Game 5: Warriors at Jazz

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    No i dont feel stupide whatsoever.....

    Fisher did the only thing that i have said he can do ....spot up and shoot.... and he did it well tonight....

    apparently you didnt watch him play his stuck in cement matador defense.... i mean ellis left him twice so fast he couldnt even reach ..... and we constantly were isolating on fisher.... defensively he was his usual self ..... horrible...

    he had his usually poor decisions and passing....

    he is the liaiblity.... but he did play well the past two games.... where all the things he killed your team are forgotten for some hot shooting.... similar to how we forgive MP and barnes for all there mistakes .... but seem to make up for it briefly with a great play.

    we packed it in taking away the paint..... fisher was left wide open and he stepped up and hit shots....

    I don't need to explain to a ute fan why fisher is terrible..... 2 years as a warrior was enough to prove that.... for fisher it is all about the system and he is one he fits in with
     
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    REading all the posts ....

    I am on board with moving Harrington...

    I still think barnes needs to go unless he is willing to accept a cheap contract

    same goes for MP

    I also agree that it is chemistry that carried us a lot...and i would much rather see us add to ..... and try and move the pieces that dont fit

    foyle, harrington, sarunas in particular

    A long 6 weeks til the draft....
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Personally, I don't trade JRich. He is the heart and soul of this team. He had a solid post season, with 19.7 points 6.6 rebounds, and 1.5 steals, but still struggled at times. Remember he came back from that knee and hand injury pretty quick. Maybe after this summer, by next year, he'll return to star form.

    But the biggest thing is that, IMO, right now he's a bargain at his contract -- he made 10 mils this year, while Pierce made 15.

    I do think Jrich struggles handling the ball, and passing, but with the way he's improved his weaknesses every off season, I have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he'll continue to improve. Remember, he's still young!

    I do hear you, though, CR2, Pierce would be an instant star (and an instant go-to guy for shots and free throws). What kind of trade would you propose for Pierce?</div>

    I don't know what we can get, but I was assuming if we could ever do it straight up. I mean here was a pretty decently polished college player that had a great deal of the game and he slipped in the draft. I always liked Pierce's game compared to Jrich's. Unlike, Jrich, Pierce will hit his most of his free throws (especially in the fourth) and take somebody off the dribble without turning it over off his foot. Plus, he rebounds, assists, steals, and defends. Jrich... even though he wasn't entirely healthy... I feel like he'll always be this guy that can't make the free throws or create his own shot to play the shooting guard position.
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">jason voorhees Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">CR2, yeah how can you trade JRich? He's one of the pieces to the puzzle. I think it was you who B&M all last season about chemistry. Well, now we got it and can build on it. Every player is going to have warts. No one is perfect.</div>

    Chemistry? I didn't see one thing that Jrich really did to make others better outside of rebounding and actually making some three pointers. He basically disappeared except for one or maybe two games. It's been all about guys like Sjax and Baron Davis who can actually create their own shot, get to the foul line, and distribute the ball. I don't see Jrich doing that... He's reached his upside. I just don't see any improvement in the areas that shouldn't be affected by his injuries. Free throws for instance... what gives? If Jermaine O'neil can make two left handed with only one useable arm, why can't this guy make two in the fourth quarter both handed? Then dribbling, this guy has no fundamentals to get any better. He's a power forward born in a compact shooting guard's body.

    And you're right no player will be perfect, but nobody close to that at the foul line or making the shots as a set shooter won't advance us against a team that can do all that. Shooting is the one thing that killed us and we had no expert ballhandlers to get it in closer or free somebody else up that doesn't have the skill to create with the ball. A guard should do this. It's in the job description. And Sjax is Sjax. He's a guy that has some of those skills, but is not a prototype shooting guard. He's a combo guy.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Clif25 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah the Warriors were tired, but that is not a surprise by how they played the last three months. This is like the 25th playoff-like game this team had played in a row. They were bound to hit the wall with their energy. It was just frustrating to watch, but not surprising or unexcusable. Improving the bench (adding another PG and maybe another AB type player) would help the team. For all the talk the broadcasters were talking about Utah being inexperienced, well the Warriors aren't so much better in that area.

    BTW CR2 I was thinking you would become a Utah supporter after this series, if they won. They are the type of team you seem to always be talking about. The inside-out team, with good chemistry, good defense, and good fundamentals.</div>

    Yeah it's a shame, size beats speed down the stretch (at a super high probability).

    I won't be a Utah supporter as much as I will be a Jerry Sloan supporter. Precision ball with the ability to run out in the open can win a ring. Inside and Outside presence + defense wins rings. It also helps if you have a superstar or two, but the closest superstar I can really think is... Deron Williams... Boozer... he's good and Okur is good, but they are no Duncan, Shaq, or the amount of interior defense guys like the Wallaces put together (Rasheed expert post defender / Big Ben excellent all-around defender/weakside shotblocker). For the amount of talent that Utah has, I think it's been all about the coaching really. I mean heck... I'm sure Sloan gets crap for not playing Ronnie Brewer, but his system does work, I think. It will someday get closer to a ring. Maybe not this year, but with the mix of size + a good backcourt, it will happen in Sloan's offense. It's just getting the right pieces + health that could get Sloan his first ring.

    Basketball is like Chess. You win with strategy, but also the combination of pieces you have. Right now we did pretty good for a team without many Knights or a Queen. We were just simply outmatched because we were beaten by a definitely more accurate and disciplined offense who had size and rebounding/inside scoring advantage. Whereas we're just a short handed, make-it-up-as-you-go-along shoot them threes, miss our free throws, and gamble for steals zone offense which we can't rebound worth a damn type of team. It beat Dallas (a #1 seed who can't seem to match us), but if we want a ring later on, we gotta beat more than just one team and match everybody well enough to decide the game on the last few posessions. I think we kept some games close, but the three ball and the free throws, lack of production from the bench, and the rebounding disparity really killed us. I hope we can improve upon this and not do this style of ball that will only get us so far... We just needed more players like Baron Davis and Sjax to get the rest of the team function in a playoff atmosphere. It seemed like only those two guys were doing something to create... the rest of the Warriors didn't really step up in my eyes. They just pulled up and shot something and they didn't do anything else... At least Sjax and Baron who were big jackers were getting lots of assists and playing hard nosed D on some of the toughest assignments. I didn't see AH, Jrich, Ellis playing tough covers. And Beans was all right, but dang it he's taller than Boozer but has no muscle to cover him or Okur.

    I don't want to repeat Run TMC's success, I want to go further than that success and get this franchise a championship trophy or else all this will be for show. Maybe that's hard to do when teams like the Spurs, Pistons are so tough... They've got very tough defensive experts + the big men + the backcourt + combo of strength, speed, experience, and basketball smarts.

    I pray for a franchise big man... I'm not hoping for an AB player, I'm hoping for a meatier guy like Dwight Howard or an Amare Stoudamire. Somebody with more muscle than Beansy until he fills out. Somebody that is fast and can clog up the lane and has a few skills that could be turned into a go-to type of weapon. We could get another point guard, but man I think we need another swing guy besides Jackson. Then we need another power forward who can also operate at small forward, but rebounds like a center... too hard to find with only KG and Dirk as the best examples of this type of player. I'm asking for too much and the impossible, but like Chess, we need all the right pieces and a little luck at the right times... Basketball is so unfair this way and how they can win with just one awesomely good player (a future hall of famer).

    Baron is an awesomely good point guard, but man he needs help. A lot of help. Guys were not stepping up for him. I felt bad for Baron. He is the distributor, go and make it easier for him. Instead, we shot outside shots rather than taking it to the hole. I just wish we had a guy who could dominate the paint and neutralize Boozer's high % shooting inside the paint. Beans, he's just not ready or strong enough to dominate defensively or offensively yet. And Harrington is a wuss... He's like Murphy, only Murphy rebounds better and Harrington can move his feet slightly faster but has crappier hands and is not much of a defensive or playmaking player either. I just want to crap on our frontcourt, but not too long ago we had Dunleavy at PF, Murphy/Foyle at C... so I guess I shouldn't complain about slightly old orange juice to that of two week old expired milk. I'll take slightly old oj any old day over expired milk.

    Okay dang this is turning into a gigantic novel, but one more though. I hope Mullin can land Garnett. Trade Richardson/Harrington, a future pick or two for him. I don't care. We need rebounding + to keep our two prospect centers because lord knows KG can't do anything when his center teammate can't rebound or play worth crud. I figure Beans + POB outta give good minutes when they are strong enough and gain about 10-15 extra pounds of muscle (forget this speedy crap we need strength, go heavy!). Sjax + Ellis + Azubuike could fill in the shooting guard roles. For small forward, get another Barnes type guy only not as rock-headed. Hopefully we get a swingman on the low value like a Josh Howard in the late late first round or an undrafted guy like Marquis Daniels. For point guard just keep Baron Davis and use more of Sarunas. Maybe even keep Zarko if Nelson can just get over the fact he was hurt this year and couldn't redeem himself properly. There is Don Nelson's Toni Kukoc-like or most-Dirk-Nowitzki like guy on the entire roster. I don't want to get rid of the guys that can score, create their own shot off the dribble and can pass.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Chemistry? I didn't see one thing that Jrich really did to make others better outside of rebounding and actually making some three pointers. He basically disappeared except for one or maybe two games.</div>

    Well, in JRich's defense, I don't see what you mean by disappearing. Here are his playoff numbers (points/rebounds):

    13/6
    14/10
    30/8
    22/5
    23/7
    15/5
    21/10
    27/4
    25/5
    7/6
    13/8

    That's only one game where he didn't get in double figures, along with rebounding like a monster (for a guard) all series, as well as 6 out of 11 games topping 20 points, including that 30/8 game. IMO he was consistent all series, minus game 4 against Utah.

    But bottom line, you can't do a JRich for Pierce swap. THat's why JRich is a good chip -- he's a value at his contract. To do that trade you'd also have to give up a prospect like Beans or Monta, or something, and though Pierce is a superstar, IMO it ain't worth it.

    I'd much rather focus on a PF, and mybe moving Harrington and/or Foyle by perhaps dangling this year's draft pick out there.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Chemistry? I didn't see one thing that Jrich really did to make others better outside of rebounding and actually making some three pointers. He basically disappeared except for one or maybe two games. It's been all about guys like Sjax and Baron Davis who can actually create their own shot, get to the foul line, and distribute the ball. I don't see Jrich doing that... He's reached his upside. I just don't see any improvement in the areas that shouldn't be affected by his injuries. Free throws for instance... what gives? If Jermaine O'neil can make two left handed with only one useable arm, why can't this guy make two in the fourth quarter both handed? Then dribbling, this guy has no fundamentals to get any better. He's a power forward born in a compact shooting guard's body.

    And you're right no player will be perfect, but nobody close to that at the foul line or making the shots as a set shooter won't advance us against a team that can do all that. Shooting is the one thing that killed us and we had no expert ballhandlers to get it in closer or free somebody else up that doesn't have the skill to create with the ball. A guard should do this. It's in the job description. And Sjax is Sjax. He's a guy that has some of those skills, but is not a prototype shooting guard. He's a combo guy.</div>

    Yes, shooting or lack of is one of the things that killed us last night. That's why it became harder for Baron to penetrate and dish as well as force SJax to iso from outside.

    But to crap on JRich so hard for having a poor game isn't fair. JRich was one of the guys who grabbed rebounds. He also has been shooting his free throws better even though it still needs to get better. Same with his dribbling, but the guy isn't going to be like SJax. He needs someone like Baron, Jax or Monta to get him the ball.

    JRich is one of the guys to build upon. He's a piece of the puzzle like Mitch Richmond (albeit Mitch was better than JRich) was for Run TMC. We need to keep him.
     
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    I'm for giving the Warriors a ton of credit for even making the Warriors a team worth talking about in the NBA.

    Trades? Pietrus is gone unless he stays for some small price.

    Barnes? Yeah he does some bad things but he's a FA pickup and he became a key part of the team. Let's not lose him like Boykins, Custodian. I said all along we needed some scrappy player and lo and behold here's Matt Barnes getting gritty rebounds, dunking in traffic, playing hard. Keep him, please. He's the guy playing Boozer when they went small.

    JRich? Very disappointing defense. Yeah his numbers were good. But this about more than numbers. The Warriors won because they played team ball without caring about who got numbers. The one thing JRich did in the game I liked was when he pulled up for the J instead of settling for the 3 and made it 88-87. JRich needs to play better to keep up with the team ball being played by Baron, SJAx, Barnes, Harrington and Biedrins. He led the team in rebounding last night, but how many were in traffic? Zero.

    Harrington? Poor rebounder, poor defender but he was the one guy who hit huge shots in the 4th quarter. He hustled and tried hard to the end. Keeper.
     
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    I'm a bit surprised to see everyone talking about trading J-Rich and Harrington. I woke up this morning thinking Jackson is the guy we should get rid of. I absolutely love what he can do on the the court, he has great talent and fills a need on the Warriors but I think the way he imploded last night was one of the main reasons the Warriors couldn't get anything going in the 4th. He had an Artest-like impact and it became contagious. He took the ball to the rim a lot but before he landed he was already staring at the ref. If he missed, and he usually did the W's had to play 5 on 4 defensively. Sure, there were missed calls but there's no point in complaining like that. The Warriors were lucky the Jazz missed the free throws from the Ts and flagrant foul but that could have put the game out of reach right there. My opinion of him has done a 180 overnight.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, in JRich's defense, I don't see what you mean by disappearing. Here are his playoff numbers (points/rebounds):

    13/6
    14/10
    30/8
    22/5
    23/7
    15/5
    21/10
    27/4
    25/5
    7/6
    13/8

    That's only one game where he didn't get in double figures, along with rebounding like a monster (for a guard) all series, as well as 6 out of 11 games topping 20 points, including that 30/8 game. IMO he was consistent all series, minus game 4 against Utah.

    But bottom line, you can't do a JRich for Pierce swap. THat's why JRich is a good chip -- he's a value at his contract. To do that trade you'd also have to give up a prospect like Beans or Monta, or something, and though Pierce is a superstar, IMO it ain't worth it.

    I'd much rather focus on a PF, and mybe moving Harrington and/or Foyle by perhaps dangling this year's draft pick out there.</div>

    Oh man, I should have never started this because this now means I have to find numbers to prove my case... Let's just say two figures (points and rebounds) is like comparing what Troy Murphy did for the Warriors. They are just two numbers, and they don't display effiency in field goal / free throw %, they don't show what this guy was doing to affect the other team's foul trouble, they don't show assists, they don't show double teams, where he scored on the floor, they don't show consistency from quarter to quarter (esp in the 4th) or how he was/wasn't capitalizing on offensive/defensive opportunities. To me Sjax was the overall better player than Jrich if we're looking at guards. If we're looking at big men, he was decent, although not great. He's had to rebound a lot more because we don't have a solid power forward or much center depth.

    I know we can't do a Jrich for Pierce swap, but I remember there was probably a time when fans said, "no", even if we could. It was just talking. [​IMG]

    I agree, we need a four man that plays like a center would, only one that has more of a variety of offense like, at least a midrange shot. Josh Powell seems interesting, but how much does the guy weigh? Doesn't seem strong enough to me...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">ryanfish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm a bit surprised to see everyone talking about trading J-Rich and Harrington. I woke up this morning thinking Jackson is the guy we should get rid of. I absolutely love what he can do on the the court, he has great talent and fills a need on the Warriors but I think the way he imploded last night was one of the main reasons the Warriors couldn't get anything going in the 4th. He had an Artest-like impact and it became contagious. He took the ball to the rim a lot but before he landed he was already staring at the ref. If he missed, and he usually did the W's had to play 5 on 4 defensively. Sure, there were missed calls but there's no point in complaining like that. The Warriors were lucky the Jazz missed the free throws from the Ts and flagrant foul but that could have put the game out of reach right there. My opinion of him has done a 180 overnight.</div>

    Man, I'm all for trading Sjax AND Jrich if it lands us an all-star shooting guard. I've never really been a fan of cross position matching where Jrich is really a small forward in a shooting guard's body and Sjax is really a shooting guard in a small forward's body. The shooting guard has to work hard to take pressure of the point guard and I don't think Jrich really had the tools to do all the things that Baron does with the ball like pass and dribble. But Jrich and Sjax are pretty good on paper if we could get some darn size... Sjax is kind of a punk, but it's better than Dunleavy... at least in my opinion. He's definitely shown more on both ends and he's moved the ball more than other small forwards we've had.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">jason voorhees Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, shooting or lack of is one of the things that killed us last night. That's why it became harder for Baron to penetrate and dish as well as force SJax to iso from outside.

    But to crap on JRich so hard for having a poor game isn't fair. JRich was one of the guys who grabbed rebounds. He also has been shooting his free throws better even though it still needs to get better. Same with his dribbling, but the guy isn't going to be like SJax. He needs someone like Baron, Jax or Monta to get him the ball.

    JRich is one of the guys to build upon. He's a piece of the puzzle like Mitch Richmond (albeit Mitch was better than JRich) was for Run TMC. We need to keep him.</div>

    I'm all for keeping Jrich + Sjax because they cross position pretty decently, but if we think about what Jrich's strengths were in the playoffs, I think it could be covered by a similar player. Now if he gets better in the playoffs, well we can talk about him as an untouchable. But I'm treating him as if I had no loyalty to him whatsoever as a fan. If Jrich was used to get an above average big player, I'd do it as I'm sure most would. It's not about dumping Richardson, it's about using the best guys you could stand to lose if it gets us more points in the paint, rebounds, a double team threat, and weakside shotblocking. If we get one of those guys, I don't care if he shoots free throws at 63% because then we can say we swapped a shooting guard to land a big man for those type of free throw %'s. If they aren't a big man player or don't have above average playmaking ability or super defensive prowess, I can't justify a player like Pietrus or Richardson missing some many easy free throws...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">custodianrules2 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah it's a shame, size beats speed down the stretch (at a super high probability).

    Baron is an awesomely good point guard, but man he needs help. A lot of help. Guys were not stepping up for him. I felt bad for Baron. He is the distributor, go and make it easier for him. Instead, we shot outside shots rather than taking it to the hole. I just wish we had a guy who could dominate the paint and neutralize Boozer's high % shooting inside the paint. Beans, he's just not ready or strong enough to dominate defensively or offensively yet. And Harrington is a wuss... He's like Murphy, only Murphy rebounds better and Harrington can move his feet slightly faster but has crappier hands and is not much of a defensive or playmaking player either. I just want to crap on our frontcourt, but not too long ago we had Dunleavy at PF, Murphy/Foyle at C... so I guess I shouldn't complain about slightly old orange juice to that of two week old expired milk. I'll take slightly old oj any old day over expired milk.

    Okay dang this is turning into a gigantic novel, but one more though. I hope Mullin can land Garnett. Trade Richardson/Harrington, a future pick or two for him. I don't care. We need rebounding + to keep our two prospect centers because lord knows KG can't do anything when his center teammate can't rebound or play worth crud. I figure Beans + POB outta give good minutes when they are strong enough and gain about 10-15 extra pounds of muscle (forget this speedy crap we need strength, go heavy!). Sjax + Ellis + Azubuike could fill in the shooting guard roles. For small forward, get another Barnes type guy only not as rock-headed. Hopefully we get a swingman on the low value like a Josh Howard in the late late first round or an undrafted guy like Marquis Daniels. For point guard just keep Baron Davis and use more of Sarunas. Maybe even keep Zarko if Nelson can just get over the fact he was hurt this year and couldn't redeem himself properly. There is Don Nelson's Toni Kukoc-like or most-Dirk-Nowitzki like guy on the entire roster. I don't want to get rid of the guys that can score, create their own shot off the dribble and can pass.</div>

    Size beats speed when the team with speed is putting up bricks like the Warriors were, the refs are calling a foul on each or at least everyother possession, and you get owned on the glass. I suppose size beats speed in the playoffs, though not if you are Yao Ming. You need the blend of size, athleticism, and mobility. That is why Ben Wallace and his team beats out Shaq's teams, possibly in the playoffs.

    The problem with Baron are his legs. He played off the ball and wanted to do too many isos when he had the ball I thought. I wish I had watched the end of the regular season when I saw the box scores flash with huge assist numbers. I didn't see any type of that basketball at all in the playoffs. The only assists, or most of them were to Andris Biedrins off penetration for easy dunks, or on the penetration and kick outs for outside shots. Otherwise the Jazz easily out-executed the Warriors. The Jazz would camp under the hoop, especially when the shot was going up (most of the time about 2 second before the shot went up which made it seem as if they were in the key all the time). Then, yeah basically the warriors got owned on the glass in the first half. This led Nelson to abandon the small-ball in the second half which led to Monta Ellis being non-existant in the second half after a solid first half, especially first quarter (Ellis is completely invisible on the glass amongst other players, which is probably why Nelson didn't play him more).

    I would like Kevin Garnett as well. I wonder if the TWolves cherish Monta Ellis. If they want to build for the future with Randy Foye, maybe they'd like Monta Ellis as well. Obviously the contracts don't fit, but maybe something like JRich or Harrington, Ellis, POB, and Foyle and second round pick(s) can do it (yeah I am starting off very low here, maybe high would be JRich, Harrington, and Ellis but that takes more second guessing which I don't want to think about now). Actually talking about Pierce and KG, I was thinking that it would be awesome to see KG, Pierce, and the Boss on the same team. Unfortunately according to Realgm.com's trade checker (I've already tried this) it would take (or it did for me) about the whole roster outside of Baron Davis to make it work (including both Monta and AB).
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Clif25 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Size beats speed when the team with speed is putting up bricks like the Warriors were, the refs are calling a foul on each or at least everyother possession, and you get owned on the glass. I suppose size beats speed in the playoffs, though not if you are Yao Ming. You need the blend of size, athleticism, and mobility. That is why Ben Wallace and his team beats out Shaq's teams, possibly in the playoffs.

    The problem with Baron are his legs. He played off the ball and wanted to do too many isos when he had the ball I thought. I wish I had watched the end of the regular season when I saw the box scores flash with huge assist numbers. I didn't see any type of that basketball at all in the playoffs. The only assists, or most of them were to Andris Biedrins off penetration for easy dunks, or on the penetration and kick outs for outside shots. Otherwise the Jazz easily out-executed the Warriors. The Jazz would camp under the hoop, especially when the shot was going up (most of the time about 2 second before the shot went up which made it seem as if they were in the key all the time). Then, yeah basically the warriors got owned on the glass in the first half. This led Nelson to abandon the small-ball in the second half which led to Monta Ellis being non-existant in the second half after a solid first half, especially first quarter (Ellis is completely invisible on the glass amongst other players, which is probably why Nelson didn't play him more).

    I would like Kevin Garnett as well. I wonder if the TWolves cherish Monta Ellis. If they want to build for the future with Randy Foye, maybe they'd like Monta Ellis as well. Obviously the contracts don't fit, but maybe something like JRich or Harrington, Ellis, POB, and Foyle and second round pick(s) can do it (yeah I am starting off very low here, maybe high would be JRich, Harrington, and Ellis but that takes more second guessing which I don't want to think about now). Actually talking about Pierce and KG, I was thinking that it would be awesome to see KG, Pierce, and the Boss on the same team. Unfortunately according to Realgm.com's trade checker (I've already tried this) it would take (or it did for me) about the whole roster outside of Baron Davis to make it work (including both Monta and AB).</div>

    Balance with at least two dominant players is what we need. And you're absolutely right about the mix of attributes so we can match tempos and adjust. We definitely couldn't adjust when those shots weren't falling. We couldn't go bigger or find something closer in... we couldn't even make free throws in the 4th on more than one occasion.

    Pierce, KG + Baron on the same team would badass but I'm not sure how we could find the necessary bench to keep them from having to play 48 minutes a game in the post season. Oh man, but it would be my dream come true to see that.

    You know, I don't think the Pacers even have a draft pick this year.
    How about we draft Josh McRoberts, trade him to Indiana and jack them for Jermaine O'neil [​IMG] It'd be like robbing the bank tellers, and then coming back a few months later for the bank vault at the very same bank where we robbed the tellers! Oh man, fat chance that will ever happen, but you never know ha ha.

    But actually, I wouldn't mind if we kept Josh McRoberts. What if he turns out to be pretty good in the running game and he actually rebounds bigger than AH? Plus, having the scoring coming from either hand and the passing helps. But free throws man... argg.... Actually, I changed my mind about him. Echh... Rather go with a 6'6 guard that could slip or that german brazillian Tiago Splitter.
     
  15. bbwSwish

    bbwSwish Harder. Better. Faster. Stronger.

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But actually, I wouldn't mind if we kept Josh McRoberts. What if he turns out to be pretty good in the running game and he actually rebounds bigger than AH? Plus, having the scoring coming from either hand and the passing helps. But free throws man... argg.... Actually, I changed my mind about him. Echh... Rather go with a 6'6 guard that could slip or that german brazillian Tiago Splitter.</div>

    I cracked up at this. Yeah we should keep McRoberts, he could be pretty good, but he can't make free throws, alright I changed my mind, let's draft a guard. Or Tiago Splitter. Haha, you were like all over the place dude. [​IMG]

    A lineup with Baron Davis, Paul Pierce, and Kevin Garnett would be simply amazing but let's be realistic, that's never going to happen. Something tells me that the Warriors won't land any of these big names on the market (such as KG, JO, or Pierce) because those guys will either stay with their current teams or get traded somewhere like Los Angeles or Chicago (who would give basically anything to pair Kobe up with another star). While I hope a star gets moved to Golden State, I just can't see it happening.
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Swish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I cracked up at this. Yeah we should keep McRoberts, he could be pretty good, but he can't make free throws, alright I changed my mind, let's draft a guard. Or Tiago Splitter. Haha, you were like all over the place dude. [​IMG]

    A lineup with Baron Davis, Paul Pierce, and Kevin Garnett would be simply amazing but let's be realistic, that's never going to happen. Something tells me that the Warriors won't land any of these big names on the market (such as KG, JO, or Pierce) because those guys will either stay with their current teams or get traded somewhere like Los Angeles or Chicago (who would give basically anything to pair Kobe up with another star). While I hope a star gets moved to Golden State, I just can't see it happening.</div>

    Ha ha, yeah man I'm always like this. One idea leads to another. And I know Tiago Splitter can't hit worth crap from the line too, but he's bigger and he's a good defensive guy. Josh McRoberts... okay he's intriguing.. but I don't want no underachieving Duke potential bust no matter if he's pretty athletic. He plays kind of small and doesn't seem versatile.

    I so wish for a star player, but I guess we gotta find some by other means or make some. If we get Thadeus Young, I'll be happy. Sure, he doesn't fit a position, but let's take a chance on a McDonald's MVP. The other late first rounders, I'm not sure what the upside is.
     

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