I'm sorry, but I had to create this thread in the NBA section. The team forums for both the Spurs and the Suns are dead (to say the least), and I'm sure every true NBA fan finds this to be the most exciting series out of the 4 that are being played, so why not discuss it? After seeing Horry's hip check on Nash (totally uncalled for), I am convinced that the Spurs are actually starting to believe Amare's words that they are "dirty". While I don't hold Duncan as part of that; players like Bowen, Elson and to some extent Manu tend to piss me off, especially during this series. I hope the league doesn't suspend Amare and Diaw. If they do, it almost guarantees a Spurs/Pistons Finals matchup that no one except Pistons and Spurs fans want to see, although that may sound ignorant.
<div class="quote_poster">Detroit Madness Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I say Nash needs to pick his skirt up.</div> Yeah, but if that happened to your boy Chauncey, you'd be pissed too. What did Nash do to make you say that anyway?
<div class="quote_poster">Bobcats Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, but if that happened to your boy Chauncey, you'd be pissed too. What did Nash do anyway?</div> If I was Steve Nash I'd be furious about what Bowen did but come on he had to of exaggerated Horrys check.
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm sorry, but I had to create this thread in the NBA section. The team forums for both the Spurs and the Suns are dead (to say the least), and I'm sure every true NBA fan finds this to be the most exciting series out of the 4 that are being played, so why not discuss it? After seeing Horry's hip check on Nash (totally uncalled for), I am convinced that the Spurs are actually starting to believe Amare's words that they are "dirty". While I don't hold Duncan as part of that; players like Bowen, Elson and to some extent Manu tend to piss me off, especially during this series. I hope the league doesn't suspend Amare and Diaw. If they do, it almost guarantees a Spurs/Pistons Finals matchup that no one except Pistons and Spurs fans want to see, although that may sound ignorant.</div> I would hope that they don't suspend them. But how can they not? The rules are clear... There are only two outs for Pheonix at this point. 1. The rule states that none of the bench players can leave the bench and come on the court during an "altercation". So, depending on what the league deems an altercation, Amare and Diaw may not have been violation of the rule. 2. There was a similar tie up between Elson and Jones in the first or second game (I forget). Duncan walked out onto the court during that altercation and Bowen walked out after him and pulled him back. If Amare and Diaw get suspended, shouldn't Duncan and Bowen also get suspended for leaving the bench during the Jones/Elson altercation?
no one should be suspended...horry knocked the grandmaster, but steve did a nice acting job....amare and diaw did leave the bench, but they didn't do anything....let the players decide the game by letting them all play in game 5.
<div class="quote_poster">Detroit Madness Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If I was Steve Nash I'd be furious about what Bowen did but come on he had to of exaggerated Horrys check.</div> He may have exaggerated the fall a little... but Horry hit Nash pretty hard.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">. There was a similar tie up between Elson and Jones in the first or second game (I forget). Duncan walked out onto the court during that altercation and Bowen walked out after him and pulled him back. If Amare and Diaw get suspended, shouldn't Duncan and Bowen also get suspended for leaving the bench during the Jones/Elson altercation?</div> yes, which is why the rule is stupid...no fighting = no harm....the NBA is caught up in their image too much nowadays....
<div class="quote_poster">Detroit Madness Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">but come on he had to of exaggerated Horrys check.</div> Robert Horry is 6-10, 240 pounds. Steve Nash is 6-3, 195, I don't think he had to exaggerate.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">no one should be suspended...horry knocked the grandmaster, but steve did a nice acting job....amare and diaw did leave the bench, but they didn't do anything....let the players decide the game by letting them all play in game 5.</div> The rule is meant to keep bodies off the court. The rule is a hard line rule and does not only come into effect if a player does something. Other players have been suspended before for just stepping on the court.
Something tells me that the NBA won't suspend two of Phoenix's key players in a game that's sure to have high ratings.
The Suns also showed video of Duncan and Bowen leaving the bench the 2nd Quarter when James Jones and Elson were getting into it. This should be a very interesting ruling by David Stern and Stu Jackson. It's hard to imagine they suspend ALL 4 guys, eventhough all 4 broke the rules. It's a shame the series with the two top teams left in the NBA is being surrounded by all this drama and not the actual play on the court. Both teams have played a high level of basketball in the series.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think he had to exaggerate.</div> Horry hit him hard, but Steve did exaggerate it a tad bit....Horry ain't that damn strong, lol
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The Suns also showed video of Duncan and Bowen leaving the bench the 2nd Quarter when James Jones and Elson were getting into it. This should be a very interesting ruling by David Stern and Stu Jackson. It's hard to imagine they suspend ALL 4 guys, eventhough all 4 broke the rules. It's a shame the series with the two top teams left in the NBA is being surrounded by all this drama and not the actual play on the court. Both teams have played a high level of basketball in the series.</div> It is going to be an interesting decision. My bet is that they won't suspend anyone (but Horry) and the justification will be that an "altercation" did not occur so the suspension ruling did not have to be enforced in either case. Or thats the type of spin they will put on it I think. Have here been any cases where someone has been suspended for leaving the bench in a non-fight situation?
<div class="quote_poster">Fiyah Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It is going to be an interesting decision. My bet is that they won't suspend anyone (but Horry) and the justification will be that an "altercation" did not occur so the suspension ruling did not have to be enforced in either case. Or thats the type of spin they will put on it I think. Have here been any cases where someone has been suspended for leaving the bench in a non-fight situation?</div> Here was one, but this was a fight situation, with Shaq leaving the bench when Rick Fox and Doug Christie had their infamous hallway fight. Here was how the rule was interpreted .. <font size=""3"">"In this circumstance, our judgment was that the players who left the bench were attempting to break up the fight and did not escalate the altercation.'' - Stu Jackson</font> Source: ESPN Sounds like they could use the same interpretation here and not suspend any players who left the bench.
Its funny because if stephen jackson were to get off the bench in an altercation involving his teammates, it would be an automatic suspension for him. NBA needs to stop being bias. If they are gonna suspend someone for something, then they must do it to ALL who break the rule. Patrick Ewing did this one time in the playoffs a while back, where he stepped into the court, but it was no where near the fight, and he still got suspended. If the NBA is the least bit fair, they should all be suspended. It's not the best thing to do, but they put this situation on themselves with all these BS rules and calls.
Stoudemire/Diaw suspended for 1 game, Horry suspended for 2. link Huge blow for the Suns. This could very well decide the series.
^ the suspensions honestly suck, and they're made worse by the fact that Duncan wasn't suspended for coming off the bench in the 2nd quarter. To lose Stoudamire when Duncan did virtually the same thing is a screw by the league on Phoenix. The only guy who should've been suspended is Horry, and maybe Raja Bell, just because he reminds me of Darcy Tucker out there - and he was about the only one who looked ready and willing to fight after Horry's hip-check.
Congrats. I no longer give a **** about the playoffs. Thanks Stern, you ham-fisted, short-sighted troll. Horry's token suspension is more insulting than anything, it's not convincing anybody that the league clearly supports the Spurs and their thug play style. Money changed hands, you can count on it.
