Jazz Crowd Racist?

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  1. Stockton

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    At times during the first two games of the Warriors' Western Conference semifinal with the Utah Jazz, the sound generated by the home crowd at EnergySolutions Arena has reached ear-ringing levels.
    But even that much noise didn't keep Stephen Jackson and Jason Richardson from hearing some ugly language come through loud and clear from the sold-out stands.

    Jackson and Richardson both said Thursday that they had been subjected to racial slurs from the predominantly white crowd of 19,911 during Game 2 on Wednesday night.

    Neither player would repeat what specific insults were used, but Jackson said they included a six-letter word.

    "That was something new," Richardson said. "It shocked all of us. We weren't expecting that. I mean, (Jazz fans) were trying to get into our heads any way they can, but I couldn't believe anybody would stoop that low. It's nonsense."

    No Warriors mentioned any such problems after the game Wednesday. The topic came out only when Jackson was asked Thursday about the difference between playing at Oracle Arena versus Salt Lake City.

    "Well, we're not hearing racial slurs, we're not hearing people wishing for me to go to jail," Jackson said. "That's the difference for me. I'm loved here in Oakland. I'm John Gotti in Utah."</div>

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  2. B.e.

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    Not really surprised...people are ignorant.

    and I've never seen a black person in their crowd either.
     
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    Probably happens at arenas across the country. The league needs to do a better job of protecting the players from verbal assault.
     
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    Sad to hear.... but I guess there has to be a few morons in a crowd of 20,000 people.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Marbire Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Sad to hear.... but I guess there has to be a few morons in a crowd of 20,000 people.</div>
    Exactly, there will always be racist people but labeling the whole crowd as racist is nonsense.
     
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    Yeah there will always be "a few" but if that were the case I'm sure this wouldn't even be a story. Utah isn't known for minorities... I'm sure there were more than just a few and I understand its not the whole crowd, but it's not surprising to me that a Utah crowd would be labeled racist.

    No disrespect to non-racist Utah residents, but let's face it, Utah is full of whites, more than a few have probably developed some racist thoughts.
     
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    isnt there a big mormon thing goin on in utah? and a huge bunch of devout fundementalist christians? within these two groups the percentage of rascists is probably pretty close to 50%. such an ignorant religion with such narrow minded,ignorant people, but i guess that really sums up the majority of the US. no offense to you guys but lets face the facts, america is the most narrow, ignorant, money-gusling, aggresive, war-mongoring country in the world, not every american is, but alot are, and utah being almost all white people then its not suprising that you get rascist comments, sometimes i wish i could say i wasnt white.
     
  8. Chutney

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    ^ No offense, but you come across as a lot more ignorant than the people you're describing.

    It's a shame that a few people can make an entire city look so bad. Its the same way that a few morons made most people think Detroit's full of drunken idiots.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^ No offense, but you come across as a lot more ignorant than the people you're describing.

    It's a shame that a few people can make an entire city look so bad. Its the same way that a few morons made most people think Detroit's full of drunken idiots.</div>

    I agree with you, how few people can make an area labeled "rednecks" or "thugs" is beyond me. I just don't agree with people saying Utah's bad, there will always be a few bad eggs in a bunch, but that doesn't mean they're all bad.
     
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    doesn't surprise me....that crowd is nothing but white faces.....not one little spec of color anywhere....a lot of times that isn't a good thing......

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah there will always be "a few" but if that were the case I'm sure this wouldn't even be a story. Utah isn't known for minorities... I'm sure there were more than just a few and I understand its not the whole crowd, but it's not surprising to me that a Utah crowd would be labeled racist.

    No disrespect to non-racist Utah residents, but let's face it, Utah is full of whites, more than a few have probably developed some racist thoughts.
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    I agree....I don't think anyone is trying to say that the whole crowd was racist, but there's probably a good number of people in that area who are....
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">^ No offense, but you come across as a lot more ignorant than the people you're describing.

    It's a shame that a few people can make an entire city look so bad. Its the same way that a few morons made most people think Detroit's full of drunken idiots.
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    Actually I have to kind of agree with Akira's post....the majority of the people in that arena are white middle - upper class conservatives who probably haven't had much experience with people outside of their race....like I said that doesn't mean the whole crowd is racist, but with that being the background for most of the people in that arena that would lead one to think that there are probably more than just a few bigots in the crowd.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Actually I have to kind of agree with Akira's post....the majority of the people in that arena are white middle - upper class conservatives who probably haven't had much experience with people outside of their race....like I said that doesn't mean the whole crowd is racist, but with that being the background for most of the people in that arena that would lead one to think that there are probably more than just a few bigots in the crowd.</div>

    There may be more than a few bigots in the crowd, just like there's probably more than a few bigots in the crowd in Oakland.

    Then of those, it's a few who are actually stupid enough to yell something out.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">There may be more than a few bigots in the crowd, just like there's probably more than a few bigots in the crowd in Oakland.

    Then of those, it's a few who are actually stupid enough to yell something out.
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    yes there are bigots everywhere and this isn't the first time this has happened at a sporting event, but Oakland is a much more diverse (culturally,racially, and economically) than Utah....when the majority of the audience has the background of being

    a. white
    b. middle and upper class
    c. conservative
    d. not having experiences with people outside of their race

    You can easily see how racist comments being yelled out can be considered a norm.....
     
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    If you yell "ni##er" at a warriors game you should probably watch your back, because chances are someone will be waiting for you outside....yell it at a Utah game and no one really notices it, because it doesn't offend anyone in the audience.
     
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    Utah is probably known for its ethnic diversity much like its known for its deep roots in Jazz music. [​IMG]

    Whoever yelled those insults is an idiot because they're basically insulting a little more than 1/2 of their entire Jazz team as well. Some people are idiots. The sad thing is when one idiot says something and they're the same race as the majority crowd, the whole majority crowd looks bad to the eyes of the suddenly paranoid minority. That's why I feel somebody from the crowd has to speak up and tell the loser to shut up otherwise the majority crowd will look like fence sitters who don't care if somebody spouts off and look the other way like it's even remotely tolerable behavior. But then again I don't know all the facts.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^ No offense, but you come across as a lot more ignorant than the people you're describing.

    It's a shame that a few people can make an entire city look so bad. Its the same way that a few morons made most people think Detroit's full of drunken idiots.</div>
    I completely agree with you.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Actually I have to kind of agree with Akira's post....the majority of the people in that arena are white middle - upper class conservatives who probably haven't had much experience with people outside of their race....like I said that doesn't mean the whole crowd is racist, but with that being the background for most of the people in that arena that would lead one to think that there are probably more than just a few bigots in the crowd.</div>
    Well I disagreed with akira because it was one big rant about Christians and America that was pretty ignorant.

    Here's the thing, though. Just because you live in an area that isn't very diverse does not mean you grow up into a hateful human being. It takes a whole lot of factors, outside of the diversity of your area, to cross that line. Off the top of my head, Boston, Detroit (Auburn Hills), Minnesota, and Denver have a majority white population and they haven't had major problems with racism in their arenas. Its easy to pin this on the city being completely white, but that doesn't directly translate to racism and it takes a special type of ignorance/hatred/stupidity to spout racial insults at the opposing players when you're own team is mainly black.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting THE DREAM:</div><div class="quote_post"> If you yell "ni##er" at a warriors game you should probably watch your back, because chances are someone will be waiting for you outside....yell it at a Utah game and no one really notices it, because it doesn't offend anyone in the audience.</div>
    I don't agree with this at all. Sure, black people are obviously going to take a racial insult much more personally, if its directed to their race. But, you don't have to be black, or live near blacks, to recognize a hateful remark and understand that its wrong. Just because no one stood up, doesn't mean they don't care. Maybe they were too timid, didn't hear it properly, or didn't know what to do.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">a. white
    b. middle and upper class
    c. conservative
    d. not having experiences with people outside of their race

    You can easily see how racist comments being yelled out can be considered a norm.....</div>

    No, I cannot see how racist comments yelled out would be "considered a norm" in Utah. Just because the majority of the people in the arena are most likely middle/upper class white conservatives really has no connection to being racist.

    I agree 100% with Chutney.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well I disagreed with akira because it was one big rant about Christians and America that was pretty ignorant.

    Here's the thing, though. Just because you live in an area that isn't very diverse does not mean you grow up into a hateful human being. It takes a whole lot of factors, outside of the diversity of your area, to cross that line. Off the top of my head, Boston, Detroit (Auburn Hills), Minnesota, and Denver have a majority white population and they haven't had major problems with racism in their arenas. Its easy to pin this on the city being completely white, but that doesn't directly translate to racism and it takes a special type of ignorance/hatred/stupidity to spout racial insults at the opposing players when you're own team is mainly black.


    I don't agree with this at all. Sure, black people are obviously going to take a racial insult much more personally, if its directed to their race. But, you don't have to be black, or live near blacks, to recognize a hateful remark and understand that its wrong. Just because no one stood up, doesn't mean they don't care. Maybe they were too timid, didn't hear it properly, or didn't know what to do.</div>

    I understand where you are coming from. A few racist remarks from someone in the crowd close enough for Stephen Jackson to hear doesn't make Utah a racist state. BUT... to deny that Utah may have more bigotry than most other states in the US is simply denial on your part. Utah is the state home of the Mormon religion which, up until the late 60s was unapologetically racist towards blacks. They conveniently changed that tune when things started changing in the US after the Civil Rights movement. These players play in so many different cities in different states night in and night out and yet Jackson seems to be pointing a finger at Utah specifically does tell you something. Utah isn't racist... and Utah fans, for the most part aren't racist either... but is it possible that Utah has a higher concentration of racists than most other states and that this is reflected in the fans at the games? Most def.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well I disagreed with akira because it was one big rant about Christians and America that was pretty ignorant.

    Here's the thing, though. Just because you live in an area that isn't very diverse does not mean you grow up into a hateful human being. It takes a whole lot of factors, outside of the diversity of your area, to cross that line. Off the top of my head, Boston, Detroit (Auburn Hills), Minnesota, and Denver have a majority white population and they haven't had major problems with racism in their arenas. Its easy to pin this on the city being completely white, but that doesn't directly translate to racism and it takes a special type of ignorance/hatred/stupidity to spout racial insults at the opposing players when you're own team is mainly black.


    I don't agree with this at all. Sure, black people are obviously going to take a racial insult much more personally, if its directed to their race. But, you don't have to be black, or live near blacks, to recognize a hateful remark and understand that its wrong. Just because no one stood up, doesn't mean they don't care. Maybe they were too timid, didn't hear it properly, or didn't know what to do.</div>

    Are you saying that religion has had no connection to racism and bigotry over the years? Akira may have made a radical statement... but is it even partially true to an extent?
     

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