Shawn Marion. There's speculation that with his max contract he's gone from Phoenix. Well he's perfect for the W's; a good defender, excellent rebounder and very quick. He's got a nice outside shot, I don't know why the Suns avoid the pick and roll with him. Just imagine.
I agree -- he'd be a perfect fit -- but he's making 15 mils/year, so that would be hard to work out. Also I don't know if Suns would want to trade in conference (or would the Warriors). He would be a great fit though. Man, he'd be an awesome undersized PF: Baron JRich Jax Marion Biedrins That fast break would be fun to watch. But this team just doesn't have many good trade packages, assuming they want to hold onto Monta/Beans. Now, they could do something like JRich/Foyle for Marion (Trade Machine) but for one, I'd be reluctant to trade JRich, and two Suns would be reluctant to take Foyle! Plus, I think JRich's salary is now modest -- it goes up 1 mils per year, topping out at 14 mils in four seasons from now -- so if he continues to improve, he'll be a bargain. If that went through, though, then: Baron Monta Jax Marion Beans That's pretty crazy too, or you can interchange Harrington in there, or even go big with: Baron Monta Marion Harrington Beans He would be awesome on this team, you're right!
Numerically it seems like Marion would be a good fit, but I'm not sold on it. It's important to remember how much chemisty counts on this team. Even if Marion turned out to be the ideal teammate, subtracting Richardson from this team would likely cause dischord in the locker room. Furthermore, I've frequently read that Marion is somewhat volatile, and that he gets easily frustrated when people don't give him enough credit or view Nash as the team's leader. That would certainly continue if he came here, cause Baron is clearly the man. I think for chemistry purposes, the most sensible option is to try and strike it rich in the draft. Both Nelson and Mullin are known as good talent evaluators, and Mullin proved with Biedrins that he can scout foregin players.
<div class="quote_poster">Montaman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Numerically it seems like Marion would be a good fit, but I'm not sold on it. It's important to remember how much chemisty counts on this team. Even if Marion turned out to be the ideal teammate, subtracting Richardson from this team would likely cause dischord in the locker room. Furthermore, I've frequently read that Marion is somewhat volatile, and that he gets easily frustrated when people don't give him enough credit or view Nash as the team's leader. That would certainly continue if he came here, cause Baron is clearly the man. I think for chemistry purposes, the most sensible option is to try and strike it rich in the draft. Both Nelson and Mullin are known as good talent evaluators, and Mullin proved with Biedrins that he can scout foregin players.</div> Sorry, I totally diagree and I think that's a disastrous plan. You're going to depend on the 18th pick in the draft to hopefully turn into a starter? Ugh, not good man. I think your take on Jason Richardson and Marion is actually the opposite, Phoenix wouldn't make that trade while Golden State absolutely would. I would do it in a SECOND and so would Don Nelson and probably Chris Mullin.
I don't necessarily think that the Warriors need a new starter, at least not if Don Nelson returns. I think they need a motivated backup 4 or 5 who can play on the court with Biedrins when they need rebounds or interior defense. I think it would be an overreaction to break up what's gotten us to this point. Dealing Richardson for Marion is essentially trading a strength for a strength. If you're throwing in a draft pick, you're ignoring the possibility of a potential star to come from the foreign ranks (specifically thinking of Tiago Splitter or the new Gasol). Honestly, if I were to try and make a trade, I'd try to ship off some spare parts, maybe a 2nd round pick to get a young, reliable backup point (Steve Blake at the top of the wish list). With Monta getting SG minutes in our small lineup, and our losses to Utah all clearly pinned on Baron's exhaustion in the 4th, we need to get a smart, quick guard who can push the tempo and keepour offense clicking.
There's a rumor the Suns will send Marion to Minnesota along with two 2007 draft picks and either Diaw or Barbosa for Kevin Garnett.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There's a rumor the Suns will send Marion to Minnesota along with two 2007 draft picks and either Diaw or Barbosa for Kevin Garnett.</div> Wow! That is intense... KG on the Suns... I'm not so sure that's a great deal for the Suns -- Barbosa and Diaw are both major contributors, losing either one would be a blow, along with the Matrix -- plus two draft picks! Wonder what picks they would be --- Minny would be getting terrific value, much better than what they could get from GS, IMO (assuming we don't part with Beans/Monta).
<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wow! That is intense... KG on the Suns... I'm not so sure that's a great deal for the Suns -- Barbosa and Diaw are both major contributors, losing either one would be a blow, along with the Matrix -- plus two draft picks! Wonder what picks they would be --- Minny would be getting terrific value, much better than what they could get from GS, IMO (assuming we don't part with Beans/Monta).</div> I am assuming you are being sarcastic... Nash/Bell/Marion/Amare/KG...that scares me big time. Since Phoenix's picks will be end of first round picks after this trade, Diaw is decent, but not that great, and Barbosa has nice skills, and all for KG??? WOW! That is one good rumor deal for Phoenix. Idk, but does Phoenix have a lottery pick from Atlanta? Perhaps that pick if Phoenix gets it, is what Minnesota wants. On a side note, I am bummed the Warriors AND Suns lost. Who wants to watch a Jazz/Spurs series? hah.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There's a rumor the Suns will send Marion to Minnesota along with two 2007 draft picks and either Diaw or Barbosa for Kevin Garnett.</div> I haven't heard of that rumor but I absolutely believe it could happen this offseason.
J-Rich to the Suns for Marion could work. Because this way Monta could get a chance to devolp and get better a starter.
<div class="quote_poster">Clif25 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I am assuming you are being sarcastic... Nash/Bell/Marion/Amare/KG...that scares me big time. Since Phoenix's picks will be end of first round picks after this trade, Diaw is decent, but not that great, and Barbosa has nice skills, and all for KG??? WOW! That is one good rumor deal for Phoenix. Idk, but does Phoenix have a lottery pick from Atlanta? Perhaps that pick if Phoenix gets it, is what Minnesota wants. On a side note, I am bummed the Warriors AND Suns lost. Who wants to watch a Jazz/Spurs series? hah.</div> I wasn't being sarcastic at all -- I think KG on the Suns would be scary edit: Oh, do you mean how I don't know if it's a "great" deal for the Suns? No, I really do question that. I mean, look at the Suns in the POs -- Barbosa is an MVP type team-player for them at times -- instant offense -- and Diaw is a also a really good glue guy who can do so many things. They're no KG, of course! But when you add one of those two very nice players, with a star player in Marion, and then add 2 picks, and consider that those guys are relatively young, while KG may be winding down in a few years (he's 30 I think right now), it starts to look interesting. If the Suns do it, they're going to have to change their offensive style to orient around KG. I mean, he'll be awesome on their team, but it will be a different style for Nash without the Matrix and, say, Barbosa both running the break with him. Also, to Amare and KG play side by side? It would slow down the fast-pace tempo, but it would still be awesome. Tough to call, though, IMO. Suns have a good thing going with Matrix/Diaw/Barbosa, and if they draft right those two picks could help them reach the finals next time around....
<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I wasn't being sarcastic at all -- I think KG on the Suns would be scary edit: Oh, do you mean how I don't know if it's a "great" deal for the Suns? No, I really do question that. I mean, look at the Suns in the POs -- Barbosa is an MVP type team-player for them at times -- instant offense -- and Diaw is a also a really good glue guy who can do so many things. They're no KG, of course! But when you add one of those two very nice players, with a star player in Marion, and then add 2 picks, and consider that those guys are relatively young, while KG may be winding down in a few years (he's 30 I think right now), it starts to look interesting. If the Suns do it, they're going to have to change their offensive style to orient around KG. I mean, he'll be awesome on their team, but it will be a different style for Nash without the Matrix and, say, Barbosa both running the break with him. Also, to Amare and KG play side by side? It would slow down the fast-pace tempo, but it would still be awesome. Tough to call, though, IMO. Suns have a good thing going with Matrix/Diaw/Barbosa, and if they draft right those two picks could help them reach the finals next time around....</div> Yes, I see you have a good point, a better one than I first thought of (due to my bad reading comprehension since I forgot Marion was part of the deal, hah). But if you get Nash, KG, and Amare on the same team, you're going to get a lot of players who will want to join that team as free agents, and probably even sign for a cheap contract, a la Gary Payton and Karl Malone for the Lakers that one season (also they've had a history of getting players from the free agent market or players that teams wanted to dispense and turn them into great players, which is something they'd still be able to do, though maybe Contangelo had something to do with that, and he's not there now...). You are right in that losing Barbosa would hurt. I really don't think Nash and KG are great at creating their own shot, which is where Barbosa comes in. Also I think getting KG would be an easy transition for the rest of the team to get adjusted to. He is very unselfish, does his work well rebounding and defensively, and can fit in ok offensively (though one of his downsides has been the inability to always create his own shot, especially down the stretch in important games) as he is a strong ball handler. The Suns would probably need to transition more to the style of basketball the Kings played with a little more passing from the post (from KG). Also the workout regime KG would have this summer if he knew he were going to play with Phoenix would be scary. He'd definitley be a beast next season. If Phoenix were able to get a Stephen Jackson type SF to go along with Nash, Bell, KG, and Amare, they'd be awesome. Though I have ruined the path of this thread a bunch already, I think Shawn Marion would be an upgrade to Al Harrington. It would be fun to see Marion/Biedrins in the front court. I just don't like his contract, and he's also a player that isn't great at creating his own shot or much for others; which isn't so bad if you have Baron being the Boss. I don't know how a deal would workout where Phoenix would be happy, unless if it were JRich and Harrington, which makes me not want that deal to happen.
<div class="quote_poster">Clif25 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">But if you get Nash, KG, and Amare on the same team, you're going to get a lot of players who will want to join that team as free agents, and probably even sign for a cheap contract, a la Gary Payton and Karl Malone for the Lakers that one season </div> Great point there -- they'd be the talk of the town! It's scary to think a team like Phoenix could make a legitamte trade for superstar KG and still be able to hang onto their two superstars Nash and Amare. I mean, that would be the only team to have 3 legit superstars on one roster - Nash, Amare, KG -- scary. And yeah, JAX would be great for them at SF -- just like Tim Thomas -- with toughness and dirty work and spot-up three. I just don't think GS can compete in the superstar trade market -- what could we give Minny to build around, without losing Monta/Beans... If Minny is giving up their franchise superstar, they're going to need a foundation player to build around... We don't have one to give. I think Gasol is more realistic, because Memphis has some pieces and Gasol isn't "franchise" centerpiece as much as KG is -- I think a JRich/Harrington package would get it done, but I don't want to part with JRich, either! I guess you have to give up something to get something, but I want the best of both worlds! FOYLE/SARUNAS for GASOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What about someone more realistic like Chris Wilcox? He won't cost an arm and a leg. Probably Cabbages/Perovic and the pick gets it done. I like his game. He's got some skills, great body, pretty good rebounder, very good finisher around the basket, can defend centers. That guy has DESTROYED Murphy over the years but that's not saying much. He averaged about 13 and 8 this year and he's only 24, can't hurt...
Well, I do think Marion is paid quite a bit, but he's been pretty great playing small ball. Besides if I moan about his contract, then well... Paul Pierce probably ain't a good idea either. I like the fact the Matrix can hit his free throws for a guy packing such an ugly shot. Will we wind up like Phoenix though and we have to shed some contracts to surround our franchise player with? There's a budget we have to make work or else there's no room to improve down the line unless we can move contracts or sign some impact free agents or our own rookies. Foyle is really making this hard, I think... Sjax is probably the only guy right now who gives you great price for performance. And if Jrich returns to regular season form, he'll be worth it too IMO unless he starts choking at free throws like he has been this year. I figure Jrich should also start providing more impact like Corey Maggette does when he gets his team in the penalty bonus.
What do you guys think about trying to get a guy like Artest. We were rumored to be going after him earlier and now, I think he would come a lot cheaper and fit in well, at least on the court. He can play the 4 like Barnes or Peitrus did, doesn't make much, and Sacramento is dying to get rid of him (at least that's what they say on the radio). They might even take a sign and trade Pietrus for him.
