Dual superstars + garbage bench= mediocre team Melo + Iverson = me yawning Bosh + Kobe - Bargs and TJ = Stupid trade
<div class="quote_poster">Gotrunks226 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You guys are ridiculously over-valuing Kobe. Remember he demanded a trade, so u can try to low ball the Lakers as much as possible.</div> Low ball? Are you serious? This isn't the Vince situation when he was coming back from injury, sulking on the bench and tanking the season. Kobe is the best player in the NBA. No matter what happens, his value is still through the roof and a lot of teams will be competing for him. He's arguably entering the prime of his career. If you're going to have any chance of getting him, you're going to have to put a nice package together for him. I don't really know what some of you guys are thinking. You want to get the best player in the NBA but you don't want to part with Bargs or Bosh? No way a deal goes through without either of those players being involved. The Lakers don't want our trash of Dixon, Rasho or Graham. For what he does, Rasho is highly overpaid, the only potentially attractive thing about him is his expiring contract.
As much as I love Bargnani, I wouldn't mind giving him up if it were for Kobe. Of cource Bargnani would be such a key piece in the future, but with Kobe we could contend now. A trade of Bargnani/Ford/Mo-pete/Rasho is along the lines I'm thinking of. Calderon IMO is good enough to be a starter, and we all saw that when Ford was injured. Parker would start at SF as usual and we could get a Center in the offseason.
<div class="quote_poster">Ford_11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> PG - Calderon SG - Bryant SF - Parker PF - Bosh C - Bargnani Bench - Garbo, Jackson, and some FA. Looks good to me, but to break up with Il Mago, I dunno if I could do it.</div> Can you say... "Contender"? anyways, i highly doubt L.A. would do a deal without Bargnani or Bosh involved.
Of course they won't. Also I heard that JO is gunna get traded to LA to make Kobe happy. I think they might give up Odom and some picks. Source
<div class="quote_poster">Iggy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Parker would start at SF as usual and we could get a Center in the offseason.</div> Parker started at SG last season no? Garbs/Graham/MoPete took turns starting at SF.
Bosh for Kobe seems okay but i doubt the Toranto Raptors are going to make that trade but I'm allowed to dream right.
<div class="quote_poster">lakersfan171 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Bosh for Kobe seems okay but i doubt the Toranto Raptors are going to make that trade but I'm allowed to dream right.</div> Can you say, NEVER EVER! This will never happen becuase Colangelo will not trade the face of the franchise for anything, unless it is another star with picks. Bosh is not going to be traded. Bosh for Kobe, I don't think would be a bad trade, necessarily, but I wouldn't for it, just becuase the Raptors are moving up and are coming into their own. Maybe after a 10 year dynasty with 6 Championships and 9 Finals appearances, we can talk Kobe for Bosh.
I would do a Bosh and fillers for Kobe trade. Upgrade our offense and upgrade our defense. When you can get arguably the best player in the game in the prime of his career, you do it.
<div class="quote_poster">Eclipse Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I would do a Bosh and fillers for Kobe trade. Upgrade our offense and upgrade our defense. When you can get arguably the best player in the game in the prime of his career, you do it.</div> See where you say prime, that is exactly it. His Prime is now, while Bosh's prime is yet to come, and I think when it does, the Raptors will have no problem going deep into the post season. I think, if a trade came up for Bosh and some bench for Kobe and some bench, Brian would really think about it. Because to get the best in the game for a young PF, is a hard decision to make. Especially when Bosh is so loved and is a double double guy, and the chemistry. So take that all into account. It is extremely unlikely Kobe will be traded. The Lakers will bring in guys, I'm sure of it. They will not trade him, because he doesn't want to leave. Kobe in Toronto though, without having to give up Bosh, would be so great. I'm sure Kobe wouldn't mind sharing the ball a little more then.
I would expect any team in the east with Kobe would have practically no problem going to the ECF. Even if we send bosh out to lala land we'd have improved our roster (short term at least). Long term we'd be taking a bit of a downgrade because bosh has more good years left.
Kobe still wants to be traded. After the first two interviews, he had another interview (the last), which he reiterated that he wants to be traded. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">When he spoke to The Times at 5:27 p.m., he reiterated his position from earlier in the morning. "Nothing's changed," Bryant said. "It's just a matter of I don't want to go no place else. I don't have much of a choice. When things like this go down, you just sit back. What can I do? It's like a broken record." When asked if he still wanted to be traded, he answered quickly and firmly: "Yes."</div> link: latimes I know the Lakers do not want to trade Kobe but they may not have a choice.
<div class="quote_poster">a13x Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I would expect any team in the east with Kobe would have practically no problem going to the ECF. Even if we send bosh out to lala land we'd have improved our roster (short term at least). Long term we'd be taking a bit of a downgrade because bosh has more good years left.</div> True, most teams in the East would have very little problems going to the ECF. However, while Kobe is good now, you made the correct point of saying that it is only short term. We know B.C. isn't playing the short term card here. He wants to build a Dynasty with core players for years to come. I say if you can trade anyone but Il Mago and CB4, do it. If you can keep those two guys, you can go all the way if you add Kobe. Can you imagine. Bargnani, Bosh, Kobe, Calderon, SF yet to be named.(possibly we keep Parker and that is where he plays.) It would be the most unstoppable team in the East, IMO. Kobe is hot with every team. Every GM hears the media and what they are saying and thinks, what to give up. Our core players for short term gain, when all Kobe wants is the players we are trading away. I highly doubt Kobe will go north of the boarder becuase I'm sure Colangelo isn't going to offer up Ford and Rasho and picks for Kobe. He might because after all he is EOY Brain Colangelo, but all in all. I say we add some free agents, picks, but to pull of Kobe would be a long shot, even for B.C. I have faith in him, I would love Kobe here, but all we can do is dream and wait.
Three things you need to keep in mind when constructing a potential trade that lands Kobe in Toronto: 1) I can almost BET MY LIFE that Colangelo will not trade for Kobe if it means sending Bosh the other way. 2) Mo Pete cannot be packaged in any potential Sign & Trade. He has to be traded alone in any S&T scenarios. 3) Both Bosh and Ford are BYC players. And while it's not impossible to trade them, it certainly makes things way more difficult.
I just read on Wikipedia that we had the second pick in the 1996 draft. We chose Marcus Camby. We could of had Ray Allen or Marbury or Nash or JO or..... KOBE BRYANT!
Well I think at the time we had ROY Damon Stoudemire, so getting another pg like Marbury or Nash (who at that time wasn't as good as Mighty Mouse) wouldn't have made sense. JO, Ray Allen or Kobe might have made sense, but I don't remember how good those players were at the time, and what our roster needs were. JO and Kobe were highschoolers, so that usually means that they were less ready than Camby.
Kobe was drafted 13, no one expected him to be as good as he is now. People thought he was too skinny, wouldn't last in the NBA, etc. Marcus Camby was the "safe" pick to make at #2, and he has become a solid player, just not with the Raptors. In hindsight, I think drafting someone like Ray Allen would have been great. Nash and Kobe were never expected to be hall-of-fame worthy so you can't blame the Raps for passing on them.
<div class="quote_poster">Master Shake Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I just read on Wikipedia that we had the second pick in the 1996 draft. We chose Marcus Camby. We could of had Ray Allen or Marbury or Nash or JO or..... KOBE BRYANT!</div> We actually won the lottery and had the first pick, but because of some idiotic condition that Bitove agreed to when bringing a team up here, we weren't allowed to have the first overall pick for a certain number of years. We could've had Iverson.
Not sure if I would have enjoyed watching Iverson here. He's a great player but frustrating to watch. Really difficult to build around him as he dominates the ball too much. Also, if we picked him, he would very well still be playing for us (difficult to trade because he is such a fan favourite) which means we would probably still be stuck in mediocrity just like the Sixers have been. Either that or it would end up like the Vince situation with him demanding a trade out of town. I wished we drafted Ray Allen. You could tell he was going to be a very good player if you watched him at UConn.
