<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>Deal or not, Brett would never whine that his team wasn't getting any respect like Brady last year about this time.</div> But he will make bold predictions about working with the most talented team EVER! :thumbsup:</div> Well he said it's the most talented team he's ever been a part of, not the most talented team ever.
If you just look at pure atheletes GB probably does have one of their best teams, but that's talking about guys like Jennings and Hawak who are overly talented but have a way to reach potential. That's what always shows Favre's greatness to me is when you look at how many Pro Bowl WR's and RB's he has played with. He got Sterling his early year but after that he was always leading a mediocre team who he lead to victory. It's not like he put up those #'s with Rice at wideout or Emmit in the backfield. Brett Antonio and Levens won't exactly be remembered as the triplets
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FLORIDA PACKER)</div><div class='quotemain'>What about Schroader he was just as good as Jerry </div> Jerry who? Seinfeld? LOL Funny thing is he actually made Bill look pretty good. As soon as Bill left he never has been heard of again
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CanadianFavreFan)</div><div class='quotemain'>If you just look at pure atheletes GB probably does have one of their best teams, but that's talking about guys like Jennings and Hawak who are overly talented but have a way to reach potential. That's what always shows Favre's greatness to me is when you look at how many Pro Bowl WR's and RB's he has played with. He got Sterling his early year but after that he was always leading a mediocre team who he lead to victory. It's not like he put up those #'s with Rice at wideout or Emmit in the backfield. Brett Antonio and Levens won't exactly be remembered as the triplets</div> Edgar Bennett, Dorsey Levens and Ahman Green have given Brett some good rushing years, so don't pretend that you haven't had any rushing. Edit - Before last year, Ahman Green gave the Packers 5 straight 1,000+ rushing years. Last year, Green got hurt and Favre threw 29 interceptions and the Pack went 4-12, so what was the point again?
Favre is a 1st ballot HOF'er....hes the NFL's career leader in back alley deals and the most prolific saboteur of league integrity in history....how can you not be a 1st ballot guy with those records?
Exactly my point lol Last I heard of ole Bill he was burried on the Bucs depth chart about 2 years ago.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CanadianFavreFan)</div><div class='quotemain'>If you just look at pure atheletes GB probably does have one of their best teams, but that's talking about guys like Jennings and Hawak who are overly talented but have a way to reach potential. That's what always shows Favre's greatness to me is when you look at how many Pro Bowl WR's and RB's he has played with. He got Sterling his early year but after that he was always leading a mediocre team who he lead to victory. It's not like he put up those #'s with Rice at wideout or Emmit in the backfield. Brett Antonio and Levens won't exactly be remembered as the triplets</div> Edgar Bennett, Dorsey Levens and Ahman Green have given Brett some good rushing years, so don't pretend that you haven't had any rushing. Edit - Before last year, Ahman Green gave the Packers 5 straight 1,000+ rushing years. Last year, Green got hurt and Favre threw 29 interceptions and the Pack went 4-12, so what was the point again?</div> I'll admit Green's given him a lot of help recently. An off topic point though people need to get with the times. 1000 yards use to be a good barometer to go by but now any starter who plays 16 games will easy gain that. My opinion now is around 1500 is a good rushing season
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CanadianFavreFan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CanadianFavreFan)</div><div class='quotemain'>If you just look at pure atheletes GB probably does have one of their best teams, but that's talking about guys like Jennings and Hawak who are overly talented but have a way to reach potential. That's what always shows Favre's greatness to me is when you look at how many Pro Bowl WR's and RB's he has played with. He got Sterling his early year but after that he was always leading a mediocre team who he lead to victory. It's not like he put up those #'s with Rice at wideout or Emmit in the backfield. Brett Antonio and Levens won't exactly be remembered as the triplets</div> Edgar Bennett, Dorsey Levens and Ahman Green have given Brett some good rushing years, so don't pretend that you haven't had any rushing. Edit - Before last year, Ahman Green gave the Packers 5 straight 1,000+ rushing years. Last year, Green got hurt and Favre threw 29 interceptions and the Pack went 4-12, so what was the point again?</div> get with the times I'll admit Green's given him a lot of help recently. An off topic point though people need to get with the times. 1000 yards use to be a good barometer to go by but now any starter who plays 16 games will easy gain that. My opinion now is around 1500 is a good rushing season</div> If you go by ratio of 1000 yards when teams didnt give one back all the carries to nowadays when the do, 1333 would the standard.
Favre early in his career didn't have much of a running game. I believe, he didn't have a 1,000 yard rusher for the Super Bowl Team. Unless Bennett just eclipse the mark. If I had to guess, I think Bennett's best year was with the Bears when he had his short stay there. Edit: Once Levens emerged then the running game became very good. After Levens then Green came on. So the last few years have been solid outside of last season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>Favre early in his career didn't have much of a running game. I believe, he didn't have a 1,000 yard rusher for the Super Bowl Team. Unless Bennett just eclipse the mark. If I had to guess, I think Bennett's best year was with the Bears when he had his short stay there. Edit: Once Levens emerged then the running game became very good. After Levens then Green came on. So the last few years have been solid outside of last season.</div> Wasnt great, but they did throw a lot, and those swing passes are used as running game. But, despite that they avg about 17th in rushing last 7 years(excluding last years debacle) so he has no excuse of no running game.
No running game? Big Freaking Deal. You guys are so quick to point out how Favre is set to break all of Marino's records and all the things that Favre does better than Marino. Except for the 1,116 yards that Abdul Jabbar got in 1996, Marino didn't have any other 1,000 yard runners during his 17 year career. I wonder how much better Marino's numbers would have been if the defenses he was facing had to deal with a legit running threat as well. Yeah, I'm talking to Peyton Manning fans as well. If you take away the third of the touchdowns that Manning admitted that he got off of play action involving Edgerrin James, then Marino would still be your season touchdown record holder. However, my main point is that if your making an excuse for Favre because he didn't have the running game he's used to last year, I want you to realize that your just making an excuse. Favre needs to make like Larry the Cable Guy and "Git 'R Done."
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>However, my main point is that if your making an excuse for Favre because he didn't have the running game he's used to last year, I want you to realize that your just making an excuse.</div> Last year's poor performance had less to do with a lack of a running game and more to do with the Favre not having time to throw. And losing a Pro Bowl receiver in week one. And not having Bubba Franks for several games. And the fact that Robert Ferguson can't catch. I had no intention of turning this into a Favre vs. Marino thread. If that was my fault, I apologize. I'd much rather rip on Steve Young.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>No running game? Big Freaking Deal. You guys are so quick to point out how Favre is set to break all of Marino's records and all the things that Favre does better than Marino. Except for the 1,116 yards that Abdul Jabbar got in 1996, Marino didn't have any other 1,000 yard runners during his 17 year career. I wonder how much better Marino's numbers would have been if the defenses he was facing had to deal with a legit running threat as well. Yeah, I'm talking to Peyton Manning fans as well. If you take away the third of the touchdowns that Manning admitted that he got off of play action involving Edgerrin James, then Marino would still be your season touchdown record holder. However, my main point is that if your making an excuse for Favre because he didn't have the running game he's used to last year, I want you to realize that your just making an excuse. Favre needs to make like Larry the Cable Guy and "Git 'R Done."</div> Comparing Favre and Marino is like comparing steak and lobster. They're both good. Last year Favre played bad. He mentally doesn't have it like he used to. This year I think he'll play better. He'll still throw 17-20 INT's for sure but I think he can keep it in that range if he learns to be a better game manager. John Elway did that late in his career and won 2 Super Bowl's. Frankly I think he needs to play another year after this to break any of Marino's records. On a side note: I did bash Favre over on a packerforum for his INT's and pretty much said he needs to manage the game better and mentally get back into it. Long story short, I guess I'm a bad and very evil person for that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>Deal or not, Brett would never whine that his team wasn't getting any respect like Brady last year about this time.</div> But he will make bold predictions about working with the most talented team EVER! :thumbsup:</div> And he also spouted off against a player because they weren't in camp. Unlike Brady who is supporting his teammate's stand.
