we can convince Bonzi to stay after Alexander fire ur favorite coach JVG.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I think we need MORE plays, more ways of putting the ball in the basket besides... Yao's turn around jumpshot, yao's dunk/layup from tmac's pass, shane battier's 3 from the corner off of tmac's pass, chuck hayes' layup off of tmac's pass, juwan's jumpshot off the pick n roll, layup for tmac on the inbound play, and 3's. Now... that is a LIMITED offense.
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lmao Pakman just described Van Gundy's entire playbook, hahaha....

 

<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Hopefully we can convince Bonzi to stay after Alexander fire ur favorite coach JVG.</div>


OMG. Not again..

 

<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So you wanna bring back JVG for another wonderful season of getting eliminated in the 1st round? All you've done is shoot down options without offering anything in return. Yao's jumpshot is pure. I actually think we should run alot more pick and pop, something Adelman can bring back. We're not saying replicate Sacremento. We're saying Adelman can give our offense a serious makeover, something I've been saying we needed for 2 years now. We have a draft, a offseason for trades, and possible Free Agent additions. There is PLENTY time for a few changes on this team. Defense isn't EVERYTHING, you have to eventually put the ball in the basket.

I've noticed under JVG that our team gets only older. I think it's time we get some fresh faces with energy and some attitude. Hopefully we can convince Bonzi to stay after Alexander fire ur favorite coach JVG.</div>
What are you talking about? I'm just stating some of the obvious flaws that Adelman's system would have, ones that you conveniently overlook. Where did I say that I wanted JVG back? I won't mind him back, but if you read my post at all, you'll see that I thought Rick Carlisle would be best.

Now, how about you list the pros and cons of Adelman's system with our team? Are you going to argue that everything is fixable this offseason and we'd have a roster like his? Keep in mind that while the teams like Dallas and Phoenix are successful in the regular season, look at who has won the championships. Miami certainly didn't play a terribly uptempo offense with Shaq, they played more to the middle, and that's what I think will be the best style with our team.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">What are you talking about? I'm just stating some of the obvious flaws that Adelman's system would have, ones that you conveniently overlook. Where did I say that I wanted JVG back? I won't mind him back, but if you read my post at all, you'll see that I thought Rick Carlisle would be best.</div>
What are you talkin about? Adelman's Portland team before Sacremento was an EXCELLENT defensive team. Do ur homework............Plus if you can tolerate JVG's "flaws" then why not consider Adelman.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">Now, how about you list the pros and cons of Adelman's system with our team? Are you going to argue that everything is fixable this offseason and we'd have a roster like his? Keep in mind that while the teams like Dallas and Phoenix are successful in the regular season, look at who has won the championships. Miami certainly didn't play a terribly uptempo offense with Shaq, they played more to the middle, and that's what I think will be the best style with our team.</div>
Are you saying Adelman can't get us in the middle? Or Larry Brown? Miami got their asses handed to them by a much younger, more energetic Bulls team. What they did last year has no relevance to me. San Antonio is a better example. That's who we should aim for.........

 

I want a team like the Spurs. Defensive team with many options on offense (variety of plays) - deep bench.

 

Heres a quote by Yao that I found interesting and frustating (because its the truth).

Yao Ming: At the beginning of the season, everybody said we have a deep bench. But the further we played into the season, our bench had become thinner and thinner. Vassalis Spanoulis and Steve Novak were not given chance to play because they were rookies. Bonzi Wells was abandoned and I am certainly not at all surprised, because he and the head coach were having personality clashes. But later in the series, Kirk Snyder was also dropped, and this I just could not comprehend. Each NBA team needs to have an energy player, who just plays with energy and hustle once sent on court. We need such an energy player, playing against Utah Jazz. Moreover, (I think) this also conforms to the style of our head coach. Kirk Snyder is also very familiar with the (play style of) Utah Jazz. I just could not understand why he (Jeff Van Gundy) did not use Snyder. In this playoff series, if we have an energy player like Mike James, we definitely will have won the series. Well, in lieu of Mike James, if Kirk Snyder had played, we might have come up with better results.

 

<div class="quote_poster">foo82 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Heres a quote by Yao that I found interesting and frustating (because its the truth).

Yao Ming: At the beginning of the season, everybody said we have a deep bench. But the further we played into the season, our bench had become thinner and thinner. Vassalis Spanoulis and Steve Novak were not given chance to play because they were rookies. Bonzi Wells was abandoned and I am certainly not at all surprised, because he and the head coach were having personality clashes. But later in the series, Kirk Snyder was also dropped, and this I just could not comprehend. Each NBA team needs to have an energy player, who just plays with energy and hustle once sent on court. We need such an energy player, playing against Utah Jazz. Moreover, (I think) this also conforms to the style of our head coach. Kirk Snyder is also very familiar with the (play style of) Utah Jazz. I just could not understand why he (Jeff Van Gundy) did not use Snyder. In this playoff series, if we have an energy player like Mike James, we definitely will have won the series. Well, in lieu of Mike James, if Kirk Snyder had played, we might have come up with better results.</div>
Thank you Yao....Bonzi was indeed adandonded by coach. I've been arguing all year about JVG and Yao just confirmed everything we've been arguing. I guess Yao's skull is as "thick" as mine.

 

<div class="quote_poster">foo82 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Heres a quote by Yao that I found interesting and frustating (because its the truth).

Yao Ming: At the beginning of the season, everybody said we have a deep bench. But the further we played into the season, our bench had become thinner and thinner. Vassalis Spanoulis and Steve Novak were not given chance to play because they were rookies. Bonzi Wells was abandoned and I am certainly not at all surprised, because he and the head coach were having personality clashes. But later in the series, Kirk Snyder was also dropped, and this I just could not comprehend. Each NBA team needs to have an energy player, who just plays with energy and hustle once sent on court. We need such an energy player, playing against Utah Jazz. Moreover, (I think) this also conforms to the style of our head coach. Kirk Snyder is also very familiar with the (play style of) Utah Jazz. I just could not understand why he (Jeff Van Gundy) did not use Snyder. In this playoff series, if we have an energy player like Mike James, we definitely will have won the series. Well, in lieu of Mike James, if Kirk Snyder had played, we might have come up with better results.</div>

Wow, Yao took a bunch of shots a JVG. I guess he wants him out.

We could have gotten Mike James at the ASB for J-Ho, and I guess Yao is obviously mad that JVG stopped the trade. J-Ho did what he does best, and that's choke when it matters the most.

Yao will come back more aggressive, and motivated than ever.

 

Wait, where did you get that quote from? I don't think Yao would use "in lieu", and it's usually not like him to say so much negative stuff to the media especially.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Locke Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wait, where did you get that quote from? I don't think Yao would use "in lieu", and it's usually not like him to say so much negative stuff to the media especially.</div>

It's a translated text. The original interview was in Chinese, which is why it's safe to take jabs.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Locke Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think that Adelman would be the best coach for this current team. Reasons listed below:

- While Webber and Divac's passing in the high post were greatly utilized by Adelman, Yao, if he plays in the high post, would pretty much mostly shoot mid-range jumpers. His FG% would suffer, and his scoring might drop because he becomes only a double-threat; he won't have the footspeed or the handles to beat defenders off the dribble, he would only shoot or pass. Webber had quickness on his side and did get 20 points per game, but Divac only stayed in the low-teens. Yao would probably just hover around 18-20.

- We don't have the shooters needed to run the offense that Sacramento ran. They did a lot of backdoor cuts and took a lot of outside shots, we can't really do that with the slow players that we have. We also have to take into consideration TMac, who isn't like Peja Stojakovic. I'd rather give TMac room to penetrate than have him shoot jumpers all day.

We simply don't have the personnel needed to replicate Sacramento's success, and Yao's lack of speed would suffer in Adelman's system. The defense would also drop, we'd be at best a mid-level defensive team.

I'd think a coach in the middle of the two extremes would fit best. Carlisle is a slow-it-down type but he's the right guy IMO.</div>

I totally disagree. Yao does not need to beat people off the dribble. He came into the league as an excellent shooter as well as passer.

Those were his strengths, not his low post game which he had to work to develop.

Unfortunately, he never had a coach that allowed him to play to his strengths while developing the weaker areas of his game.

You also make the mistake of thinking that he will never be utilized in the low post if Adelman becomes the coach.

No offensive system is run 100 percent of the time.

Actually, running high post sets will only make it easier for him to get good post position when he does go down to the low blocks.

Think about it, his defender won't be able to just run down and try and beat Yao to his spot because they won't know when he is going to set up in the high or low post.

Also, you don't just run motion to get jump shots, it's actually designed to get players free for easy layups, the Kings had so many great shooters that they tweaked their strategy and took more jumpshots than normally intended in that offense.

IMO the key to building a championship team is to start with your best player and build around their strengths.

Yao is the Rockets best player, but they have not built the team around his strengths.

If they had, they would have utilized the fantastic passing skills he came into the league with, much like Portland did with Bill Walton when they won the championship over 76ers, who had much more talent from top to bottom.

Walton's passing skills were so strong that they did not even use a true point guard that year. He was able to bounce from high to low post and keep the 76ers defense off balance.

I think Yao has much more potential than Walton, but they have to use all of his skills, if he is to meet that potential.

 

I see your point but I'd much rather have Yao take 5 foot hook shots than 20 foot jumpers. He'll make a fair bit of the shots he takes from the outside, but in the paint he can pretty much at almost 60%. That's an efficiency that I think we would be foolish to pass up on by placing him primarily on top of the key. Having him at the high post would also mean moving our best offensive rebounder away from the basket, reducing a lot of second-chance opportunities.

I also realize that he would still get some touches in the low post, but I think with Yao, it'll be best to have him in the low post. It's in the low post where he's blossomed into the best center in the league and the best move IMO would be to keep him there.

I do agree though that we need to utilize his passing skills more. He can be excellent feeding to cutters and open outside shooters, but he doesn't need to be at the high post to do that.

And I do think that we already have a team built to utilize his strengths. Fast, intelligent cutters like TMac and Hayes, and great corner shooters like Battier and Head. We do need better offensive setups to make use of the supporting cast more.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Locke Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I see your point but I'd much rather have Yao take 5 foot hook shots than 20 foot jumpers. He'll make a fair bit of the shots he takes from the outside, but in the paint he can pretty much at almost 60%. That's an efficiency that I think we would be foolish to pass up on by placing him primarily on top of the key. Having him at the high post would also mean moving our best offensive rebounder away from the basket, reducing a lot of second-chance opportunities.

I also realize that he would still get some touches in the low post, but I think with Yao, it'll be best to have him in the low post. It's in the low post where he's blossomed into the best center in the league and the best move IMO would be to keep him there.

I do agree though that we need to utilize his passing skills more. He can be excellent feeding to cutters and open outside shooters, but he doesn't need to be at the high post to do that.

And I do think that we already have a team built to utilize his strengths. Fast, intelligent cutters like TMac and Hayes, and great corner shooters like Battier and Head. We do need better offensive setups to make use of the supporting cast more.</div>
Or better yet.....How bout utilizing BOTH. Having Yao in the low post for stretches and also utilizing him in the highpost. People forget that Rudy T ran alot of picknpops with Yao, which were very successful. I don't think Yao can grind out every series and remain healthy. He needs to take advantage of his shooting ability.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Or better yet.....How bout utilizing BOTH. Having Yao in the low post for stretches and also utilizing him in the highpost. People forget that Rudy T ran alot of picknpops with Yao, which were very successful. I don't think Yao can grind out every series and remain healthy. He needs to take advantage of his shooting ability.</div>

Right. That's what I am saying. Yao needs to take 20-25 shots a game.

He can't get them all from the low blocks, he needs to get some easy 15-20 foot shots, while giving other players the opportunity to score off of his passing skills.

I don't think there is anyway he would shoot less than 50 percent on his midrange shots. So if he took 10 shots from the free throw line extended area, that's 5 buckets and probably a couple of assists to teammates cutting to the basket.

That still leaves 10-15 shots from the low post.

And like I said, his shooting and passing from that position should actually help him shoot a higher percentage from the low post, because he will be able to get better position when he does post up on the low blocks.

It's a no brainer to me, you build the team around your best players strengths.

That's what allows them to carry the team through tough stretches.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Locke Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I see your point but I'd much rather have Yao take 5 foot hook shots than 20 foot jumpers. He'll make a fair bit of the shots he takes from the outside, but in the paint he can pretty much at almost 60%. That's an efficiency that I think we would be foolish to pass up on by placing him primarily on top of the key. Having him at the high post would also mean moving our best offensive rebounder away from the basket, reducing a lot of second-chance opportunities.
I also realize that he would still get some touches in the low post, but I think with Yao, it'll be best to have him in the low post. It's in the low post where he's blossomed into the best center in the league and the best move IMO would be to keep him there.

I do agree though that we need to utilize his passing skills more. He can be excellent feeding to cutters and open outside shooters, but he doesn't need to be at the high post to do that.

And I do think that we already have a team built to utilize his strengths. Fast, intelligent cutters like TMac and Hayes, and great corner shooters like Battier and Head. We do need better offensive setups to make use of the supporting cast more.</div>

It would also mean our best player FG% wise would take more shots...what jmc and rock said.

As well as taking the other teams best rebounder almost out of the paint, allowing Hayes to crash the offensive glass.