http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writ...0723/index.html Look at this bozo questioning whether or not Brett Favre is a shoo in as a first ballot hall of famer. He says that Emmitt Smith and Deion Sanders are the only "shoo ins" that he can think of off the top of his head and then goes on to raise questions about Favre. Oh, man... Time to check this guy into the loony bin. Edit: It gets even better! Dr. Z is more sold on Carson Palmer's potential as a hall of famer than on Ben Roethlisberger's! Hah hah hah hah You're killing me!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writ...0723/index.html Look at this bozo questioning whether or not Brett Favre is a shoo in as a first ballot hall of famer. He says that Emmitt Smith and Deion Sanders are the only "shoo ins" that he can think of off the top of his head and then goes on to raise questions about Favre. Oh, man... Time to check this guy into the loony bin. Edit: It gets even better! Dr. Z is more sold on Carson Palmer's potential as a hall of famer than on Ben Roethlisberger's! Hah hah hah hah You're killing me!</div> I am sure farve has made enough deals to get the votes! Palmer is a more likely HOFer than roth IMO. Palmer will put up huge #s, roth isnt going to do that in pittsbburgh.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Palmer will put up huge #s, roth isnt going to do that in pittsbburgh.</div> He's comparing a guy with one good season and a major knee injury to a QB who's gone 27-3 in his first 30 career starts and is the youngest QB to ever win a Superbowl. Put down the crack pipe and take two steps back.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Palmer will put up huge #s, roth isnt going to do that in pittsbburgh.</div> He's comparing a guy with one good season and a major knee injury to a QB who's gone 27-3 in his first 30 career starts and is the youngest QB to ever win a Superbowl. Put down the crack pipe and take two steps back.</div> He is comparing one QB who has 50 tds and 30 picks to one that has 34td and 20 picks. Take a step back, and realize that it isnt exactly Roth is so much greater by throwing for less yards, TDS, and having higher INT % just because he was on great team that won super bowl.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MKIV_Supra)</div><div class='quotemain'>I thought Dr. Z was the guy who was on the Chevy commericals...</div> No. That's Chrysler/Dodge you are thinking of. CNNSI dot com has little if any credibility IMO. Further, Favre <u> is</u> a 1st ballot Hall of famer. The good doctor is trying to stir up contrversy. It's silly to debate whether Palmer or B-roth will make the HOF at this time IMO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dr. Z is guilty of malpractice. Whether it is due to senility, temporary insanity or being mean-spirited isn't clear. What is clear is Dr. Z's better days are behind him. Sports Illustrated's Paul Zimmerman, aka Dr. Z, has been opining about the National Football League for the once-great magazine since 1979. To say Zimmerman has lost something is being polite. To say SI's credibility took a hit with Dr. Z's most recent rambling is being honest.</div> http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../608070420/1989 Packers writer, Havel fires back though.
I tried to find an e-mail address for Dr. Z so I could call him an idiot, but was unsuccessful. Lucky him...
I feel sorry that he's just thrown all his credibility out the door. Isn't he the same guy that said on Marino's draft day that it was a terrible pick. It's all making sense now
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>I tried to find an e-mail address for Dr. Z so I could call him an idiot, but was unsuccessful. Lucky him...</div> Just a suggestion. Get his first name and sebd any correspondence to hin c/o Time Warner Communications in NYC. I know TW has a big building so the address s/b easy to find.
I think we need to make sure the forum coffee pots are supplied with decaf for awhile. I'm no Dr. Z fan, but I'm not sure what has gotten everyone so worked up. Zimmerman just pointed out that another bad year for Favre could damage his chances of going in as a FIRST BALLOT Hall of Famer. I'm not sure it would, but, where the Hall of Fame is concerned, anything is possible. Aren't we always fussing about guys that should be in, but aren't like Art Monk? Before Jerry Rice passed him, Art Monk caught more footballs than any other player in NFL history and he's not in. So, why is it so impossible to believe that Favre's stock could slip with another bad year. Zimmerman didn't say he would never make it, just that he might not make it on the first ballot with another bad year. In fact, Zimmerman said that he would vote for Favre. Zimmerman said that he liked both Rothlisberger and Palmer, but pointed out that both are babies. He's right. It's just absurd to be arguing over which QB is better or who's chances of making the Hall is better at this point. If Palmer's career had ended last January or if Rothlisberger had been crippled or killed in that motorcycle incident, neither one would be making the Hall. They haven't come close to earning it yet. If you don't believe me, ask Terrell Davis. Personally, they are pretty close to even ground in my book. Big Ben has a better won-loss record, but it is on a ground driven team that was already a Championship contending team. You only need to look at Ben's Super Bowl stat line to realize that the Steelers' Super Bowl win was a true team effort. Big Ben didn't have his A game last Super Bowl Sunday. Carson Palmer impressed me last year, but now he has to show me that he can do that on a year by year basis.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So, why is it so impossible to believe that Favre's stock could slip with another bad year. Zimmerman didn't say he would never make it, just that he might not make it on the first ballot with another bad year.</div> Is Dr. Z forgetting about Emmitt Smith playing for the Cardinals? Is Dr. Z forgetting about Deion's last year and his later "comeback" with the Ravens? Didn't seem to hurt their stock in anyone else's eyes... If Favre wants to spend the next five years in the NFL as a journeyman gun for hire backup it wouldn't (or shouldn't) tarnish his first ballot hall of fame status. We're talking about a guy who is: - Top Five In NFL History In Career Passing Yards, Passing Attempts, Completions, Touchdown Passes, Career Wins, and Consecutive Games With A Touchdown Pass (2nd in yards, attempts, completions and TD passes) - NFL's ONLY 3 Time NFL Most Valuable Player (1995, 1996, 1997) - Eight Pro Bowls (Should be ten if not for the bias towards Michael Vick) - Superbowl Champion (Something Marino never did) - NFC Champion (1997, 1998) - 12 Straight 8+ Win Seasons (NFL Record) - 10 Playoff Appearances In 14 Seasons - Three NFC Central and Three NFC North Division Titles - 211 Consecutive Starts...236 Including Playoffs (NFL QB Record...Fourth On All Time List) - 20+ TD Passes In 12 Consecutive Seasons (NFL Record) - 30+ TD Passes 8 Times In His Career (NFL Record) - Led League In TD Passes 4 Times (Ties NFL Record) - Owns Packers Team Records For Games Played, Career Passing Yards, Career Passes Attempted, Career Completions and Career Touchdown Passes - Record For Most Consecutive Postseason Games With A Touchdown Pass (16) This says nothing about the fact that even with an average year this year, Favre will surpass Marino's records for TD passes and completions...and possibly attempts. If the Packers win 8 or 9 games this year, he will tie for 2nd or 1st on the all time wins list with Marino or Elway. He's already surpassed all of Steve Young and John Elway's meaningful records (besides Elway's wins) and both Steve (undeservedly) and John (WELL deservedly) were first ballot hall of famers. Whew...NOW...with all that said, I realize that it's Dr. Z's job to start controversies, get people talking and bump up his readership. But there is no one who is going to be Hall of Fame eligible the year that Favre is that would bump him off of the ballot. So to suggest otherwise is still asinine...
Sure didn't hurt Warren Moon and his last few years weren't stellar. I believe he just got in on his first ballot.
First, Warren Moon didn't close his career in a blaze of glory, but he wasn't starting so he wasn't on the field doing things to make himself look bad. If Favre throws up another 30 interceptions this year, it will hurt his image. PA, I understand how you feel about Favre, but don't you think the Hall of Fame voters have screwed other players? I'm not so sure what makes Favre bulletproof. We're not talking about not making the Hall, just screwing up Favre's first ballot entry.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>PA, I understand how you feel about Favre, but don't you think the Hall of Fame voters have screwed other players? I'm not so sure what makes Favre bulletproof. We're not talking about not making the Hall, just screwing up Favre's first ballot entry.</div> True, true... The fact that Art Monk isn't in the Hall of Fame, yet everyone is talking about Michael Irvin, gives the SLIGHTEST creedence to this argument. I guess anything is possible when you give sports writers the chance to vote on something. Here's hoping that Favre has a good year and we don't have to have this discussion again in six months. Heh
Dr. Z is an idiot...why? Not based on Favre's merit, but because the media kisses Favre's arse like no other. Favre will be a first ballot HOFer and they will still rave about his arm strength.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Dr. Z is an idiot...why? Not based on Favre's merit, but because the media kisses Favre's arse like no other. Favre will be a first ballot HOFer and they will still rave about his arm strength.</div> This may be the best point made in this thread. As great as Favre is, he is a media darling and it's hard to imagine what it would take to change that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Dr. Z is an idiot...why? Not based on Favre's merit, but because the media kisses Favre's arse like no other. Favre will be a first ballot HOFer and they will still rave about his arm strength.</div> This may be the best point made in this thread. As great as Favre is, he is a media darling and it's hard to imagine what it would take to change that.</div> Shut the front door! The pucker factor may be high for Favre but its off the charts for Mike Vick & T. Brady. Deal or not, Brett would never whine that his team wasn't getting any respect like Brady last year about this time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>Deal or not, Brett would never whine that his team wasn't getting any respect like Brady last year about this time.</div> But he will make bold predictions about working with the most talented team EVER! :thumbsup:
