http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AuDk...=yhoo&type=lgns...This article pisses me off. It totally ignores the fact that the Suns have been getting away with stuff all series. Their only method of playing defense is to push off and hang off of the Spurs' jerseys (I'm looking at YOU, Kurt Thomas, Steve Nash). The only way to combat that sort of cheating defense is to clear some space with a few elbows and knees. Horry certainly crossed a line, but I believe he's a smart enough player to know exactly what he was doing. He wanted to send a message to the Suns to back to off and play some real defense, and he was willing to sacrifice himself being suspended to do it. Anyone heard a statement from Horry since the incident? The Spurs need to just show up and play hard. Win the next two games, with and without the Suns roster, and shut the haters up
<div class="quote_poster">TimmyDMVP Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AuDk...=yhoo&type=lgns...This article pisses me off. It totally ignores the fact that the Suns have been getting away with stuff all series. Their only method of playing defense is to push off and hang off of the Spurs' jerseys (I'm looking at YOU, Kurt Thomas, Steve Nash). The only way to combat that sort of cheating defense is to clear some space with a few elbows and knees. Horry certainly crossed a line, but I believe he's a smart enough player to know exactly what he was doing. He wanted to send a message to the Suns to back to off and play some real defense, and he was willing to sacrifice himself being suspended to do it. Anyone heard a statement from Horry since the incident? The Spurs need to just show up and play hard. Win the next two games, with and without the Suns roster, and shut the haters up</div> If anyone should be upset it should be Spur fans. This controversy just taints their team and most NBA fans won't have any respect if they end up winning the NBA title. There just won't be many people paying attention to the NBA Finals if the Spurs make it. I'm sure you're tired of all the conspiracy theories about the league supporting the Spurs and the Spurs being David Stern's model for every team in the league to follow. These biased rulings in favor of the Spurs just lend to those theories and people "hating" on your team. Instead of respecting the efficiency of the Spurs, people are talking about how dirty and whiney they are. It's one event after another. Tim Duncan sarcastically claps and the league suspends Joey Crawford. Baron Davis and SJax sarcastically claps and they get fined and ejected. What was the difference? Why didn't the official who ejected them get suspended instead? Tim Duncan wanders onto the floor after Elson and Jones jaw at one another, no suspension. Boris Diaw wanders even less feet away from the bench than Duncan, realizes it and returns to the bench, but he gets suspended. Again, what's the difference? Do you really take pride in beating Phoenix now? Shouldn't you want to beat the Suns when they have their best players against your best players? The NBA might have cost the Suns the series, but they also cost the Spurs any dignity around the league outside of their own fan base.
Shapecity, I think that's an excellent point. Who'll believe the Spurs really earned anything from this series on? At least phoenix can say we gave the spurs fits despite all the bias the other way. Either way I expect aluminum foil sales to continue to sky-rocket.
don't matter true fans know rings are rings. and thats what matters the critics don't know anything half the time. seeing how everybody picked dallas to win it all. lol
<div class="quote_poster">worldchamps9903 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">don't matter true fans know rings are rings. and thats what matters the critics don't know anything half the time. seeing how everybody picked dallas to win it all. lol</div> I would disagree with this statement. True fans remember all the little aspects of a series. Fairweather bandwagon fans would only concern themselves with the rings. (Not accusing you of being one.) You wouldn't find it more gratifying to beat the Suns when they are at full strength?
The suns had the game won last night without stoudemire and diaw, they led the whole game in blew it in the end.
<div class="quote_poster">TimmyDMVP Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The suns had the game won last night without stoudemire and diaw, they led the whole game in blew it in the end.</div> playing 6 players all game because 2 of your best are suspended might of helped that a little. Don't you think? get your head out of the sand
<div class="quote_poster">02civic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">playing 6 players all game because 2 of your best are suspended might of helped that a little. Don't you think? get your head out of the sand</div> The Spurs aren't much more talented than the Suns even without Amare (and Game Five was in PHX). The Spurs got screwed last year didn't they? So did the Mavs in the Finals but I didn't hear as much of an uproar over that.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The Spurs aren't much more talented than the Suns even without Amare (and Game Five was in PHX). The Spurs got screwed last year didn't they? So did the Mavs in the Finals but I didn't hear as much of an uproar over that.</div> THANK YOU!!! If the suns dont have a bench to rely on is that the spurs' fault?
^The suspensions are the reason their bench was short. But still, I'm a bit reluctant to yield in sympathy to the Suns, especially being up 16. The Suns also had every opportunity in the world to capitalize in the 4th after those Spur (Ginobili) turnovers. If the Suns lose, this will be the 3rd straight 'disappointing' year for them, which might indicate a major shakeup coming.
<div class="quote_poster">TimmyDMVP Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AuDk...=yhoo&type=lgns...This article pisses me off. It totally ignores the fact that the Suns have been getting away with stuff all series. Their only method of playing defense is to push off and hang off of the Spurs' jerseys (I'm looking at YOU, Kurt Thomas, Steve Nash). The only way to combat that sort of cheating defense is to clear some space with a few elbows and knees. Horry certainly crossed a line, but I believe he's a smart enough player to know exactly what he was doing. He wanted to send a message to the Suns to back to off and play some real defense, and he was willing to sacrifice himself being suspended to do it. Anyone heard a statement from Horry since the incident? The Spurs need to just show up and play hard. Win the next two games, with and without the Suns roster, and shut the haters up</div> That article states everything that is true about the spurs. Um, do you know how stupid that sounds. If that's is how you think you should send a message, you are mistaken. This is basketball, a rough sport, yes, but not one where to send a message you send an opposing player into the scorers table. This isn't hockey, where you can lay a check to send a message. If he wanted to send a messgae to play some clean D..if you can even argue clean D, then your hit key baskets, make nice plays, and so on. You don't blatenly check someone into a table to suspend yourself to say to your team "hey, look, i hit another player, rally around that. Thats just stupidity. I think, horry should of got more games, but thats my opinon. So you idea if sending a message, is IMO a very bad way to do it. I would think Horry would have more class then that, but I guess I was wrong. There are haters becuase of the dirty plays the spurs do. I'm not gunna call them a dirty team, but what they have done over the years, is almost like a downfall for the league. To be known as the team who gets away with everything, is not a title I would want. Hey, if the spurs make the finals, ill watch, but I hope they get sweept, becuase of how they played to get there.
<div class="quote_poster">Ford_11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That article states everything that is true about the spurs. Um, do you know how stupid that sounds. If that's is how you think you should send a message, you are mistaken. This is basketball, a rough sport, yes, but not one where to send a message you send an opposing player into the scorers table. This isn't hockey, where you can lay a check to send a message. If he wanted to send a messgae to play some clean D..if you can even argue clean D, then your hit key baskets, make nice plays, and so on. You don't blatenly check someone into a table to suspend yourself to say to your team "hey, look, i hit another player, rally around that. Thats just stupidity. I think, horry should of got more games, but thats my opinon. So you idea if sending a message, is IMO a very bad way to do it. I would think Horry would have more class then that, but I guess I was wrong. There are haters becuase of the dirty plays the spurs do. I'm not gunna call them a dirty team, but what they have done over the years, is almost like a downfall for the league. To be known as the team who gets away with everything, is not a title I would want. Hey, if the spurs make the finals, ill watch, but I hope they get sweept, becuase of how they played to get there.</div> Maybe this series is dubious in general, but why are you bringing into question their other Championship runs? Don't get carried away.
<div class="quote_poster">Ford_11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That article states everything that is true about the spurs. Um, do you know how stupid that sounds. If that's is how you think you should send a message, you are mistaken. This is basketball, a rough sport, yes, but not one where to send a message you send an opposing player into the scorers table. This isn't hockey, where you can lay a check to send a message. If he wanted to send a messgae to play some clean D..if you can even argue clean D, then your hit key baskets, make nice plays, and so on. You don't blatenly check someone into a table to suspend yourself to say to your team "hey, look, i hit another player, rally around that. Thats just stupidity. I think, horry should of got more games, but thats my opinon. So you idea if sending a message, is IMO a very bad way to do it. I would think Horry would have more class then that, but I guess I was wrong. There are haters becuase of the dirty plays the spurs do. I'm not gunna call them a dirty team, but what they have done over the years, is almost like a downfall for the league. To be known as the team who gets away with everything, is not a title I would want. Hey, if the spurs make the finals, ill watch, but I hope they get sweept, becuase of how they played to get there.</div> Where was all this talk last year when Bell clothes-lined Kobe in game 5? That seemed to work for the Suns just fine and without any negative labels. And the team the gets away with everything? The Lakers got a bogus 3 pointer at halftime in one of the Sac games in 2002 and beat them by a point in that game among other things but hardly anybody pointed that out or questions the validity of that year's title. Give me a break with all this "the spurs are the new league villains" crap.
<div class="quote_poster">MUman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Where was all this talk last year when Bell clothes-lined Kobe in game 5? That seemed to work for the Suns just fine and without any negative labels. And the team the gets away with everything? The Lakers got a bogus 3 pointer at halftime to beat Sac in 2002 among other things but hardly anybody pointed that out or questions the validity of that year's title. Give me a break with all this "the spurs are the new league villains" crap.</div> The Lakers also received a lot of b.s. fouls in their favor in the Kings series. I'm not proud of that title as a Laker fan. Believe me King fans were very upset and still bring it up all the time. It's a tainted title, I don't like it, and that's my point about San Antonio this year. Their fans should be pissed the most from this decision because fans are going to remember the suspension and not the Spurs accomplishments. Even though San Antonio might have won the series anyways, there's still going to be doubts about them if they go on to win the title. Same goes for Miami last year. The Finals last year turned into a Dwayne Wade free throw shooting contest.
well shapecity since your so reluctant on bringing up past title runs, how about bringing up last years where dirk got two shots within the closing seconds cause he stepped on duncans foot. point is get over it the suns won't get far and won't get past the spurs. seriously get over it and go back to making posts about the lakers off season. bottom line is stuff happens and the spurs are the better team this year. i swear some times people just can't let it go.
also you point out how last years finals turned into a shooting contest. funny you should criticize calls. didn't the suns win game 4 because of a 29 15 free throw advantage? yes you can say the spurs choked or what ever to try and provea point but did you watch the game or just the highlights of the hard foul horry did? if duncan didn't get those cheap touch fouls on nash he would have been there to play defense and the spurs wouldn't have let phoenix score so easy. point is the spurs aren't the ones crying about calls not going their way or what ever excuse phoenix needs to prove they could have made it. isn't this thier third chance of trying to get to the finals? people act like this is something new to the suns franchise. they try to find any excuse to cover up the fact that a run and gun offense doesn't win championships. DEFENSE DOES.
<div class="quote_poster">worldchamps9903 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">well shapecity since your so reluctant on bringing up past title runs, how about bringing up last years where dirk got two shots within the closing seconds cause he stepped on duncans foot. point is get over it the suns won't get far and won't get past the spurs. seriously get over it and go back to making posts about the lakers off season. bottom line is stuff happens and the spurs are the better team this year. i swear some times people just can't let it go.</div> Poetic justice on your part. You call me out for bringing up past title runs, but you're quick to comment on the Spurs-Mavs series last year. You're proving my point, you still remember those exact plays, and you still seem upset about it. The difference between you and I, I call it both ways. I want consistency and I want to see the best players available out there competing. These officials have far too, much influence on the outcome of games, and it's frustrating to watch as a fan isn't it? Spurs cry about calls just as much as others. Duncan, Bowen, Pop, they all get upset about calls and plead to the officials. Wasn't the goal of David Stern coming into this season to crack down on players jumping up and down while complaining a call made by an official. Tim Duncan jumps up and down all the time? Maybe he has a right to complain on some calls, but others he's in the wrong. The fact we're talking about unjustice in the officiating is exactly what I'm ranting about. The fact the Suns will have a legitimate gripe after the series is over with is a problem widespread across the NBA. I agree defense does win titles. If you look at the teams remaining and leading their series, they all share two things in common, defense and fundamentals (rebounding, limiting turnovers, halfcourt execution.) Utah, San Antonio, Detroit, and Cleveland (Mike Brown is a disciple of the Spurs and has used the Spurs blueprint with the Cavs). The only team with an emphasis on offense left is Phoenix.
<div class="quote_poster">MUman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Where was all this talk last year when Bell clothes-lined Kobe in game 5? That seemed to work for the Suns just fine and without any negative labels. And the team the gets away with everything? The Lakers got a bogus 3 pointer at halftime in one of the Sac games in 2002 and beat them by a point in that game among other things but hardly anybody pointed that out or questions the validity of that year's title. Give me a break with all this "the spurs are the new league villains" crap.</div> Becuase bell isn't a constent dirty player. He was angry, but i know that dosn't make up for it. And shapecity is right, it was abit tantied, he admits it, why can't sours fan admit they get alot of calls, and are have done some dirty things. And i dunno who called the spurs league villains, i sure didn't. All i said was, they get off with some calls, that shouldn't be going their way.
