Lebron's Unnatural Basketball Act like Kobe's...

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  1. Legacy

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    Damn, that was rough of Lebron what he did to that lady.

    But I agree that this is bull, when Kobe elbows a player he gets suspended. But when the King elbows a player, no one seems to care. I blame Stu Jackson and his hate for Kobe Bryant and the Lakers.
     
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    Brian, I don't think he was questioning your Lakers knowledge, I think he was questioning your bias. It's common for a person to be biased when discussing their favorite team (I can be biased when talking about the Magic). I think he feels that if LeBron had been suspended first and Kobe got away with it, I think it would different. You would most likely be defending him because hey, it's Kobe, of course you're going to back your favorite team's star up. With that said, I think this is ridiculous and I don't feel you are being biased. The NBA is defending LeBron from all of this stuff and that was a cheap move he pulled by throwing the ball at that lady too. I've heard some bad stories about LeBron and I think he deserved a suspension.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Swish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Brian, I don't think he was questioning your Lakers knowledge, I think he was questioning your bias. It's common for a person to be biased when discussing their favorite team (I can be biased when talking about the Magic). I think he feels that if LeBron had been suspended first and Kobe got away with it, I think it would different. You would most likely be defending him because hey, it's Kobe, of course you're going to back your favorite team's star up. With that said, I think this is ridiculous and I don't feel you are being biased. The NBA is defending LeBron from all of this stuff and that was a cheap move he pulled by throwing the ball at that lady too. I've heard some bad stories about LeBron and I think he deserved a suspension.</div>

    Well, I didn't mean to sound rude or anything, I was basically saying that if I am able to watch more Laker games, then I should have a better understanding of what is going on. But yes, I get your point. I don't think I was using any bias in my post, I'm sure if you ask someone who watches a substantial amount of Laker games, you'll find the same answer. But anyways, if I sounded rude, I apologize.
     
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    So a non-Laker fan has to pin point Lebron's "classy" actions. C'mon now.. It's not bias to point out the obvious.
     
  5. Shapecity

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    I don't think LeBron threw the ball at the woman. He put some back spin on it and faked her out (and a lot of you too) LOL.
     
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    wow ... i really dont know how anybody can defend the double standard there. I hope Stu Jackson suspends him .. not because Im spiteful towards lebron, but because since its lebron and it is playoff time, it will cause an uproar ... an uproar that will hopefullly stop this non-sense ..
     
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    I wasn't saying that because he's a Lakers fan his opinion on LeBron isn't valid. I only mentioned that in the context of whether or not Kobe gets phantom calls.
     
  8. 1kobe2gasol3bynum4odom

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    <div class="quote_poster">Montaman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I wasn't saying that because he's a Lakers fan his opinion on LeBron isn't valid. I only mentioned that in the context of whether or not Kobe gets phantom calls.</div>
    I call it bull****. So if a lakers fan say anything outside of the Lakers' realm, he/she is consider a bias person? [​IMG] Let me tell you what, I love Kobe and all but I admit, Kobe plays DIRTY. Yes Kobe is a dirty player! But I can understand why Kobe plays that way. It is because of his competitiveness, he wants to win at all cause. It doesn't matter as long as he gets the W.

    And this golden child Lebron is a complete bull****. It is clearly a double standard, admit the ****** truth. There is no shame in admitting.
     
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    [​IMG] If LeBron gets suspended then all the ratings would go down. Duh...
     
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    There's no offense meant to be taken in what I said. The bias remark isn't me attacking anyone. In fact, I acknowledged in my comment that I myself am biased, and therefore in a situation where it's a very close call, my instincts, even if only subconsciously, are going to sway my perception of the events in question.

    Basically, I meant that myself, a fan of another pacific division team who sees his fair share of Kobe, and a Lakers fan who's team is built around Kobe, will both have certain biases that, for the purposes of evaluating every foul call over the course of a game, could be detrimental. In that situation, you want somebody making the decision who has both an impartial mindset, and who doesn't watch the teams in question enough to have a rooting sympathy one way or the other.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">kobe4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I call it bull****. So if a lakers fan say anything outside of the Lakers' realm, he/she is consider a bias person? [​IMG] Let me tell you what, I love Kobe and all but I admit, Kobe plays DIRTY. Yes Kobe is a dirty player! But I can understand why Kobe plays that way. It is because of his competitiveness, he wants to win at all cause. It doesn't matter as long as he gets the W.

    And this golden child Lebron is a complete bull****. It is clearly a double standard, admit the ****** truth. There is no shame in admitting.</div>

    I have no problem with your opinion, but let me get this straight. Bruce Bowen isn't a dirty player, but Kobe is? I fail to see the logic, please explain
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I have no problem with your opinion, but let me get this straight. Bruce Bowen isn't a dirty player, but Kobe is? I fail to see the logic, please explain</div>
    Don't forget the Mike Miller incident...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">kobe4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Don't forget the Mike Miller incident...</div>

    Didn't Kobe elbow Miller in a retaliation? Either way though, pointing out one incident does not make Kobe a dirty player, especially if you don't consider Bruce Bowen a dirty player...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Brian Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Didn't Kobe elbow Miller in a retaliation? Either way though, pointing out one incident does not make Kobe a dirty player, especially if you don't consider Bruce Bowen a dirty player...</div>
    There is a slight different. What Kobe did had nothing to do with basketball, just like how Raja Bell clothesline Kobe. What Bruce did and arguably had something to do with basketball. Putting his foot under shooters, tripping players, and all those. At least, he did it to send a message to slow down his opponent.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">kobe4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There is a slight different. What Kobe did had nothing to do with basketball, just like how Raja Bell clothesline Kobe. What Bruce did and arguably had something to do with basketball. Putting his foot under shooters, tripping players, and all those. At least, he did it to send a message to slow down his opponent.</div>

    Wow... Tripping players to slow them down. That dosen't seem dirty at all.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">kobe4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There is a slight different. What Kobe did had nothing to do with basketball, just like how Raja Bell clothesline Kobe. What Bruce did and arguably had something to do with basketball. Putting his foot under shooters, tripping players, and all those. At least, he did it to send a message to slow down his opponent.</div>

    You're right, tripping someone does send a message, it says "I'm a dirty player."

    What Kobe did to Miller was idiotic and I felt he should have been suspended even more games, especially after his post-game comments. I understand why he retaliated, but I didn't agree with the way he fouled Miller. If he gave Mike an elbow back to the chest, that would have been justified. What was ironic about the incident, is the fact Kobe and Miller are actually good friends.

    A lot of players do throw elbows and try to intimidate their opponent. The problem I have with Bowen is he does these things, and then acts like the victim afterwards. Just man up to your actions and admit you crossed the line.
     
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    Hey Kobe4life.

    Check this out.

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">AUBURN HILLS, MICH. - Forget about all the focus on LeBron James and his decision to pass at the end of Game 1. It turns out that the Cavaliers were fortunate that he was even playing in the fourth quarter. According to the rules, James should've been ejected late in the third quarter.

    The NBA made no official announcement, but a league official confirmed Thursday that after a video review, NBA Senior Vice President Stu Jackson charged James with a flagrant foul-penalty 2 on a play with 1:20 left in the third quarter Monday night. Had it been called at the time, James would have been ejected.

    There was no fine announced, but the usual for flagrant-2 is $5,000. Jackson could've suspended James for Game 2, but decided against it.

    As James was following through on a jump shot, he elbowed Detroit Pistons center Chris Webber in the head with his right arm. Webber crashed to the floor. There was no foul called by the three game officials.

    The maneuver was almost exactly the same as the two elbows Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant was suspended for during the season. As Bryant was falling after releasing jump shots on both occasions, he swiped at Manu Ginobili of the San Antonio Spurs and Marko Jaric of the Minnesota Timberwolves. He was suspended after each, with the NBA calling it ``an unnatural basketball act.''

    Webber said he didn't feel James intended to hurt him on the play.

    ``I had jumped up there with him, and we made contact,'' Webber said before Game 2. ``I didn't think he did it on purpose.''

    Though there was some chatter about the play on Internet sites and a clip was posted on YouTube, there was almost no media scrutiny of the play. Instead, all were reviewing James' decision to pass to Donyell Marshall with five seconds left.

    Had the clip been replayed as often as Bryant's elbows, especially the one against Jaric after his first suspension, the NBA might have felt pressure to issue the same penalty.</div>

    http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/17276170.htm

    this is BS
     
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    You know what's interesting about the article, it's from an Ohio newspaper, and not from LA. I agree with the writer, it's the media pressure and "perception" the league is trying to control, instead enforcing their own rules consistently.

    If ESPN, Fox sports, and CNN all show Kobe's clip 100 times and you have 30 writers all talking about it, then the NBA is going to take action. For LeBron, the media didn't give it anywhere close to the same coverage so the NBA didn't feel it needed to investigate any further.

    Similar to the Spurs and Suns series. There was no mention of Tim Duncan leaving the bench, until the Suns sent in the video clip and complained. The media didn't run with the story the same way it ran with Amare and Diaw leaving the bench. Duncan gets off, and Amare/Diaw get suspended.
     
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    Congrats to David Stern and Stu Jackson. The NBA is turning into a joke, and more and more people are starting to get aware. Ever since Stern tried to "clean up" the league's image, there has not been one positive thing he's brought into the game.
     

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