<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The suspensions were definetly unfair IMO. Amare Stoudimire and Boris Diaw got suspended for stepping onto the court in an altercation. First of all, I've got to say that rule is extremely stupid, because when something goes down, you're instinct will automatically tell you to step onto the court to back up your teammates. It's not like Amare or Boris tried to start something, they were merely trying to play peacemaker. Tim Duncan stepped onto the court after a brief altercation between Elson and Jones. Why wasn't he suspended? I was just watching ESPN, and they said a reason may be because Duncan was trying to make sure Elson was not hurt. The same could be said about Amare and Boris. Maybe they were just trying to make sure Nash wasn't hurt? Like scorbutic said in the Sun's forum, this is why the NBA will never be on the same level as the NFL. The guys that run the league seem to be doing things for their own amusement, there is absolutely no consistency with this league what-so-ever. Kobe got suspended 2 games for hitting someone in the face, and it wasn't even proven to be intentional. But Bruce Bowen can intentionally try to injure an opposing player time and time again, and get away with absolutely nothing. That's ridiculous. You're hearing this from a Laker fan btw, so there is no bias what-so-ever.</div> It absolute poppy cock! They somehow read Duncan's mind to determine his intentions and then read Amre's mind and determined he was about to go buck wild...
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The suspensions were definetly unfair IMO. Amare Stoudimire and Boris Diaw got suspended for stepping onto the court in an altercation. First of all, I've got to say that rule is extremely stupid, because when something goes down, you're instinct will automatically tell you to step onto the court to back up your teammates. It's not like Amare or Boris tried to start something, they were merely trying to play peacemaker. Tim Duncan stepped onto the court after a brief altercation between Elson and Jones. Why wasn't he suspended? I was just watching ESPN, and they said a reason may be because Duncan was trying to make sure Elson was not hurt. The same could be said about Amare and Boris. Maybe they were just trying to make sure Nash wasn't hurt? </div> Elson was fine, he didn't hit the floor, Duncan saw the jones "undercut" elson or whatever, and was ready to walk on the floor if elson and jones got into it. And im going out on a limb here and speaking for everyone, Amare and Diaw weren't going to see nash was ok, hes a trooper, he was fine, they went onto the floor to say a few words, and to make themselfs, heard and seen. They know nash is tough, they cared but that wasnt their intent. So no nash was ok BS, please Im with elevate, he was right. Amare, in this seiris has no intent on playing peacemaker. He's angry, any chance he has, he wants to go after the spurs. Peacmaker, com'on. Coming Amare called them dirty, he isn't a peace maker. Maybe Diaw, he isnt to uppaty, but amare, didnt want to take any crap from the spurs, espacially if it invloved nash.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It absolute poppy cock! They somehow read Duncan's mind to determine his intentions and then read Amre's mind and determined he was about to go buck wild...</div> Look at the video, Amare had to be restrained by coaches because he was half way passed the scorer's table. I don't think Diaw should've been suspended, he turned around after he saw the situation and kept calm. Amare looked as if he was charging the floor.
<div class="quote_poster">Ford_11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Elson was fine, he didn't hit the floor, Duncan saw the jones "undercut" elson or whatever, and was ready to walk on the floor if elson and jones got into it. And im going out on a limb here and speaking for everyone, Amare and Diaw weren't going to see nash was ok, hes a trooper, he was fine, they went onto the floor to say a few words, and to make themselfs, heard and seen. They know nash is tough, they cared but that wasnt their intent. So no nash was ok BS, please Im with elevate, he was right. Amare, in this seiris has no intent on playing peacemaker. He's angry, any chance he has, he wants to go after the spurs. Peacmaker, com'on. Coming Amare called them dirty, he isn't a peace maker. Maybe Diaw, he isnt to uppaty, but amare, didnt want to take any crap from the spurs, espacially if it invloved nash.</div> Ok. Lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say that your read on both situations is right. The NBA still set a precedent on suspending players who stepped on the floor and were not even looking to get involved... such as Ewing all the way over at half court who was just trying to get a better look at the fracas. He was still suspended. Your justification for this is severely flawed.
<div class="quote_poster">Playmaker15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Look at the video, Amare had to be restrained by coaches because he was half way passed the scorer's table. I don't think Diaw should've been suspended, he turned around after he saw the situation and kept calm. Amare looked as if he was charging the floor.</div> Amare wasn't restrained... They couldn't restrain Amare with a ball and chain... Amare went back because they probably told him "Amare get back before you get suspended".
<div class="quote_poster">Fiyah Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ok. Lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say that your read on both situations is right. The NBA still set a precedent on suspending players who stepped on the floor and were not even looking to get involved... such as Ewing all the way over at half court who was just trying to get a better look at the fracas. He was still suspended. Your justification for this is severely flawed.</div> In the past, the NBA hasn't inforced it when they believe the players left the bench to sotp the fight. I remember hearing it today on ESPN. I agree with Ford_11 on this one though. Duncan didn't run on the floor , he simply stood up, took a few steps and didn't look to start anything. Amare deserved what he got, not Diaw though. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Amare wasn't restrained... They couldn't restrain Amare with a ball and chain... Amare went back because they probably told him "Amare get back before you get suspended". </div> Again, look at the video and I doubt Amare would've run over two of his assistant coaches. He even swung his arms over them to get by.
<div class="quote_poster">Playmaker15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Look at the video, Amare had to be restrained by coaches because he was half way passed the scorer's table. I don't think Diaw should've been suspended, he turned around after he saw the situation and kept calm. Amare looked as if he was charging the floor.</div> I guess peacemaker was a bad word to use, but you still can't detirmine whether or not Amare was going to start something, or if he was just trying to get to his teammates to stop the altercation. Again, there's just too much grey area IMO. You can't really prove what Amare was going to do. But, on the other hand, Bruce Bowen sticks his feet underneath the shooter and tries to injure them again and again. How long has he gotten suspended? Wait, better question would be, when was he ever suspended? Also, Robert Horry got suspended 2 games for the hit on Steve Nash. Raja Bell was suspended 1 game last season for clothelining Kobe Bryant. I fail to see how Horry's hit was any worse than Bell's clotheline last season, especially since it seemed like Nash exageratted the fall quite a bit
<div class="quote_poster">Fiyah Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ok. Lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say that your read on both situations is right. The NBA still set a precedent on suspending players who stepped on the floor and were not even looking to get involved... such as Ewing all the way over at half court who was just trying to get a better look at the fracas. He was still suspended. Your justification for this is severely flawed.</div> The NBA is run on guys who act before they think. To them it looked like Duncan was doing nothing, but I'm pretty sure, if they took another look, they would see what his intent was. You know if elson went to the deck and got into jones's face. Marion would of stepped in and Duncan would of got into marions and jone's face. So no, my justifiaction isn't flawed, it's what would of happend. But it dosn't matter what he was going to do, it matters he did it. Duncan did IT, he stepped on the floor, incase of something happing. he got of hit a jay from where he was. He was ready for something. You see the key word ready. He should of got a fine or something. and even if amare stepped in, why can't you back your team. Duncan would of done it, and amare did it. I bet if it was the other way around, Duncan would of got suspended and so would of amare. And the suspension for Diaw was stupid, but he shouldn of went with amare, amare can handle it. and so if the whole suns tema stepped on the floor, they would of suspended them all, no, they would look for players like amare who said stuff in the media, and suspended him. So, in the end, both should of got suspended, if Amare was, so should of Duncan.
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I guess peacemaker was a bad word to use, but you still can't detirmine whether or not Amare was going to start something, or if he was just trying to get to his teammates to stop the altercation. Again, there's just too much grey area IMO. You can't really prove what Amare was going to do. But, on the other hand, Bruce Bowen sticks his feet underneath the shooter and tries to injure them again and again. How long has he gotten suspended? Wait, better question would be, when was he ever suspended? Also, Robert Horry got suspended 2 games for the hit on Steve Nash. Raja Bell was suspended 1 game last season for clothelining Kobe Bryant. I fail to see how Horry's hit was any worse than Bell's clotheline last season, especially since it seemed like Nash exageratted the fall quite a bit</div> Well Amare started running on the floor and escalated the situation. Also, I think Bowen needs to get a special eye from the NBA. He gets away with WAY too much stuff that has been proven as intentional. I agree about Horry's hit being less than Bell's. Raja fricken clotheslined Kobe and only got one. I think Horry should've gotten one game as well. That said, the suspensions were fair.
I think Barkley summed it up perfectly. "Spurs are getting rewarded for their wrongs." Although I do believe Nash could of won a oscar I also firmly believe that it is another horrible rule that the league needs to look into. Outcomes of series should not be determined by suspension. There goes the WCF down the drain.
Once again the San Antonio Sterns get the preferential treatment. This was a ridiculous decision by the NBA. I've watched both incidents 5 times now. Here's how I would rule it. Horry 2 game suspension for starting the whole thing Amare 1 game suspension for leaving the bench towards the direction of the pushing and shoving. He actually got pretty far off the bench Duncan 1 game suspension for leaving the bench after the Elson incident. He also was clearly on the court for no reason other than to get involved if that situation escalated. I would not suspend Bowen (for this anyways) nor would I suspend Diaw. Bowen simply got up and pulled Duncan back to his seat, probably realizing Duncan was putting himself in a position to be suspended for the next game. I think Diaw jumping off the bench was a natural reaction to get a closer look at what happened to Nash. After he saw Nash wasn't seriously hurt he turned around and sat down.
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Also, Robert Horry got suspended 2 games for the hit on Steve Nash. Raja Bell was suspended 1 game last season for clothelining Kobe Bryant. I fail to see how Horry's hit was any worse than Bell's clotheline last season, especially since it seemed like Nash exageratted the fall quite a bit</div> Don't forget, Horry also elbowed Bell in the throat. It's sad, this was the only competitive series in the second round.
<div class="quote_poster">Detroit Madness Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think Barkley summed it up perfectly. "Spurs are getting rewarded for their wrongs." Although I do believe Nash could of won a oscar I also firmly believe that it is another horrible rule that the league needs to look into. Outcomes of series should not be determined by suspension. There goes the WCF down the drain.</div> See This is where I agree with you. Why suspend, why. It only makes for more drama I think, in the next game. If this where regular season, there would of been no suspensions, no nothing. Because not one punch was thrown, yet in the playoffs, you walk on the court, your gone, but if your Duncan, its ok, you where only 18 feet form the baslet, ready to help Elson incase of an emergency.
<div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I guess peacemaker was a bad word to use, but you still can't detirmine whether or not Amare was going to start something, or if he was just trying to get to his teammates to stop the altercation. Again, there's just too much grey area IMO. You can't really prove what Amare was going to do. But, on the other hand, Bruce Bowen sticks his feet underneath the shooter and tries to injure them again and again. How long has he gotten suspended? Wait, better question would be, when was he ever suspended? Also, Robert Horry got suspended 2 games for the hit on Steve Nash. Raja Bell was suspended 1 game last season for clothelining Kobe Bryant. I fail to see how Horry's hit was any worse than Bell's clotheline last season, especially since it seemed like Nash exageratted the fall quite a bit</div> The difference between Duncan on the floor vs. Amare/Diaw on the floor is that Duncan walked 2 steps onto the floor but there was no altercation. There was potential for an altercation, but nothing actually happened. Amare on the other hand charged onto the floor, tried to get around asst. coaches, no way in hell was he just going to see if Nash was okay or going to check into the game or something. You can't prove it officially but anyone with common sense and a lack of bias can see he was going to get into the confrontation. Duncan also stayed "in the bench area" which is what the rule specifically states while Amare was already down to where Nash fell by the time he got pulled back. Also, Horry got suspended one game for the hit on Nash and another game for elbowing Raja Bell when Bell got in his face. Thats according to the TNT guys who got it from league officials. In my opinion the suspensions and fines have been consistent. They may be excessive in some cases but they're consistent for everyone from what I've seen.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The difference between Duncan on the floor vs. Amare/Diaw on the floor is that Duncan walked 2 steps onto the floor but there was no altercation. There was potential for an altercation, but nothing actually happened. Amare on the other hand charged onto the floor, tried to get around asst. coaches, no way in hell was he just going to see if Nash was okay or going to check into the game or something. You can't prove it officially but anyone with common sense and a lack of bias can see he was going to get into the confrontation. Duncan also stayed "in the bench area" which is what the rule specifically states while Amare was already down to where Nash fell by the time he got pulled back. </div> That basically sums it up right there.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You can't prove it officially but anyone with common sense and a lack of bias can see he was going to get into the confrontation. Duncan also stayed "in the bench area" which is what the rule specifically states while Amare was already down to where Nash fell by the time he got pulled back. </div> How can the NBA determine that Amare was going to start something and Duncan not? That is just basing it on prior reputations, plain and simple. You think Diaw was going to start something? Yet he was still suspended. Amare was near Nash because the incident occurred near the Suns bench.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The difference between Duncan on the floor vs. Amare/Diaw on the floor is that Duncan walked 2 steps onto the floor but there was no altercation. There was potential for an altercation, but nothing actually happened. Amare on the other hand charged onto the floor, tried to get around asst. coaches, no way in hell was he just going to see if Nash was okay or going to check into the game or something. You can't prove it officially but anyone with common sense and a lack of bias can see he was going to get into the confrontation. Duncan also stayed "in the bench area" which is what the rule specifically states while Amare was already down to where Nash fell by the time he got pulled back. Also, Horry got suspended one game for the hit on Nash and another game for elbowing Raja Bell when Bell got in his face. Thats according to the TNT guys who got it from league officials. In my opinion the suspensions and fines have been consistent. They may be excessive in some cases but they're consistent for everyone from what I've seen.</div> I agree with most of what you said except for justifying Duncan being on the floor. He was not "in the bench area" as you referred to it. Since when does the bench area include the inside of the 3point line? Whether there was an altercation or not is also up for debate. I'd argue there was an altercation between Jones and Elson. Why else would Duncan get off the bench and walk onto the court? Something got his attention to wander out there and be reeled back in by Bowen.
<div class="quote_poster">Eclipse Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How can the NBA determine that Amare was going to start something and Duncan not? That is just basing it on prior reputations, plain and simple. You think Diaw was going to start something? Yet he was still suspended.</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with most of what you said except for justifying Duncan being on the floor. He was not "in the bench area" as you referred to it. Since when does the bench area include the inside of the 3point line? </div> Its irrelevant because there was no altercation. Therefore Duncan can go a few steps on the floor if he wanted to, players do it all the time when they celebrate. As long as theres no altercation, which there wasn't, hes fine.
Its too bad that Stern has almost single-handedly destroyed the integrity and reputation of this league. I don't even know whether I'm going to watch the rest of this playoffs.
