Amare: Spurs Are a Dirty Team

<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nash threw some flopping in there, he didn't try to break his fall at all. Was it dirty? Hell yeah. But a hard foul is a hard foul, stop crying.

Amare and Diaw better be suspended. The rules clearly state that you're not allowed to set foot on the court.</div>

But then wouldn't Phoenix have a case for suspending Duncan and Bowen when they came on the court when Elson and Jones got into it?

 

Nash hadn't hit Horry in the face with an elbow. Hell, Horry has been pretty useless for most of this series. He has no business being such an important part of how the series goes.

 

<div class="quote_poster">scorbutic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">They were 22 seconds away from a good clean game... some habits die hard.</div>

I'm really amazed that the Suns - and their fans - are whining this much. Raja Bell was trying for a battle royale with Kobe Bryant during last year's postseason, and now all I can read about is the 'dirty' Spurs and woe-is-me Suns. Grow some thicker skin, guys: this is the playoffs. In any other sport, the Suns and their fans would be a laughingstock for the huge deal being made of physical play. If your team has a guy like Bell (who I've always liked for his defense), it's really tough to stomach the wining about someone else dishing it out. Bell has done things every bit as bad as Bowen has, or as Horry did.

Now, I've posted all over this board that I DO NOT condone the actions of Bowen (knee to Nash's crotch) or Horry (hip-check), and I think the Suns got screwed by the recent suspensions of Stoudamire and Diaw. However, that doesn't give the excuse to sit here and whine about every bump and bruise during a tough playoff series. Enough already.


<font color=""Red"">Didn't mean to say 'kids' in a bad way, I should've written guys or people in the first place </font>

 

It's not bruises and bumps. It's illegal thug defense. Off the court it'd be assault. It's also a ton of no-calls for the spurs. It's also unjust suspensions by the league, clearly ignoring their own rules. If you think that getting pissed about that sort of stuff is whining then you need to get your head examined.

 

I get it, you Spurs fans want the trophy even if you have to cheat and be given it by the NBA. In that case, take it, I don't want any tainted trophy anyway... it'll be like 1999 when you didn't deserve it then either. I'll be more than happy to win it the right way not having to resort to dirty tactics and bail outs by the NBA. Funny, it wasn't whining when you guys wouldn't shut up about Duncan being tossed out of a useless regular season game, but it is when it's against your team, stop being such a homer.

 

I think Bowen is 100% dirty. He's used the same tricks on players and seemingly never gets caught. On the other side of the story, the Suns fans need to stop crying. Nash wasn't injured, or Amare, or anyone else. The only injury was in game one and that was unintentional because Paker was banged up as well. I agree what Horry did was dirty but jut move on and play.

Also, I think the NBA made the right move. Amare and Diaw were way too far from the bench not to get suspended and those two should know what the rule is. Duncan was on the court but he was barely on, like a step inside the 3 point arc.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Playmaker15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think Bowen is 100% dirty. He's used the same tricks on players and seemingly never gets caught. On the other side of the story, the Suns fans need to stop crying. Nash wasn't injured, or Amare, or anyone else. The only injury was in game one and that was unintentional because Paker was banged up as well. I agree what Horry did was dirty but jut move on and play.

Also, I think the NBA made the right move. Amare and Diaw were way too far from the bench not to get suspended and those two should know what the rule is. Duncan was on the court but he was barely on, like a step inside the 3 point arc.</div>

Oh so the rule says you can be barely on the court and that's okay?? Plus Amare ran onto the court before the altercation part took place. He was being removed from the court, thus going away from the incident when Horry began throwing elbows. If you consider the entire ordeal an altercation then the Duncan and Bowen incident before would have been.

I think what we are trying to point out is that we are getting screwed here plain and simple. You want to call that whining, fine. This is a forum and these are our opinions so please respect them. The league is simply rewarding the Spurs for an altercation they caused. That is not justice. Pinning this on some arbitrary line while assuming intent is no way to interpret a rule.

Also, Schaddy please don't call me a kid, it is demeaning, please respect that. I have graduated college and am in law school, I deserve the right not to be degraded to prepubescence.

 

<div class="quote_poster">*Scotch Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Oh so the rule says you can be barely on the court and that's okay?? Plus Amare ran onto the court before the altercation part took place. He was being removed from the court, thus going away from the incident when Horry began throwing elbows. If you consider the entire ordeal an altercation then the Duncan and Bowen incident before would have been.

I think what we are trying to point out is that we are getting screwed here plain and simple. </div>

The difference is that when Duncan was on the floor there was no altercaton and he didn't sprint and try to get past coaches. He took a coupe of steps onto the court that's all. While Amare jsut ran on the court after the incident. You have to be incredibly biased to believe the Amare was going to play peace-maker.

 

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You're being a hypocrite if you don't see these as the same. There's a good reason Horry decked Nash, watch the elbows Nash throws on the pick and roll to the small of the back and also his own hip check into the Forwards knees, the next time these teams play. Horry is not the type of player to just go out and take a cheap shot. Something had taken place prior to this and Horry wanted to send Nash a message.

Playmaker15, you're also being a hypocrite. Duncan was ONLY inside the 3point line? Where's the justification for him having both feet on the court to begin with? He should have also been suspended, he clearly violated the rules for players to not get up and go on the court when there is an altercation.</div>

Shape, there's a difference between being five feet away from your bench and standing there while something MAY HAVE developed and being 20-25 feet away from your bench and trying to get past coaches DURING a physical altercation.

 

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Not according to the rule. It doesn't state you have to be within 'x' amount of feet away from the bench. It just states a player cannot leave the bench when there's potential for an altercation. Which Duncan clearly did.</div>

I believe the rule says the player must be in the vicinity of the bench. Duncan's case is much more reasonable than Amare's.

 

Suns fans - let me make this very clear to you, if you hadn't noticed: I agree fully that the suspensions of Stoudamire and Diaw are crap. I posted this in a thread about the series:
<div class="quote_poster">Schaddy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^ the suspensions honestly suck, and they're made worse by the fact that Duncan wasn't suspended for coming off the bench in the 2nd quarter. To lose Stoudamire when Duncan did virtually the same thing is a screw by the league on Phoenix. The only guy who should've been suspended is Horry, and maybe Raja Bell, just because he reminds me of Darcy Tucker out there - and he was about the only one who looked ready and willing to fight after Horry's hip-check.</div>

So you can see, I'm not talking about you guys whining about the suspensions. I agree that they suck, and if I were you, I'd be mad as hell.

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What I AM saying is whining is all the rest of it. Amare calling out the Spurs publicly. Everyone saying that the Spurs are cheap shot-artists. People talking about an NBA conspiracy to see the Spurs win. To me, this looks like, up until today's suspensions, a case of somebody not getting their way, not wanting to deal with tough, physical play, and whining.

<div class="quote_poster">unbeliever Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It's not bruises and bumps. It's illegal thug defense. Off the court it'd be assault. It's also a ton of no-calls for the spurs. It's also unjust suspensions by the league, clearly ignoring their own rules. If you think that getting pissed about that sort of stuff is whining then you need to get your head examined.</div>

Again, I'm completely amazed at this type of post. Did I imagine Raja Bell clothes-lining Kobe last year? You want to talk about assault if it didn't happen on the court? And just before someone blames me of this, too, I couldn't dislike a player more than I dislike Kobe Bryant

Also, scorbutic, calling me a Spurs homer is one of the funnier things I've ever heard. Dude, check my posts. I barely even post in the Spurs forum, I <u>just today</u> said that Duncan should've been suspended right along with Amare. I like the team's style of play, Tim Duncan, and Popps. I'm a Bucks fan, far more than I ever will be a Spurs fan. If you think I'm a homer, there's no point arguing anymore, because you just don't subscribe to common reason.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Did I imagine Raja Bell clothes-lining Kobe last year? </div>

Welcome to this year, now.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Schaddy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What I AM saying is whining is all the rest of it. Amare calling out the Spurs publicly. Everyone saying that the Spurs are cheap shot-artists. People talking about an NBA conspiracy to see the Spurs win. To me, this looks like, up until today's suspensions, a case of somebody not getting their way, not wanting to deal with tough, physical play, and whining. </div>

Dude there's a difference from tough physical play like pushing and shoving for post position from KICKING a person when he's going up for a dunk/lay up. There's also a difference in PUTTING YOUR FOOT under the person while he's going for a jump shot then from being a in your face defender. Those things that Bruce Bowen did are DIRTY, CHEAP SHOTS. The only reason you say this is to get the attention of the NBA and to the officials to keep an closer look at Bowen. Though they fail to do that since there's been a TON of players that has called him a dirty player.

 

Schaddy a lot of my comments weren't directed towards you, I'd have used your name if I wanted to single you out. I can see you're from Madison, Wisconsin, I see your avatar, I realize you like the Bucks.

I was just very angry when I posted earlier, not just at the comments on this forum, but from Spurs fans who will convince themselves of anything just to win a trophy. I didn't even mean half of what I said (especially about '99, that's Phil Jackson talk). Even if I weren't a Suns fan I can't understand how I could find this to be fair. You can find at least 2 posts where I have said I didn't want Bowen suspended for anything he has done (though a fine would've made him realize he can't keep getting away with it) and how I didn't want Horry suspended... I want both teams to play clean (you can play rough, without being dirty, SA did it most of Game 4), with all their players to see who really is the better team, this has been quite a series so far, the NBA just tainted the entire 2007 Playoffs with this biased ruling.

Amare and Diaw were just as far from their bench as Duncan and Bowen were, I saw the game and the replays, neither got within 20 feet of the crowd, they were at max 10 feet away from their bench area. You can't expect players to sit like robots when your teammate get nailed with a dirty hit... you have to understand they will react, give them the benefit of getting back to the bench after the instant reaction. They were not running there with their fists in the air... what Amare should've done was come out swinging, as he'd have had the same suspension! It's an asinine decision!

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">There's a good reason Horry decked Nash</div>
Let's not forget Horry didn't play the whole game, if Duncan were getting elbowed by Nash, Duncan should've been a man and stood up for himself instead of getting Cheap-Shot-Bob to do something... Horry wasn't elbowed by Nash, I know that because the last time I saw Horry play more than the last minute of a game, he was wearing a Rockets uniform. Also since when can a big person cheap shot a little person and it be okay? Not in real life, not in sports; if Nate Robinson gets in your 6'9" face (more like navel), feel free to take a swing, but waiting until he's not looking and laying him out is never okay.

We know Raja clotheslined Kobe last year, did everybody just get the memo or something? If you remember Raja was suspended rightfully so, Odom and Walton were not. I don't think anybody is saying what Raja did was okay, and what he did does not make what Horry did, or what Stern/Jackson did any more justified. Remember when Kermit Washington broke Rudy Tomjanovich's jaw? Huh? Oh that has nothing to do with this either? My bad.

 

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You're being a hypocrite if you don't see these as the same. There's a good reason Horry decked Nash, watch the elbows Nash throws on the pick and roll to the small of the back and also his own hip check into the Forwards knees, the next time these teams play. Horry is not the type of player to just go out and take a cheap shot. Something had taken place prior to this and Horry wanted to send Nash a message.</div>
Okay, I'll give you that one. Nash uses a lot of the same dirty tactics little players like John Stockton used during their careers. So Horry comes in for 4 minutes and decides he needs to do something about it? Compare it to the Raja/Kobe incident. Raja decked Kobe, got ejected and suspended. He did the crime and paid the time. So Horry should also be suspended for at least, and probably only, one game. But why punish the Suns by taking away two stars on a bullshit rule?

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It was brought up by Downtown, which is why I responded to his comment.</div>
Actually, I didn't bring it up. My first mention of the incident was in response to someone else, I forget who.