<div class="quote_poster">NewYorkBalla33 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm talking about the Boki trade.</div> Yeah exactly. We traded Boki and Jim Jackson for David Wesley like 3 years ago. Linton Johson came to the league 1 year ago.
<div class="quote_poster">Umair Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah exactly. We traded Boki and Jim Jackson for David Wesley like 3 years ago. Linton Johson came to the league 1 year ago.</div> He's talking about New Orleans trading Nachbar to New Jersey.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It was a good trade at the time. Jim Jackson and Nachbar were playing poorly, and we got a solid player in return.</div> Huh? Jim Jackson was a very solid player for us. He was a poor man's Shane Battier. Plus we got an old, washed up & undersized David Wesley who cost us a playoff series against Dallas. I guess Wesley was more of a "JVG type" player.........
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Huh? Jim Jackson was a very solid player for us. He was a poor man's Shane Battier. Plus we got an old, washed up & undersized David Wesley who cost us a playoff series against Dallas. I guess Wesley was more of a "JVG type" player.........</div> Very true Wesley was anything but a solid player IMO. That team that played Dallas in the playoffs had a one year shot, look at were most of those guys are at now, either retired or will never play again. That's the big issue with this whole "Win now" way of thinking, if you don't win then you,re stuck with older players and bad contracts. Combine that with Jeff's inability to develop rookies and you have exactly what were going thru right now.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Gave up someone that now makes clutch shots and keeps Nets in the game at times. He's better than Luther Head plus he's taller(something Rockets lack) at the guard position. Isn't he SG or SF?</div> Ask any Nets fan and they'll tell you he's hardly clutch. He had two 3 pointers that could have been game-winners in the 1st round and missed both of them. Boki's a talented player (like a poor-man's Andrea Bargnani IMO), but I don't think it was a stupid move when he was traded. He looked like another Euro-bust and his recent turnaround has surprised even the Nets.
<div class="quote_poster">Blurr#7 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Very true Wesley was anything but a solid player IMO. That team that played Dallas in the playoffs had a one year shot, look at were most of those guys are at now, either retired or will never play again. That's the big issue with this whole "Win now" way of thinking, if you don't win then you,re stuck with older players and bad contracts. Combine that with Jeff's inability to develop rookies and you have exactly what were going thru right now.</div> True...The biggest problem with JVG is we stay OLD. Since he's been here we've only got older. We've been consistently the OLDEST team in the league. Makin it harder for us to pull off trades because either our players are old or one-dimensional.
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Huh? Jim Jackson was a very solid player for us. He was a poor man's Shane Battier. </div> Except he was turnover prone and not nearly as good a perimeter defender. Wesley was versatile enough to defend both PGs and SGs, which made him an ideal match when playing alongside Bob Sura and Tracy McGrady. We were 10-14 before he (and Boki) got traded. 41-17 afterwards. Those results speak for itself.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Except he was turnover prone and not nearly as good a perimeter defender. Wesley was versatile enough to defend both PGs and SGs, which made him an ideal match when playing alongside Bob Sura and Tracy McGrady.</div> Are you serious? David Wesley got ABUSED in that series against Dallas. Perimiter defender? Tell that to Jerry Stackhouse, the one who simply rose up and shot over him at will. Jim Jackson was a better defender, better shooter, and obviously better player than Wesley was. Fans who follow the Rockets know it's really no comparison. NOTE: Jackson averaged 14pts in the playoffs for us while guarding Kobe. End of discussion
Geeze, we've been over this so many times. Some think Wesley did a good job on Stackhouse, some don't. The stats help one side, but the other side just shrugs it off. Either way I doubt Jim Jackson would have produced consistently for us until the playoffs. He was playing way too many minutes and the way he dropped off in Phoenix and thereafter shows.
<div class="quote_poster">Locke Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Geeze, we've been over this so many times. Some think Wesley did a good job on Stackhouse, some don't. The stats help one side, but the other side just shrugs it off.</div> The stats? Stackhouse KILLED us that series. He averaged like 14pts and hit some BIG shots to put us away. Wesley could NOT hold him. Everybody knows this but Locke....A fan of David Wesley <div class="quote_poster">Locke Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Either way I doubt Jim Jackson would have produced consistently for us until the playoffs. He was playing way too many minutes and the way he dropped off in Phoenix and thereafter shows.</div> Drop off? The guy came too Phoenix and was a MAJOR contributor his first year. His 2nd year wasn't too good, but he's played well almost everywhere he's been. U wanna talk about drop off? Where the hell is David Wesley? Carrying Lebron's bags in Cleveland. I think he's averaging like 2pts. WOW! Go David! Bottom line, Jim Jackson is a better player than Wesley. I'd take Jim Jackson on Stackhouse any day of the week.
Uh huh. Stackhouse also shot 40 percent in the series and averaged lower than his season average. Anyways, let's not talk about this because I know there's no way you'd ever say anything to the contrary, and I sure won't believe in whatever opinion you throw at me. Jim Jackson didn't contribute "MAJORLY" in Phoenix his first year. He was the sixth man on probably the weakest bench of all playoff teams at the time and gave Richardson and Johnson some time off, but he didn't play as big a role as he did on the Rockets. My argument is that he wouldn't have been able to play 40 minutes a game for that whole season, as he was already 35 at the time and he had played huge minutes the season before as well. I'm not bashing on Jackson's career at all. He had a great season with Yao and Francis but I'm just saying that the Wesley move proved to the beneficial. durvasa's already brought up the win-loss records, something I see you've conveniently overlooked again. Also, it's funny how you're bringing up how Wesley has fallen off when Jim Jackson didn't even get signed to a team last summer. And hey, while you're crying about how Wesley was a JVG move, Jim Jackson was a JVG acquisition as well. So I guess this is one of the "JVG moves" that you liked eh?
<div class="quote_poster">Rock4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Are you serious? David Wesley got ABUSED in that series against Dallas. Perimiter defender? Tell that to Jerry Stackhouse, the one who simply rose up and shot over him at will. Jim Jackson was a better defender, better shooter, and obviously better player than Wesley was. Fans who follow the Rockets know it's really no comparison.</div> I don't draw conclusions based on a couple games. We were a better team with Wesley than Jim Jackson, as evident by the change in our record. Sura, Barry, and Wesley were all key additions that turned around our season. It made us quicker defensively, and our offense didn't bog down as much. And, FYI, Jerry Stackhouse was no more effective against David Wesley and the Rockets as he was in the following series against Jim Jackson and the Phoenix Suns.
